Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #8

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Softsoul!

I guess you missed the other 7 pages on it being normal or not to shave a male's pubic area. LOL Everyone has set opinions and yet can still learn from others here. We do learn something new every day!!

No. They have not released or even hinted about where the murder actually took place. What was stated by one officer from RPD is that it was particularly disturbing or whatever term he used. The quote should be listed in this thread, If I Recall Correctly (IIRC).

I have to agree with you on KT, but it did seem she has a skeleton or two she did not want aired publically. This age group is very tightlipped even in the face of such tragedy to want to only tell what they feel is neccessary. It happens a lot that they will not be forthcoming with things which might incriminate other peers or which they deem to be unimportant, as sad as it is.

 

[10EC_Dad]

:laugh: :laugh:

Truthfully, can you go to another site and find what you have here? We do try to find every piece of what is released to the public, keep track of such and compartmentalize them into fact, speculation, possibilities, etc. We keep things in perspective while at the same time try to find the missing links. If you can find another site which isn't full of people who continually go off topic or let nonsense get in the way...I haven't seen it and I have looked. I respect the people here and their opinions. I like the way we banter pros and cons. We have intelligent, articulate, and devoted sleuths who enjoy getting to the bottom of a case...with what we have to work with.

Honestly SS, the forums I have been in contain a variety of posters. My observation is that the LE bashing, witness/spouse bashing, unfounded and undridled speculation, and lack of reasonable logic is much louder that anyone else. I can see why you enjot it here, and I say that honestly and without disrespect. I have spent hours here trying to help, with others (which you have called cronies), culture a different environment and I question the effect.

 

[softsoul]

Thanks for your response SS. Yes, I saw the statement in this thread about some abnormal behavior, or something to that effect. That is what made me ask where the info came from. There isn't really any discussion about this case here in the eastern US, at least in my neck of the woods.

I wasn't trying to judge anyone or their opinion, just trying to give another opinion about why KT may not be acting like some might expect her to. Are they still living in that house?? Maybe I'm a wimp but my butt woulda been out of there the next day if not sooner. I hope they're all recovering and getting stronger.

So, just curious....what was the outcome of the pubic hair discussion....normal or not?? :waitasec:

 

[Leila]

Hi everyone- Interesting discussion, although I have to admit I never thought I'd read 7 pages of discussion about dirty underwear!

It sounds like most of you have been following this case for awhile. If you don't mind I have a couple of questions. Has there been any information about where Brianna was killed? It sounds like it wasn't where her body was found?? Also, I haven't read anything about LE saying the killer's behavior is worse than we know. Was that a public statement by LE or just something someone heard?

I'm not going to question KT's credibility until there is reason to. If she did minimize the partying that evening I totally understand. People are always quick to judge the victim, especially in sexual crimes, and this may have played a part in her response. I can't even imagine how terrified (and ticked) I'd be to know that psycho had been in my house, on the other side of the door to the room I was sleeping in. Add to this he kidnapped and did who knows what terrible things to your good friend before taking her life. A million and one "what if's" have to go through that girl's mind every day. I doubt if I'd still be able to form a sentence, let alone think clearly about what I had done the night before my life changed forever. I hope we can all show some empathy for those friends of Brianna's. If you think you want this nutcase found can you imagine how they feel?

Welcome to Websleuths Sofesoul!

There has been no official word as to where Brianna was killed. Beyond that there's only speculation. One of the family members did say in a press statement words to the effect that Brianna didn't suffer. That could be taken to mean that she was killed shortly after being abducted.

Yes, in an early statement one of the police officers did make a public statement about Brianna's death, saying they were shocked and that 99% of the people don't know the terrible things the perp did. I don't have the exact quote at hand. This, coupled with the fact that LE has not revealed the condition of Brianna's body, nor the evidence found at the scene where her body was found (with exception of the two pairs of underwear), has led many here to believe the suspect did something that's particularly heinous.

The reason the underwear is being discussed is because it's the only evidence the police have made available. So, we're left with speculation of how the suspect was able to take a pair of underwear that belonged to one of the other girls who resided at the MacKay Court house, and about who the owner of the pink panther underwear is.

 

[Leila]

Thanks for your response SS. Yes, I saw the statement in this thread about some abnormal behavior, or something to that effect. That is what made me ask where the info came from. There isn't really any discussion about this case here in the eastern US, at least in my neck of the woods.

I wasn't trying to judge anyone or their opinion, just trying to give another opinion about why KT may not be acting like some might expect her to. Are they still living in that house?? Maybe I'm a wimp but my butt woulda been out of there the next day if not sooner. I hope they're all recovering and getting stronger.

So, just curious....what was the outcome of the pubic hair discussion....normal or not?? :waitasec:

I don't believe the two girls are still living at the MacKay Court house. There was an article or something that stated they moved out within days of Brianna's disappearance, long before her body was found. I agree..........I would have been out of that house in as long as it took to gather my belongings!

I don't think there was any definite conclusion about the shaving, other than it seems to be more commonplace among the younger generation, 35 and under.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is a whole thread dedicated to that topic, Softsoul!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60672

I do feel for the girls living in that apartment and the one who was staying there that night with KT. It would be a horrendous thing to go through. I know I would have my daughter at home immediately and she would probably be glad to be home after such a horrific experience. I cannot imagine the mothers and how thankful they were the girls were not also harmed.

 

[NewMommy09]

Hi everyone- Interesting discussion, although I have to admit I never thought I'd read 7 pages of discussion about dirty underwear!

It sounds like most of you have been following this case for awhile. If you don't mind I have a couple of questions. Has there been any information about where Brianna was killed? It sounds like it wasn't where her body was found?? Also, I haven't read anything about LE saying the killer's behavior is worse than we know. Was that a public statement by LE or just something someone heard?

I'm not going to question KT's credibility until there is reason to. If she did minimize the partying that evening I totally understand. People are always quick to judge the victim, especially in sexual crimes, and this may have played a part in her response. I can't even imagine how terrified (and ticked) I'd be to know that psycho had been in my house, on the other side of the door to the room I was sleeping in. Add to this he kidnapped and did who knows what terrible things to your good friend before taking her life. A million and one "what if's" have to go through that girl's mind every day. I doubt if I'd still be able to form a sentence, let alone think clearly about what I had done the night before my life changed forever. I hope we can all show some empathy for those friends of Brianna's. If you think you want this nutcase found can you imagine how they feel?

Welcome to WS SoftSoul,

Looking forward to new input on this case and others. I must warn you though, once you start here, it's hard to stop, and it gets hard reading so many tragic stories. It will change you forever, IMO.

I personally agree with your opinion about Jessica, KT or other roomates not being involved in any way. The other known victims seem to have been at random and none other than Brianna (that we know of) were killed, and I have a hard time believing that the perp would murder the one victim he might have ties to. But you will see many different theory's and opinions here that will span a wide spectrum. You could check the Links thread for the article which mentions the statement about "99.9% of people have no idea what this guy has done". I'm not sure if it was posted there or not.

StillHoping

ETA: I found the article about "LE expressing shock"

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/NEWS01/80218030/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON
Snip:
“This case is shocking to us, but to 99.9 percent of the people who live in this community, they have no comprehension and cannot even fathom that someone had done what this guy did,” McDonald said. “He’s a deviant not working on the same moral plane as the rest of us. Something is wrong with this person.”

 

[philamena]

Dad,
LOL I don't think you know how to use the quote function. Go back to page 5 and read post 119, which is my original post.
Then read post 121 which is your post to me.

Next read Page 6, post 132, I answered your question to me.
This was your question that you posted to me after YOU copied the post.

What do you think she is being dishonest about?

Now back up and read YOUR post 133.
I'm finished explaining quotes to you. :crazy:

 

[philamena]

I said yesterday afternoon that I thought he put the underwear in her mouth - I think he stuffed the underwear down her throat.

Me too less0305.
I think I may have missed your post yesterday, but I have a hunch you're right.

 

[philamena]

Honestly SS, the forums I have been in contain a variety of posters. My observation is that the LE bashing, witness/spouse bashing, unfounded and undridled speculation, and lack of reasonable logic is much louder that anyone else. I can see why you enjot it here, and I say that honestly and without disrespect. I have spent hours here trying to help, with others (which you have called cronies), culture a different environment and I question the effect.

WUDGE...is that you? :crazy:
(inside joke Dad.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Are you saying we have not had anything to add to this case and that you with a few others have figured it all out on your own? Bravo!!

I think I have plenty of logical, yet speculative theories and conclusions to bring to the table. How many cases have you worked on here and have seen through to the end to base your "nothing but the facts, ma'am" opinions on? Since I have been here, I think my theories and assumptions have hit pretty close on quite a few cases.

I don't think that when the shoe fits to state I think that LE is off base or is totally mistaken, it is wrong to point it out. You call it bashing, but I just call it like I see it when it happens.

Am I hurting anyone with my opinions of LE? Do I want people to take a closer look at LE instead of having blind faith when concerning cases such as Brianna's? You bet I do! I would love for people to realize we are at their mercy when our loved ones go missing or worse.

We are asked to believe they are doing everything they can. We are asked to believe that no stone is left unturned. Does this always happen? I can take you to case after case here on this board alone which will tell you that it does not. The people who put their blind faith that LE was going to find their child's murderer or bring their child home missed something which then resulted in a dead end and a cold case. We have even found the missing links for them to go back and rework without much luck because they refuse to think they were wrong or admit it publically (see the Jennifer Kesse case). It does make me believe their way of doing things is archaic and their power is too great over the rest of us who actually are at their mercy.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

:laugh: :laugh:

WUDGE...is that you? :crazy:
(inside joke Dad.)

 

[Leviosa]

Welcome to WS Softsoul!

Leila:Your entire post, #166, is about as clear and concise to what I've been trying to relay from the onset. So first, thank you; second, very well-written indeed!

S.S.,You too! I am a real 'outside the box' kind of thinker when it comes to these matters of crime, especially murder. I also agree with your assessment that we can't rule out that one of them may have had a one-nighter. And as for me the laundry hamper is as good a scenario as any other.

Also S.S., the contribution that this site has made is incalculable; if not in valuable assistance, then certainly for victims families, LE, and the like.

less0305,I agree 100%! When I remember my college days—whew! I once had a very lovely lady and her female friend give me a 'belt of hickies' around my waist, each 1 inch apart from the other and I didn't even stir! "And at band-camp…one time a super good friend of mine drew a mountain scene on my forehead!"

One last tidbit here: Do we know for certain—beyond reasonable or question of a doubt that this slithering snake of a sub human has 'raped' anyone in the tradition sense of rape, vis-a-vie intercourse?

 

[softsoul]

Wow, what a friendly bunch of folks you are!!! Thanks for all the welcomes.

My interest in this case is really twofold. First, it has some similarities to an attack that happened to a friend of mine in college. She came back to the dorm one evening and her roommate had a male visitor. She laid down on a couch in the lobby of the dorm and fell asleep. Sometime later she was awoken by someone placing her jacket over her face. He began to sexually assault her when he heard a door close upstairs. He attempted to take her from the dorm but thank goodness she was able to get away, although she was beaten. There were several other attacks around campus and finally he went over the line and killed a woman. He was caught when his live-in girlfriend turned him in. Everyone was shocked when they found out who he was. Enough about that.

I'm also interested in abnormal psychology and recently completed an internship at a prison. I just finished reading about a study done on antisocial personalities (previously called sociopaths). This study found that these guys do not experience fear the same way others do. Their threshold was much higher than the norm. This, along with a lack of conscious, makes them very dangerous to the rest of us "normal" beings. I've read the limited profile they have shared on Brianna's killer. The reason I asked the question about LE saying this was worse than anyone thought is that it is unusual for so much brutality during a first murder. Makes you wonder what this guy will "mature into."

Anyway, that's a little about my interest in this case. I look forward to sharing in your discussions.

 

[txsvicki]

About a one night stand. I just wonder if a murdering psycho rapist who is most likely married with a child actually has one night stands. I know his face hasn't been seen either, but he really doesn't sound very attractive with a long square face and a short goatee. His stomach is officially described as not "excessively large but not flabby and he's not muscular". He has a dorky tan, pale white abdomen, and is not a large guy. God, can you imagine waking up to some guy with a shaved pelvic region, but with hair on his arms and chin, not in shape, and a farmer's tan! I think those girls are way too attractive to be attracted to something like that. Brianna was beautiful so I imagine her friends are too. Just my opinion.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

S.S.,You too! I am a real 'outside the box' kind of thinker when it comes to these matters of crime, especially murder. I also agree with your assessment that we can't rule out that one of them may have had a one-nighter. And as for me the laundry hamper is as good a scenario as any other.

Also S.S., the contribution that this site has made is incalculable; if not in valuable assistance, then certainly for victims families, LE, and the like.

One last tidbit here: Do we know for certain—beyond reasonable or question of a doubt that this slithering snake of a sub human has 'raped' anyone in the tradition sense of rape, vis-a-vie intercourse?

Thanks for taking the time to read my posts, Leviosa. Your comments are always welcomed.

No, we don't know if he has forced intercourse on a victim. Only the description from victim #2 leads to the conclusion he forced oral sex on her. The first attack never culminated into the actual act of either, but LE does state it is considered a sexual assault. To my knowledge, only the media has used to term "rapist"...but I could be mistaken.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My interest in this case is really twofold. First, it has some similarities to an attack that happened to a friend of mine in college. She came back to the dorm one evening and her roommate had a male visitor. She laid down on a couch in the lobby of the dorm and fell asleep. Sometime later she was awoken by someone placing her jacket over her face. He began to sexually assault her when he heard a door close upstairs. He attempted to take her from the dorm but thank goodness she was able to get away, although she was beaten. There were several other attacks around campus and finally he went over the line and killed a woman. He was caught when his live-in girlfriend turned him in. Everyone was shocked when they found out who he was. Enough about that.

I'm also interested in abnormal psychology and recently completed an internship at a prison. I just finished reading about a study done on antisocial personalities (previously called sociopaths). This study found that these guys do not experience fear the same way others do. Their threshold was much higher than the norm. This, along with a lack of conscious, makes them very dangerous to the rest of us "normal" beings. I've read the limited profile they have shared on Brianna's killer. The reason I asked the question about LE saying this was worse than anyone thought is that it is unusual for so much brutality during a first murder. Makes you wonder what this guy will "mature into."

Anyway, that's a little about my interest in this case. I look forward to sharing in your discussions.

Your friend's case does have many similarities. Maybe we can learn things from her case to apply to Bri's. It is horrible this type of crime ever occurs, but I think it is most frightening when it happens to our children at the most vulnerable time of their lives which should be the best years for them. We dream of our children getting into college to fulfill their own dreams not to face such nightmares.

It sounds like a fascinating field of study. Case studies stemming from a prison must have been quite an enlightening experience. Their abnormal threshold for fear is an interesting topic and I hope we can discuss it further.

 

[NewMommy09]

Since I have been here, I think my theories and assumptions have hit pretty close on quite a few cases.

No kidding!!! When Kelsey Smith was foung at Lake Longview after you kept insisting that LE needed to look there, it sent quite a few shivers up spines.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Dad wasn't around for that one. I can't imagine how he would have reacted. I don't think he would be able to conceive it was even possible to do without facts to go on.

Just goes to show that while thinking outside the box and using a certain amount of logic, you can come to the right conclusions without any facts to back you up until the end result. Yes, that was definitely "unbridled speculation" on my part.

 

[softsoul]

OK, SS...since you seem to have some experience in sleuthing here is a question for you and others. What is the one thing about this killer you are most certain about at this point?? Obviously I am asking for speculation, so saying he is a white male or he a total wack job isn't an acceptable answer. I'll go first..

He lives, or has recently lived, within blocks of where Bri was abducted.