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  • #21
The Mccaans will not be charged with anything . I have watched this case from the beginning and I never thought that they were involved in her death

The press in portugal and in the UK have been shocking .....mainly just making up whatever they wished - sadly it soon became forum facts and hence we all discussed it day in day out not just here but in forums all across the internet

Whatever happened to all the facts like the barn , the blood spray , the post mortem DNA , I even think that the two dogs were so hyped up that they turned into almost super dogs who could sort out the case alone

I think that the Portugese PJ have a lot that can be handed at their door - archaic secrecy laws in this modern age - they let this case drift in the wind and we had the crazy situation where the major suspects were all winning million dollar libel cases a year after - just mad

Sadly I dont know what happened to Maddy - I think she was probably taken - either in her room or outside . I dont think that her parents or the rest of the tapas had anththing to do with her death

I know that this view is not popular here - one of the reasons I stopped posting back in Feb it just got to much ya boo without any way to back up arguments

I hope that this forum will respect the results of the Portugese legal system - whatever it says . I will


Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't agree with yours. I do not believe that Madeleine was abducted nor that the Tapas crew were not involved in her death!
If it had been a straight forward kidnapping I think that we might have seen all of them singing from the same hymn sheet, in other words telling the truth, not spinning more & more lies every time they opened their mouths! Proof enough for me of something very wrong in this case!
 
  • #22
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't agree with yours. I do not believe that Madeleine was abducted nor that the Tapas crew were not involved in her death!
If it had been a straight forward kidnapping I think that we might have seen all of them singing from the same hymn sheet, in other words telling the truth, not spinning more & more lies every time they opened their mouths! Proof enough for me of something very wrong in this case!

so if on Monday the Portugese legal sytem - with all its expertise , DNA labs , access to all witnesses - clear the Mccaans - you will still think the same way ?
 
  • #23
The Mccaans will not be charged with anything . I have watched this case from the beginning and I never thought that they were involved in her death

The press in portugal and in the UK have been shocking .....mainly just making up whatever they wished - sadly it soon became forum facts and hence we all discussed it day in day out not just here but in forums all across the internet

Whatever happened to all the facts like the barn , the blood spray , the post mortem DNA , I even think that the two dogs were so hyped up that they turned into almost super dogs who could sort out the case alone

I think that the Portugese PJ have a lot that can be handed at their door - archaic secrecy laws in this modern age - they let this case drift in the wind and we had the crazy situation where the major suspects were all winning million dollar libel cases a year after - just mad

Sadly I dont know what happened to Maddy - I think she was probably taken - either in her room or outside . I dont think that her parents or the rest of the tapas had anththing to do with her death

I know that this view is not popular here - one of the reasons I stopped posting back in Feb it just got to much ya boo without any way to back up arguments

I hope that this forum will respect the results of the Portugese legal system - whatever it says . I will

REPLY: Very interesting, gord, especially so since it was you, wasn't it, that re-posted here Nigel's rather hostile questioning of The Madeleine Foundation? - to which I gave a lengthy reply a few days ago.

You wrote: "I even think that the two dogs were so hyped up that they turned into almost super dogs who could sort out the case alone". Hmmm, so why did the McCanns come up with that great long list of reasons why the death scent should be on Kate's clothes, Cuddle Cat, in the apartment, in the hired Renault Scenic? - and Madeleine's blood or body fluids in the apartment and in the car?

Maybe you've forgotten them?

Well, here's a reminder...

* I took Cuddle Cat to work with me
* I saw 6 dead bodies in my last fortnight at work
* Madeleine slipped on the steps of the plane and grazed her knee
* The children's ditry nappies were in the boot
* Gerry took rotting meat to the dump.

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You also mentioned "archaic secrecy laws in this modern age".

REPLY: Hmmm. No police force anywhere in the world discloses the secrets of an investigation until the suspects are charged. Look for example at the wide-ranging Freedom of Information Act 2000, but which contains a specific prohibition of disclosure of information from an ongoing police investigation. Archaic?

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You wrote: "Sadly I dont know what happened to Maddy - I think she was probably taken - either in her room or outside".

REPLY: Hmmm. According to the McCanns and Jane Tanner, this must have been accomplished between about 9.12pm and 9.14pm by a man who walked in through an unlocked patio door, then picked Madeleine up whilst putting Cuddle Cat 'on a high shelf or ledge', and leapt through the windows and shutters he'd specially opened from the inside, without leaving a forensic trace on the window sill where all the years-old lichen was left totally undisturbed. And even that's only after Jane Tanner had weeks of 'cognitive therapy' from an unnamed 'expert' who apparently managed to coax out of her, about 6 months after the event, a much better 'memory' of what she had seen that evening than she did immediately after. And that's not forgetting that the abductor might have been hiding behind a door, which was open at an angle of 60 degrees (it was only 45 degrees earlier), breathing noiselessly so that Gerry didn't hear him, while, on his last check, he was gazing down adoringly at his lovely daughter Madeleine thinking how lucky he was to have such a beautiful child...

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You wrote: "I hope that this forum will respect the results of the Portugese legal system..."

REPLY: There seems to be a flurry of triumphalist posts coming from the Team McCann camp tonight. Perhaps the McCanns' lawyers have been told the case will be 'archived', with no charges being pressed (for now).

In which case, there must be an inquest, so that all the evidence about her 'disappearance' may be aired in public.

It's no less than poor Madeleine deserves

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  • #24
daffodil wrote: "Great post gord and I totally agree with every word. Maybe years down the line the McCanns will be cleared like the Ramseys have been".

REPLY: The McCann-supporters have been conspicuously quiet on the forums today - but tonight there's a rash of them all over the Internet - all singing from the same hymn-sheet.

Has there been a Team McCann briefing session in progress today?

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REPLY: Very interesting, gord, especially so since it was you, wasn't it, that re-posted here Nigel's rather hostile questioning of The Madeleine Foundation? - to which I gave a lengthy reply a few days ago.

You wrote: "I even think that the two dogs were so hyped up that they turned into almost super dogs who could sort out the case alone". Hmmm, so why did the McCanns come up with that great long list of reasons why the death scent should be on Kate's clothes, Cuddle Cat, in the apartment, in the hired Renault Scenic? - and Madeleine's blood or body fluids in the apartment and in the car?

Maybe you've forgotten them?

Well, here's a reminder...

* I took Cuddle Cat to work with me
* I saw 6 dead bodies in my last fortnight at work
* Madeleine slipped on the steps of the plane and grazed her knee
* The children's ditry nappies were in the boot
* Gerry took rotting meat to the dump.

++++++++++

You also mentioned "archaic secrecy laws in this modern age".

REPLY: Hmmm. No police force anywhere in the world discloses the secrets of an investigation until the suspects are charged. Look for example at the wide-ranging Freedom of Information Act 2000, but which contains a specific prohibition of disclosure of information from an ongoing police investigation. Archaic?

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You wrote: "Sadly I dont know what happened to Maddy - I think she was probably taken - either in her room or outside".

REPLY: Hmmm. According to the McCanns and Jane Tanner, this must have been accomplished between about 9.12pm and 9.14pm by a man who walked in through an unlocked patio door, then picked Madeleine up whilst putting Cuddle Cat 'on a high shelf or ledge', and leapt through the windows and shutters he'd specially opened from the inside, without leaving a forensic trace on the window sill where all the years-old lichen was left totally undisturbed. And even that's only after Jane Tanner had weeks of 'cognitive therapy' from an unnamed 'expert' who apparently managed to coax out of her, about 6 months after the event, a much better 'memory' of what she had seen that evening than she did immediately after. And that's not forgetting that the abductor might have been hiding behind a door, which was open at an angle of 60 degrees (it was only 45 degrees earlier), breathing noiselessly so that Gerry didn't hear him, while, on his last check, he was gazing down adoringly at his lovely daughter Madeleine thinking how lucky he was to have such a beautiful child...

++++++++++

You wrote: "I hope that this forum will respect the results of the Portugese legal system..."

REPLY: There seems to be a flurry of triumphalist posts coming from the Team McCann camp tonight. Perhaps the McCanns' lawyers have been told the case will be 'archived', with no charges being pressed (for now).

In which case, there must be an inquest, so that all the evidence about her 'disappearance' may be aired in public.

It's no less than poor Madeleine deserves

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first of all my post was deleted from this forum by the mods - so I wont comment

secondly the days of arguing the minutae of what happened - who did what -who saw what - etc etc are over

This portugese will decide next week - after looking at all the evidence .
I
and in all due respect we must respect their decision
 
  • #26
The Mccaans will not be charged with anything . I have watched this case from the beginning and I never thought that they were involved in her death

The press in portugal and in the UK have been shocking .....mainly just making up whatever they wished - sadly it soon became forum facts and hence we all discussed it day in day out not just here but in forums all across the internet

Whatever happened to all the facts like the barn , the blood spray , the post mortem DNA , I even think that the two dogs were so hyped up that they turned into almost super dogs who could sort out the case alone

I think that the Portugese PJ have a lot that can be handed at their door - archaic secrecy laws in this modern age - they let this case drift in the wind and we had the crazy situation where the major suspects were all winning million dollar libel cases a year after - just mad

Sadly I dont know what happened to Maddy - I think she was probably taken - either in her room or outside . I dont think that her parents or the rest of the tapas had anththing to do with her death

I know that this view is not popular here - one of the reasons I stopped posting back in Feb it just got to much ya boo without any way to back up arguments

I hope that this forum will respect the results of the Portugese legal system - whatever it says . I will
Regardless of popular or not gord you are spot on IMO. :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
  • #27
Britain's 'Sun' newspaper, whose zeal for the truth is usually buried beneath 'how can we sell more papers?', carries the headline tomorrow:

'McCanns cleared'.

But I think the best they can hope for is 'case archived'.

Which is most definitely not 'cleared'

Published: 18 Jul 2008
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FOR all the ineptitude of the Portuguese police “hunting” Madeleine McCann, their most shameful act was the persecution of the little girl’s parents.
Agreed!!
A mum and dad are obvious targets for initial suspicion when a child goes missing. But in this case there was not one shred of evidence.
None!!
All the vicious leaks about DNA traces and alibis that didn’t add up were nonsense.
Agreed!!
The police had tunnel vision. They simply did not believe a child could be kidnapped on their patch and made Kate and Gerry "arguidos" because they had nothing else.
Absolutely!!
So, on top of the pain, longing and guilt they already endured, the McCanns had to live with the black mark of suspicion too.
Agreed!!
The lifting of their suspect status after ten months will be a merciful end to this particular chapter.
If it happens...which it should IMO.
But for them — if not for Portugal’s witless detectives — the story goes on.
UNQUOTE
For Madeleines sake I hope the focus returns back to the search for her.

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I hadn't seen this particular article...I agree that newspapers zeal for the truth is usually buried beneath 'how can we sell more papers?'

But apparently not this time. How refreshing to read the truth. IMO.
 
  • #28
first of all my post was deleted from this forum by the mods - so I wont comment

secondly the days of arguing the minutae of what happened - who did what -who saw what - etc etc are over

This portugese will decide next week - after looking at all the evidence .
I and in all due respect we must respect their decision

Gord - does this mean you will respect the Portugese decision if it is to charge and arrest the McCanns? I would agree that is highly unlikely, but you speak as if you know what the "solution" is? Did you get an early tip off from somewhere?

For me, I will never believe the McCanns were not responsible for the harm that befell their daughter. Not unless someone else is apprehended and linked to the case through DNA. Never, I dont' care who says what. Just don't care. In my opinion, the McCanns know exactly what happened to their daughter and where she is. And if I am right, I can only hope the good forces in nature will one day allow for the McCanns to tell the truth and allow that Maddie will be found.

One good thing about the end of the secrecy, will be the ability to get the real facts and not just the media hype. I'm looking forward to that.

Salem

PS - I have always respected the opinions of April, Daffodil and yourself. And honestly, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I just don't think I am and I have not been given any reason to think I am.......
 
  • #29
One good thing about the end of the secrecy, will be the ability to get the real facts and not just the media hype. I'm looking forward to that.

Salem

PS - I have always respected the opinions of April, Daffodil and yourself. And honestly, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I just don't think I am and I have not been given any reason to think I am.......
You have Salem. :blowkiss:

I hope you are right about the secrecy ending so we can hear all the facts including everyones statements.
 
  • #30
Gord - does this mean you will respect the Portugese decision if it is to charge and arrest the McCanns? I would agree that is highly unlikely, but you speak as if you know what the "solution" is? Did you get an early tip off from somewhere?

For me, I will never believe the McCanns were not responsible for the harm that befell their daughter. Not unless someone else is apprehended and linked to the case through DNA. Never, I dont' care who says what. Just don't care. In my opinion, the McCanns know exactly what happened to their daughter and where she is. And if I am right, I can only hope the good forces in nature will one day allow for the McCanns to tell the truth and allow that Maddie will be found.

One good thing about the end of the secrecy, will be the ability to get the real facts and not just the media hype. I'm looking forward to that.

Salem

PS - I have always respected the opinions of April, Daffodil and yourself. And honestly, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I just don't think I am and I have not been given any reason to think I am.......

I have always been consistent in that if the evidence shows that the Mccaans were involved in the death of madeline then of course I would accept it - The justice system is all we have in cases like this - you have to at the end of the day trust that they will do their job and find out as far as they say - the truth .

I dont realy know 100% what will be revealed next week - But all indications point to the Mccaans being cleared as arguidos .

Hey I could be wrong and they are all about to be charged . we will wait and see

I will respect the legal judgement - after all they have seen all the evidence , all the witness statements , - we have not.

I know that many will never believe that the Mccaans are innocent of Madelines demise - so be it .
 
  • #31
Salem: "One good thing about the end of the secrecy, will be the ability to get the real facts and not just the media hype. I'm looking forward to that".

REPLY: I fear you may be wrong. I think from what I have read that there may be disclosure to the McCanns and their legal advisers but NOT to the general public

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  • #32
daffodil wrote: "Great post gord and I totally agree with every word. Maybe years down the line the McCanns will be cleared like the Ramseys have been".

REPLY: The McCann-supporters have been conspicuously quiet on the forums today - but tonight there's a rash of them all over the Internet - all singing from the same hymn-sheet.

Has there been a Team McCann briefing session in progress today?

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EH? I dont post much here at all,I think its an aversion to lynch mobs.I cant speak for other forums,perhaps you should ask there.
 
  • #33
first of all my post was deleted from this forum by the mods - so I wont comment

secondly the days of arguing the minutae of what happened - who did what -who saw what - etc etc are over

This portugese will decide next week - after looking at all the evidence .
I
and in all due respect we must respect their decision


I will argue the minutiae of this case until the day I die. I don't have to respect the decision if I do not agree with it.

I am capable of making these decisions for myself...thank you very much.
 
  • #34
daffodil: "I dont post much here at all,I think its an aversion to lynch mobs"

REPLY: Hmmm, maybe the majority of posters on here simply don't buy a hoax, when a hoax comes up and biffs them on the nose

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  • #35
daffodil: "I dont post much here at all,I think its an aversion to lynch mobs"

REPLY: Hmmm, maybe the majority of posters on here simply don't buy a hoax, when a hoax comes up and biffs them on the nose

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Hmmm I'd like to see some hard,irrefutable LE released PROOF before I pass judgement.Until then I will continue to believe innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond reasonable doubt and not because some dont like Kates hair or Gerrys facial expressions :rolleyes:
 
  • #36
so if on Monday the Portugese legal sytem - with all its expertise , DNA labs , access to all witnesses - clear the Mccaans - you will still think the same way ?


I do not expect that the McCanns will be cleared. I suspect that they will not be prosecuted in connection with their daughter's death because of insufficient evidence, that is not being cleared!

I hope they will be charged with negligence for which there is definite proof!

I once again ask if innocent why the need for lies? One that cannot be disputed is that both parents publicly gave a different location for Cuddle Cat! If an incident happened & there was no need for a cover up why any lies? Something happens only one way so tell it as it is unless telling the truth will incriminate in some way!

I will not change my opinion that the McCann & Tapas group know what happened to Madeleine & were most probably involved!
 
  • #37
Salem: "One good thing about the end of the secrecy, will be the ability to get the real facts and not just the media hype. I'm looking forward to that".

REPLY: I fear you may be wrong. I think from what I have read that there may be disclosure to the McCanns and their legal advisers but NOT to the general public

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I think sadly you are right Tony!
 
  • #38
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't agree with yours. I do not believe that Madeleine was abducted nor that the Tapas crew were not involved in her death!
If it had been a straight forward kidnapping I think that we might have seen all of them singing from the same hymn sheet, in other words telling the truth, not spinning more & more lies every time they opened their mouths! Proof enough for me of something very wrong in this case!

I agree.

One lie is too many, one cover up is too many when your baby daughter is missing.

"It was 50 yards away, like dining in your garden" - LIE

McCanns have denied the Portuguese Law Enforcement permission to view their cellular phone records for the time period Madeleine went missing - Cover up (WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?)

Who will not cooperate completely with police when their child is missing??? If the McCann are innocent, their phone records would prove to police that no strange calls where made or received that night...but they guard them closely...WHY.

IMHO they are losers with a fan club...
 
  • #39
I do not expect that the McCanns will be cleared. I suspect that they will not be prosecuted in connection with their daughter's death because of insufficient evidence, that is not being cleared!

I hope they will be charged with negligence for which there is definite proof!

I once again ask if innocent why the need for lies? One that cannot be disputed is that both parents publicly gave a different location for Cuddle Cat! If an incident happened & there was no need for a cover up why any lies? Something happens only one way so tell it as it is unless telling the truth will incriminate in some way!

I will not change my opinion that the McCann & Tapas group know what happened to Madeleine & were most probably involved!
I doubt they really gave two versions of the location of cuddlecat. It sounds more like a good example of the misinformation that's been put out there?
Hopefully we may soon find out.
 
  • #40
Barnaby wrote: "I will not change my opinion that the McCann & Tapas group know what happened to Madeleine..."

REPLY: For confirmation of that, look no further than Dr David Payne angrily telling a Portuguese newspaper, way back in June last year: "This is our matter. We have a Pact of Silence".

So what is the 'Pact of Silence' all about?

Why, covering up the truth!

THE WALLS OF SILENCE

Hello Russell, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because Maddie’s vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain,
Still remains.
We’ll keep those walls - of silence.

In restless hours of drinking booze,
The restaurants of Praia da Luz,
At the table of the Tapas bar,
I texted the media on my Nok-i-a,
When the bar was struck by the cry of Kate in fright,
That split the night.
We’ll need a wall - of silence.

And in the evening light I saw,
Dozens of people, maybe more.
People searching without finding,
Policemen coming without sealing.
I told people what to share - and what not to share,
And no one dared.
Disturb the wall - of silence.

"Fools" said I, "You do not know,
Rumour like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Via Clarence Mitchell all must go through,
And the Find Madeleine Fund will create a diversion,
And plenty of funds.
And so maintain the wall - of silence”

And the media bowed and fawned,
To the abduction god they spawned.
And the Team flashed out its warning,
In the words that it was forming,
And the sign said, "The words of the Team are written in the tabloid press”
So don’t try and mess –
With our Wall (or should I say Pact) of Silence.

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