Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #5

[aj1020]

It takes several minutes and a lot of force to strangle someone to death.

True, but in the one of the earlier rape cases (I think the December one, but please correct me if I'm wrong), the perp "rendered the victim unconscious". More than likely it was through some type of choke hold (which has been discussed in previous posts). Perhaps the perp was trying to get Brianna back to the "passed out" stage that he'd been able to attain before with the other victim, but he went too far and strangled her.

It absolutely doesn't take away from the viciousness of the crime, but if this is what happened, it might speak to his lack of expertise - meaning maybe this string of rapes was the first ones he committed.

 

[AdoraBlue]

I imagine they are running down every convicted sex offender they can, including peeping toms and exhibitionsists. I think that his days as as a free rapist murderer are numbered, and that LE will catch this scum.

I am unfamiliar with Nevada law, but in Louisana stalking and peeping tom offenders were (?are) not "registered sex offenders," and it turns out that the killer in Louisiana had a pretty extensive history of stalking and peeping offenses, but no offenses for which he had to be on the sex offender registry. Is anybody here familiar with Nevada sexual offense laws?

However, this is not the only similar aspects I see to the Reno cases. Again, DNA linkage, terror in a smaller city, unprocessed DNA backlogs, mentioning possibility of DNA dragnets, etc.

I pray that this rapist/killer is caught soon.

 

[LionRun]

I am unfamiliar with Nevada law, but in Louisana stalking and peeping tom offenders were (?are) not "registered sex offenders," and it turns out that the killer in Louisiana had a pretty extensive history of stalking and peeping offenses, but no offenses for which he had to be on the sex offender registry. Is anybody here familiar with Nevada sexual offense laws?

However, this is not the only similar aspects I see to the Reno cases. Again, DNA linkage, terror in a smaller city, unprocessed DNA backlogs, mentioning possibility of DNA dragnets, etc.

I pray that this rapist/killer is caught soon.

Great question, AdoraBlue! I can't seem to open any new windows to search for the definition of, "sex offender" in Nevada--darn windows vista! bad windows vista!

Lion

 

[NewMommy09]

I wanted to bring back up a question I had in one of Bri's previous threads, because over the weekend, I had some new thoughts on it.

I wanted to know how LE got DNA evidence from the November groping victim, as she was not raped. I realize semen is not the only way to get DNA. I am just curious. When I posted the question, a poster replied stating that someone let slip that the DNA was from oils excreted by the human body. I had forgotten about that slip and was satisfied with that answer, although still curious about the DNA from oils, which has been relatively unheard of in my experience.

But over the weekend, I got to thinking, and IIRC the slip was originally said concerning Brianna's case, not the November groping victim. So I guess I am saying that my original question still stands.

How did they get DNA from the November groping victim?

It seems that if getting DNA from excreted body oils worked in both that case AND in Bri's, wouldn't this be a more common and better known practice?

 

[Ca-Sun]

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But the definitive tone of the word "strangulation" leads me to believe otherwise. From the outside looking in, it seems like and accidental strangulation.

I'm curious - why do you think it looks like an "accidental" strangulation?

 

[NewMommy09]

Great question, AdoraBlue! I can't seem to open any new windows to search for the definition of, "sex offender" in Nevada--darn windows vista! bad windows vista!

Lion

I haven't read up on the site yet, but I thought I would post this for everyone. Maybe it will answer some of our questions about who would be looked at by LE.

http://www.nvsexoffenders.gov/

 

[NewMommy09]

I think this answers our question about whether peeping toms, etc would need to register as a sex offender in Nevada. This is from the same link I posted above. From what I can tell, they WOULD have to register, but their identities are not made public.

Tier 0 (No assessment required)
Convicted sex offenders who are required to register; however, they are convicted of a misdemeanor, gross misdemeanor, or crime against a child, and are not subject to community notification. These offenders are not subject to a risk assessment and therefore the identities of these offenders will not be posted to this Website because their offense is not listed under NRS 179D.620.

 

[Ca-Sun]

"Reno police are trying to identify the female who owned a pair of Pink Panther thong underwear found with Brianna Denison’s body on Friday.

Lt. Robert McDonald said DNA of an unknown woman and the DNA of the man who abducted and strangled Denison were on the panties. McDonald said the underwear was found with Denison’s body but was not hers. The male DNA found on the panties is from the same man who committed at least two sexually motivated crimes against other young college women recently."

More here

 

[aj1020]

"Reno police are trying to identify the female who owned a pair of Pink Panther thong underwear found with Brianna Denison’s body on Friday.

Lt. Robert McDonald said DNA of an unknown woman and the DNA of the man who abducted and strangled Denison were on the panties. McDonald said the underwear was found with Denison’s body but was not hers. The male DNA found on the panties is from the same man who committed at least two sexually motivated crimes against other young college women recently."

More here

WHAT?!?!

 

[SuziQ]

"Reno police are trying to identify the female who owned a pair of Pink Panther thong underwear found with Brianna Denison’s body on Friday.

Lt. Robert McDonald said DNA of an unknown woman and the DNA of the man who abducted and strangled Denison were on the panties. McDonald said the underwear was found with Denison’s body but was not hers. The male DNA found on the panties is from the same man who committed at least two sexually motivated crimes against other young college women recently."

More here

He's definitely playing a game. I wonder if he strangled her with them?

 

[NewMommy09]

"Reno police are trying to identify the female who owned a pair of Pink Panther thong underwear found with Brianna Denison’s body on Friday.

Lt. Robert McDonald said DNA of an unknown woman and the DNA of the man who abducted and strangled Denison were on the panties. McDonald said the underwear was found with Denison’s body but was not hers. The male DNA found on the panties is from the same man who committed at least two sexually motivated crimes against other young college women recently."

More here

WOW.
Maybe he really is playing a game. That or we have all given him far to much credit intellectually.

 

[SuziQ]

He wants LE and everyone know there is another vic he hadn't gotten credit for. It's obviously not any of the currently known vics.

 

[NewMommy09]

He's definitely playing a game. I wonder if he strangled her with them?

LOL, SuziQ, your post wasn't there yet when I posted mine. It looks like we shared the same brainwave.

 

[SuziQ]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7892883

(snip)
Police hope to find the killer and serial rapist before he strikes again. They say about 30 to 36 days elapse between each of the attacks. It's been almost 30 days since Denison disappeared on Jan. 20.
Police say the attention from the Denison case could cause the man to change his tactics or commit his crime in a new location. In the mean time, police say they're relying on the community to send in tips to catch this man.

 

[SuziQ]

LOL, SuziQ, your post wasn't there yet when I posted mine. It looks like we shared the same brainwave.

It sure does. lol

 

[NewMommy09]

He wants LE and everyone know there is another vic he hadn't gotten credit for. It's obviously not any of the currently known vics.

I really think you are correct on this. He is having a field day with the media coverage on this, and he wants us all to know that he has the upper hand.

So many scenarios running through my head about the underwear.
- could this field have been a regular place he took victims to rape them, and the panties were previously left there? (I don't think so, but its a possibility)
- Is he (as suggested by SuziQ) intent that LE know there is another victim?
- Could the panties belong to the girlfriend or wife that we are all so publicly posting that we hope will come forward? His way of saying "dream on"

At this point, I am really starting to think that he is PURPOSELY leaving his DNA behind. He wants all of his cases connected, he wants to scare the public, he wants the notoriety, even if not specific to his name.

 

[SuziQ]

Once again, thank you Adnoid! (I never thought I would be thanking an adnoid). Seriously though, you have been wonderful.

Brianna was much closer to the road than I originally thought. There doesn't appear to be a clear shot from a window.

 

[SuziQ]

Stillhoping, the discovery of the panties sure change the whole picture doesn't it? Any of the above theories regarding the panty owner are good ones. He's a confident one isn't he?

 

[NewMommy09]

Link with photo of panties.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/NEWS01/80219019&theme=

 

[SuziQ]

I'm going to post some possible vics from National Center for missing adults: The first one here fits the physical description of his "type".

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502909S