Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

[Jaiddie]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts-send-brendan-dassey-wrestlemania/89117472/ ' Site Wants to Send Brendan Dassey to Wrestlemania' Aaaaaand...the PR team is back full speed ahead again, I see. :facepalm:

 

[IDK]

Lol... Mom of three (fourth on the way) and a stepson. So yes, seen my fair share of hand wiping on clothing! It happens. It certainly doesn't mean they were out committing crimes/cleaning crime scenes. It means they are sloppy kids.

Plus isn't it also possible that there were previously existing bleach stains on the jeans? If Brendan helped out in the garage very much, he may have been used to trying to clean up with bleach.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...put-in-brendan-dasseys-fate-making-a-murderer 'Teresa Halbach's Family to Have Input in Brendan Dassey's Fate' :maddening: Unbelievable! Still doesn't matter if the kid is possibly innocent, apparently. I tell myself that nothing about this case will shock me anymore, and then they come back with things that are so low and slimy that it shocks me again, lol.

If she was part of my family, I would want to have a say in it as well. Remember they haven't questioned it the way we have. They listened to the evidence presented, the story that was presented and felt LE got the right man/men responsible. It is very hard for them to see anybody other than SA and BrD responsible. My heart goes out to them.

 

[dexter75]

Have you seen these jeans? Do you know if the bleach stains in question were splatter stains or contact stains? For all any of us know Brendan poured the bleach on the clothing while it was still in his hand. His hand could have had bleach on it and then he touched his waistband. Bleach on his jeans doesn't mean he cleaned a crime scene or murdered anyone. All it means is that he cleaned something up. And who cares if he threw them in the wash that same night? His mom strikes me as the type of mom who might throw a fit if Brendan ruined his clothing. He may have been trying to wash them right away thinking that would prevent any stains so his mom wouldn't complain. My oldest son tried that once so it doesn't strike me as being a nefarious action by any means.

Awesome question, Sinsaint.

To add a lil something, are there quality photos floating around anywhere, of this PERFECTLY clean spot on the floor of the garage?

 

[dexter75]

The prosecution has a duty to ensure they are prosecuting the person who committed the crime. If we, as everyday people, could see Brendan's "confessions" were false there is no reason why the prosecutors, with their presumably higher education, shouldn't have noticed it immediately.

Absolutely!!

To flip through a case as prosecutor, one with utmost regard for our US Justice/Legal system, would absolutely notice immediately!
One without bias, personal interest, or ulterior motives certainly would. JMO

 

[missy1974]

If she was part of my family, I would want to have a say in it as well. Remember they haven't questioned it the way we have. They listened to the evidence presented, the story that was presented and felt LE got the right man/men responsible. It is very hard for them to see anybody other than SA and BrD responsible. My heart goes out to them.

Right, kinda like PB. Even when she knew factually that SA didn't assault her, she still had a hard time with it.

What I don't understand is how Avery's/Dassey's (or their representatives) are being blamed for all the heartache when in fact, it was the prosecution and LE, and the courts that have created this situation. If the interview had been ruled inadmissible in the first place, which by law it should have been, this wouldn't be an issue this many years later. JMO

 

[Jaiddie]

If she was part of my family, I would want to have a say in it as well. Remember they haven't questioned it the way we have. They listened to the evidence presented, the story that was presented and felt LE got the right man/men responsible. It is very hard for them to see anybody other than SA and BrD responsible. My heart goes out to them.

I completely understand from the family's side of it, but it is precisely BECAUSE of the Halbach's close relationship with LE during these cases that makes me believe that while they should be kept informed, they in no way should have any input because their decisions will probably be based on their feelings instead of in pursuit of justice. I saw somewhere else where someone used the example that this is no different than like when inmates become eligible for parole and the families of the victims are permitted to come testify to try and stop the parole from going through. That is completely different, IMHO, because those coming up on parole are legally guilty of whatever their crime was, while in Dassey's case, at this moment in time he is legally "presumed to be innocent" since his conviction was overturned. Therefore, IMO, while I feel extremely sorry for the position that the Halbach family is in, they should have no bearing on Brendan's fate at this point. Also, the blame for the Halbach's circumstances at present should be laid at the door of those truly responsible for this whole mess, and that is LE and the prosecution. If they had conducted that investigation and subsequent trials from the beginning even halfway as they should have, none of this would be being discussed right now. They had no interest in the Halbach's feelings then when they laid out that make-believe horror fairy tale for the whole world (especially cruel to straight up lie like that to a victim's family about what happened to her) and they don't seem to have any now, because it sounds like to me they are planning on being able to dump any future repercussions that may come from whatever decision they make squarely on the Halbach's. All JMO, of course.

 

[Karinna]

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...put-in-brendan-dasseys-fate-making-a-murderer 'Teresa Halbach's Family to Have Input in Brendan Dassey's Fate' :maddening: Unbelievable! Still doesn't matter if the kid is possibly innocent, apparently. I tell myself that nothing about this case will shock me anymore, and then they come back with things that are so low and slimy that it shocks me again, lol.

I don't really see how the Halbach family can have a say in a legal process. That is up to the legal process to decide isn't it? Even though this must be a dreadful ordeal for the Halbach's, shouldn't everyone want to see justice carried out and served properly for the victims of heinous crimes? I can't imagine what they are going through, but TH deserves to have the right perpetrator/s of the crime against her brought to justice not a couple of patsy's who might have been set up to take a fall because of all that was financially at stake otherwise. Because IMO LE etc. had very much to lose if that civil suit against them was won, and there would IMO have been more motive for that rather than anything else.

 

[Wendy101]

So??? What does the family have to lose should they choose to have Brendans case before a jury once again?

What is going on even? Brendan would get a new trial and his lawyer would only stand up and say SA has been charged with this murder. Show the clip from SA trial of KK saying ..."one man (SA), one man ONLY" ....

Also, thought u couldn't be charged of the same crime twice?

 

[Karinna]

So??? What does the family have to lose should they choose to have Brendans case before a jury once again?

What is going on even? Brendan would get a new trial and his lawyer would only stand up and say SA has been charged with this murder. Show the clip from SA trial of KK saying ..."one man (SA), one man ONLY" ....

Also, thought u couldn't be charged of the same crime twice?

I don't think the family would get a say in the legal process and decide they could take this to trial? They are not lawyers as far as i know nor are they representing Avery or Dassey either.
There is only one thing that has happened so far that i'm aware of and that is Brendan Dassey's conviction has been overturned because of the reasons we know of about his "involuntary confession" It should not have been admissable in his trial because it was ruled as a violation of his constitutional rights.
And as far as Avery goes we have K. Zellner stating she will deal with that and get him exonerated through new evidence. So we wait & see.

 

[Karinna]

I would also like to know what kind of Trial of Dassey there would be that would tie him to the murder of TH? Once they can no longer use his confession what else would there be? I can't think of any incriminating DNA or forensic evidence that was found of Dassey's? And the bleach on his jeans was not evidence of TH's murder.
If there is a retrial of Dassey i certainly hope there will be a change of venue, far away from where he was tried the first time.

 

[Limaes]

Have you seen these jeans? Do you know if the bleach stains in question were splatter stains or contact stains? For all any of us know Brendan poured the bleach on the clothing while it was still in his hand. His hand could have had bleach on it and then he touched his waistband. Bleach on his jeans doesn't mean he cleaned a crime scene or murdered anyone. All it means is that he cleaned something up. And who cares if he threw them in the wash that same night? His mom strikes me as the type of mom who might throw a fit if Brendan ruined his clothing. He may have been trying to wash them right away thinking that would prevent any stains so his mom wouldn't complain. My oldest son tried that once so it doesn't strike me as being a nefarious action by any means.

Unfortunately, no but I would be very interested to. Have never seen a photo of those jeans on any site that I read at.

When a young woman that has been on the property earlier in the afternoon, goes missing that same day and is eventually found dead behind the garage, then the movements and activity of those that live on either side of that garage are very relevant. Especially when one of them consistently, even under oath, states that he was cleaning something in said garage that "could be blood" using bleach, gasoline and paint thinner. Then he throws his jeans into the wash after only wearing them a couple of hours. Hmmm.

 

[Karinna]

Unfortunately, no but I would be very interested to. Have never seen a photo of those jeans on any site that I read at.

When a young woman that has been on the property earlier in the afternoon, goes missing that same day and is eventually found dead behind the garage, then the movements and activity of those that live on either side of that garage are very relevant. Especially when one of them consistently, even under oath, states that he was cleaning something in said garage that "could be blood" using bleach, gasoline and paint thinner. Then he throws his jeans into the wash after only wearing them a couple of hours. Hmmm.

Yeah but BD didn't know what he was cleaning and turns out it actually wasn't blood anyway. Moot point.
And can you state with 100% positivity that the bones found were those of TH? Because this has been thrown into doubt from what i have read.

 

[Limaes]

BD's testimony at his own trial is available online to read and make up your own mind. Same goes for those qualified to testify as experts. I could post a few excerpts but I don't want to look like I am cherry picking small portions of testimony in an attempt to sway opinions.

By the way, in a Kastle-Mayer test (phenolphthalein), a false negative can be generated in the presence of a reducing agent...gasoline is a reducing agent.

 

[Limaes]

Yeah but BD didn't know what he was cleaning and turns out it actually wasn't blood anyway. Moot point.
And can you state with 100% positivity that the bones found were those of TH? Because this has been thrown into doubt from what i have read.

Sorry, but you may be reading the wrong places. They're Teresa's bones.

 

[Karinna]

So in light of all the recorded evidence in this case the only blood evidence comes from TH's Rav4 vehicle that belonged to TH?
That's incredible considering the supposed brutality of stabbing, throat cutting & shooting of the victim. Those boys must of cleaned up pretty good for no blood evidence in the areas of the supposed murder. But Avery got sloppy about the car key and dumping the vehicle with TH's blood inside of it.
And btw i haven't watched the Netflix docu series, only reading about the case online, so maybe i have missed some things regarding blood evidence etc?

 

[Sinsaint]

Sorry, but you may be reading the wrong places. They're Teresa's bones.

Fact: The known sample for TH was obtained from a PAP Smear that generated a partial profile only.

Fact: The bones in question only generated a partial DNA profile.

Fact: Two partial profiles were used for comparison.

 

[Sinsaint]

Sandra Greenman just tweeted to watch the news tomorrow. Looks like something is gonna be filed soon.

 

[Justiceseeker35]

Fact: The known sample for TH was obtained from a PAP Smear that generated a partial profile only.

Fact: The bones in question only generated a partial DNA profile.

Fact: Two partial profiles were used for comparison.

Exactly! partial profiles were created by a very shady dna analyst who was told to find evidence of her in SA trailer or garage who was praised/shamed (in the same email no less) by KK at her remarkable skills at dna matching. The bones are suspect.

 

[missy1974]

So in light of all the recorded evidence in this case the only blood evidence comes from TH's Rav4 vehicle that belonged to TH?
That's incredible considering the supposed brutality of stabbing, throat cutting & shooting of the victim. Those boys must of cleaned up pretty good for no blood evidence in the areas of the supposed murder. But Avery got sloppy about the car key and dumping the vehicle with TH's blood inside of it.
And btw i haven't watched the Netflix docu series, only reading about the case online, so maybe i have missed some things regarding blood evidence etc?

That sounds about right! The only thing that had TH's DNA on it was the bullet that was found months later, which is also the one that SC deviated from protocol to report her findings of a match to TH. Oh and consumed all of the sample in her testing so it couldn't be retested. Not a speck of blood in the trailer or in the garage, not a hair, nothing.

If you are interested, here is a thread about the DNA in this case:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?298490-DNA-What-does-the-evidence-say

also.... if you really want to put your brain to the test... the lab reports are available here:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Trial-Exhibit-14-and-15.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Trial-Exhibit-312.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Trial-Exhibit-313.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Trial-Exhibit-314.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trial-Exhibit-315-DNA-Report.pdf