Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #8

[Reannan]

I really wonder what he wanted from the December vic's house...

Underwear???

 

[newshound81]

Underwear???

Maybe. I wonder if he was angry that he couldn't get to that vic and maybe took out that rage on Brianna. It's interesting how he committed to back-to-back crimes - the break-in, followed by the abduction--after sticking to a monthly schedule, as far as we know.

I feel like something brought him back to that area a second night, whether his anger at the first victim and wanting to find another, or his having seen Brianna in the area the night before and wanting to get to her. How did he stay "calm" for 30 days out of the month between the November, December and January attacks--again, as far as we know--but couldn't fight the urge two nights in a row?

 

[FXSTS]

It's sort of starting to sound like sexual gratification takes a back seat to sheer need for violence.

 

[concernedperson]

It's sort of starting to sound like sexual gratification takes a back seat to sheer need for violence.

Read about Gary M. Hilton and how he raped Meredith out of anger when she didn't give him the correct PIN numbers. Then he tied her to a tree and told her he would be setting her free and then proceeded to beat her head with a tire iron. This perp didn't kill daily or even monthly but killed he did. He described it as surreal.

Logic doesn't play into most of these crimes but pattern can be important to solving them. One thing we can be sure of is that escalation almost always happens with these deranged people.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Read about Gary M. Hilton and how he raped Meredith out of anger when she didn't give him the correct PIN numbers. Then he tied her to a tree and told her he would be setting her free and then proceeded to beat her head with a tire iron. This perp didn't kill daily or even monthly but killed he did. He described it as surreal.

Logic doesn't play into most of these crimes but pattern can be important to solving them. One thing we can be sure of is that escalation almost always happens with these deranged people.

I believe that this is an area that is rich in possible vics for our suspect. Therefore, I think there are other young women out there that have come in contact with him, but never reported him. I find it hard to believe one day in Nov this started and escalated that quickly to not just rape and abduction but murder. This man has been doing this for a longer time. I think that other vics are not connecting the dots..maybe due to conflicting descriptions of the suspect.

I think he may have recently moved to that area..maybe in October...from another college area in a city setting. He will have vics there also. I also think that he has left the Reno area. His time to strike again has come and gone. He has moved on to fresh hunting grounds. It will be another college in a city setting, not a small college town so to speak.

 

[concernedperson]

I believe that this is an area that is rich in possible vics for our suspect. Therefore, I think there are other young women out there that have come in contact with him, but never reported him. I find it hard to believe one day in Nov this started and escalated that quickly to not just rape and abduction but murder. This man has been doing this for a longer time. I think that other vics are not connecting the dots..maybe due to conflicting descriptions of the suspect.

I think he may have recently moved to that area..maybe in October...from another college area in a city setting. He will have vics there also. I also think that he has left the Reno area. His time to strike again has come and gone. He has moved on to fresh hunting grounds. It will be another college in a city setting, not a small college town so to speak.

Even if he didn't move away permanently like Hilton but roamed several states than they should be able to match some MO's. They really need to be looking in surrounding states. I would also look for more vulnerable people as far as homicides. Younger or older with least resistance.I believe he has escalated and rape is not his only motive and the fact that they feel the need to kill so there are no eye witnesses.

 

[txsvicki]

Maybe. I wonder if he was angry that he couldn't get to that vic and maybe took out that rage on Brianna. It's interesting how he committed to back-to-back crimes - the break-in, followed by the abduction--after sticking to a monthly schedule, as far as we know.

I feel like something brought him back to that area a second night, whether his anger at the first victim and wanting to find another, or his having seen Brianna in the area the night before and wanting to get to her. How did he stay "calm" for 30 days out of the month between the November, December and January attacks--again, as far as we know--but couldn't fight the urge two nights in a row?

Maybe he was stalking and trolling certain areas during those months figuring different places he could try and abduct a girl.

 

[softsoul]

The fact that the attempted break-in wasn't a random act makes me think his intention was to cause further harm to the victim. Unless there was some way he knew that she had left the country and thought the apartment would be vacant...but why try to break-in to an empty apartment?

I think he saw Brianna and her friend come home that night, watched and waited. Or perhaps he noticed her when she was up texting her boyfriend. If he had watched her the night before then how did he know she would be alone on the couch the following night? Would he take the risk of confronting 3 women in order to get Brianna?

I have a suspicion that the party around the corner is what drew him to the neighborhood that night. He either attended or knew about it and thought it would be an opportunity to catch a young woman off guard or walking alone at night. While lurking he happened to see Brianna. She was coming home about the time the party was ending and he may have risked entering the home because he thought it was his last chance to find a victim that night/morning. There are so many possibilities.

 

[newshound81]

I believe that this is an area that is rich in possible vics for our suspect. Therefore, I think there are other young women out there that have come in contact with him, but never reported him. I find it hard to believe one day in Nov this started and escalated that quickly to not just rape and abduction but murder. This man has been doing this for a longer time. I think that other vics are not connecting the dots..maybe due to conflicting descriptions of the suspect.

I think he may have recently moved to that area..maybe in October...from another college area in a city setting. He will have vics there also. I also think that he has left the Reno area. His time to strike again has come and gone. He has moved on to fresh hunting grounds. It will be another college in a city setting, not a small college town so to speak.

StillHoping and others have been doing a great job at researching and posting links to other cases around the country on the Similar Cases/Possibly Related and Other Victims threads. I agree that it is smart to start considering there are victims elsewhere.

 

[NewMommy09]

StillHoping and others have been doing a great job at researching and posting links to other cases around the country on the Similar Cases/Possibly Related and Other Victims threads. I agree that it is smart to start considering there are victims elsewhere.

Thanks newshound81, you are doing a great job yourself. I guess I should have kept posting on the Other Victims thread instead of creating the new one, but the idea was to keep Reno vicinity assaults in one thread and nationwide assaults in another. I hope that doesn't confuse anyone.

O/T, are any of you sleuthers familiar with the case of missing child Acacia Bishop??? Please see the thread below in my sig. I am looking for feedback. Thanks.

 

[guestwriter]

Soobs, I feel the same way you do about the guy who gave Bri's friend a ride home that night. I know he has been cleared, but like your husband said, LE should check out his friends. And maybe check him out a little closer too.

I didn't get to see the beginning of Dateline last night, but from what I seen, it looks like the report was good.

The underwear have me more cornfuzzled than ever though!

I saw dateline as well. I was more concerned about the young lady's behavior the one who flagged the stranger down at the casino and asked him to give her a ride home. Is this common behavior among young young college aged females with any sense today? Would Brianna have done that..or gone along with it ...I somehow doubt it. That behavior suggests a wanton lack of concern for her own safety and a wild recklessness. This makes me wonder again about these roommates who lived in this home (where "the living room was like a hotel lobby"). I still feel the girls or the guys in that apt know something and don't know they know it. I am sure they have racked their brains trying to recall everyone they have ever met who has ever been in their apt. and not made the connection YET....
There is a a thread running between the people living in that apt, the man who gave the girl a ride home, the party the night before, the events they attended, the places they visited someone they have come in contact with even very briefly and the abduction/murder of Brianna. Does anyone know about the other guys that lived in the apt? I have not heard anything about them....

Wonder if they checked out the place where Brianna and KT had breakfast that morning...Could someone have followed them home from there an employee, a guy having coffee looking for potential victims at that hour of the morning?

Did you all notice her mom said the police told her Brianna was probably killed right there in the apt..? Does that mean he kept her body somewhere for weeks till he dumped it on the other side of town..

 

[guestwriter]

I'm thinking that either LE jogged the December vic's memory, or she came forward and said, "The descriptiong you've been releasing is off." Remember she is in Taiwan now--we have no idea how often LE is in touch with her.
I'll try to find the link if I can, but I believe the description posted in UNR's student paper, The Nevada Sagebrush, right after the December attack described the perp as a "heavy set" man. I think the October victim's , which of course has not been connected to the other cases, description somehow got muddied with this other description from the December vic and we have what we've been seeing in the papers and on TV since Brianna's case started.
But when it comes down to it, I don't know if any of the information released will help a lay person identify the perp. As many on this board and LE have been saying, this man is probably going to be outed by an SO, family member, friend, coworker or neighbor. My chief concern since they found Bri's body has been why none of the above has come forward.

Obviously there is more then one perp out there. The descriptions are different yet they are both wanted by LE. The scope is wider...

 

[newshound81]

Obviously there is more then one perp out there. The descriptions are different yet they are both wanted by LE. The scope is wider...

I tend to agree, without the DNA link to the October case. Unfortunately, I think people have focused on that sketch and that may be contributing a bit to the lack of info coming forth on Bri's perp. But, still, I think it comes down to someone who knows this guy personally coming forward.

As for your post above this one on the behavior of college women, I never knew of a house like that while in college in Philadelphia. Suites in the dorms/residence halls were sometimes lobby-like, but not apartments or houses.

People who share houses or apartments in college tend to be friends of fraternity or sorority sisters. It sounds like the residents of Mackay Court may have only been acquaintances, at that, which explains their not keeping track of one another's hours and leaving doors unlocked for one another. The people surely did not feel completely safe with each other if they locked their own bedroom doors. People living in a house that know and trust each other would lock the front door and not the individual doors, IMO. But guestwriter, this may link to your theory of there being so much coming and going there and all residents not really knowing who--maybe even the perp--was in the house...

 

[close_enough]

Wow.........the comment by AnotherConcernedParent is something I hope the police are investigating. This person is very confident that they know a person who fits the description of the suspect.

If he planted DNA, how would they be able to convict a person without a confession? I've made the assumption that the DNA the police have might be from finger-nail scrapings from Brianna fighting her attacker.

not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but AnotherConcernedParent went back & talked to LE....sounds like LE is pretty sure the DNA wasn't planted...?

post is dated 3/25/08 at 10:23 pm...page two of the comments

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS01/803200337/1004/NEWS19#gslPageReturn

 

[close_enough]

I've been looking, and I can't find the slip of paper I wrote the guy's name on. At the time I was thinking it was a good lead, but if the guy has served time for molesting young girls, his DNA is probably on file and checked against the perp's DNA.

I will keep looking though.............

aahhh...ok, thanks......

 

[Leila]

not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but AnotherConcernedParent went back & talked to LE....sounds like LE is pretty sure the DNA wasn't planted...?

post is dated 3/25/08 at 10:23 pm...page two of the comments

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS01/803200337/1004/NEWS19#gslPageReturn

Thanks Close_enough,

If the police feel pretty sure the DNA wasn't planted, I would think it would have to be DNA in the form of scrapings from under Brianna's fingernails, body fluids, or something that was the result of the attack and not something that could be planted at the scene.

 

[softsoul]

Thanks Close_enough,

If the police feel pretty sure the DNA wasn't planted, I would think it would have to be DNA in the form of scrapings from under Brianna's fingernails, body fluids, or something that was the result of the attack and not something that could be planted at the scene.

They can get DNA from skin oil left with partial prints or someone brushing their skin against a surface hard enough to leave oil from their skin. It is truly amazing what they can do now.

 

[close_enough]

Thanks Close_enough,

If the police feel pretty sure the DNA wasn't planted, I would think it would have to be DNA in the form of scrapings from under Brianna's fingernails, body fluids, or something that was the result of the attack and not something that could be planted at the scene.

exactly, Leila....i also agree with softsoul...it's amazing what they can do now....

 

[Leila]

Someone posted a response in the comment section of the RGJ after the story about the revised description of the suspect who killed Brianna and attacked two others. The person states that two girls were attacked in Lake Tahoe recently near one of the casinos, and that DNA of the rapist was linked to the DNA of the suspect in the Brianna Denison case.

The poster's username is Myrgj08 and the response was posted today 03-27-08.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080322/NEWS/803220332/0/NEWS18

 

[Reannan]

Well gosh! Maybe LE can make the connection between the cases!!! I sure hope so. If we don't see any news conferences or news reports in the press, maybe we need to clue Reno LE in on the Lake Tahoe incident. P.S. Thanks Leila for the update! Much appreciated!