British student murdered in Perugia, 3 suspects

[Isabella]

I actually don't look into the practices of the local police departments on interrogations when I think about travel. Perhaps my own ignorance.

I am sure Amanda's parents are regretting the decision to let their child study abroad.

It is a human right to be treated humanely in any country regardless of their local laws. We know it doesn't always happen. I am not saying it happened here, just that a film would show us either way.

I am sure Merediths parents are regretting Amandas parents decision to let her go there also. Incidentally they have no doubts at all that justice has been served.

I agree its everyones right to be treated humanely. Its a shame Meredith wasnt isnt it?:furious:

 

[Isabella]

They may have filmed it and just can’t show it. Know what I mean?

No I dont.

I have every belief that Amanda lied. She blames the cops for her multiple stories that she was afraid of them and yet...the time she accused her bf...she was not being questioned so go and figure.

Im sorry I just dont buy Amandas act. Some do and thats fine.

 

[darnudes]

Her email above is full of lies and contradictions.

i called both of merediths
phones the english one first and last and the italian one between. the
first time i called the english phone is rang and then sounded as of
there was disturbance, but no one answered. i then calle the italian
phone and it just kept ringing, no answer. i called her english phone
again and this time an english voice told me her phone was out of
service

It was conclusively proven she only called Merideth's phone for approx 3 seconds.

 

[darnudes]

Amanda Knox:

I want to-- reiterate my position, for all of this case, and also to clarify-- the confusion that I-- have brought to this case.


Okay. I want to clarify what it is that happened to me in-- the-- in the Questore -- the day that-- the day that I made declarations that didn't make sense, that changed.

After-- the discovery of Meredith, I had spent days in-- cooperating with the police, to try to just give as much information as I could.

The day of the fifth, I wasn't called to the Questore. Raffaele was called, but I decided to go with him, to keep him company, but also because I was scared to be alone.

When I was there, I had just planned to wait, but the police came into their waiting room and wanted to talk to me more about what I knew, people that I knew who had come to my house. I gave them phone numbers and--

After that, they moved me into another room and started asking me the same questions, what I had done that night, asking me-- for times, exact time periods, exactly what I did. And was-- it was difficult for me because it was in the middle of the night that I-- we had been called. I was very tired. And I was also quite stressed out. And I-- so I--


They kept asking me the same questions, time periods-- exactly sequences of actions and I did my best, to give the same information over and over and over again.

At a certain point-- excuse me. At a certain point, the-- they began-- the police began to be more aggressive with me.

They called me a liar and--

They told me that I was-- of all the things that I had kept saying, over and over again, they said that I was lying. They said that--

They threatened that I was going to go in prison for 30 years because I was hiding something. But I-- but I felt-- I felt completely stressed out, blocked, because I wasn't lying. I didn't know what I-- I didn't know what to do.

Then they started pushing on me the idea that I must have seen something, and forgotten about it. They said that I was traumatized.

I didn't understand. I became really confused. I tried to-- re-express, re-explain what I had done-- the fact that I didn't have to go to work. At that point, they-- I gave them my phone so they could see that I didn't have to-- I received-- okay-- okay--

See - because I received an SMS, and for that reason, they kept repeating to me that I was lying about - SMS. I was confused.

So, what ended up happening was the fact that I had been pressured so much, and I was-- I was hit in the back of the head by one of the police officers and--

Who said she was trying to make me-- help me remember the truth.

I was terrified, because I didn't know-- I-- I didn't know what to do anymore.

And so what ended up happening was they said they-- they went-- take me to jail, and I'm - and because of all this SMS, because-- because of all this confusion, they kept saying, "You sent this thing to Patrick. We know that you left the house. We know." I just said his name. It wasn't because I was trying to say anything. I just said it because they were…

After that - at a certain point, I asked if I should have had a lawyer. And they said that it would have been worse for me.

So they asked me to make declarations about what I remembered, but I told that I didn't remember anything like this.

Because I was confused. What I remembered was different from what they were asking me to say.

They asked me for details, and I didn't have details to give them, so they just asked me questions that I just responded as -

From - I was stressed, so what I - what, in that moment that I was trying to think of something else - my memories of just random events, of seeing Patrick, for instance, one night, or…

I wrote these memorials that everyone's putting so much pressure on - only because I wanted to express the fact that I was confused. I felt like no one was listening to me anymore, and so I wrote these to express the fact that I didn't - I - I didn't - I wasn't for sure about anything anymore.

I want to stress the fact that I'm innocent. Meredith was my friend, and I could never have hurt her. I'm not the person that the prosecutor says I am.

And that's all I want to say. Thank you.

Amanda Knox statement in court.

This girl reminds me so much of Casey Anthony it is scary.

 

[arielilane]

If it was one of her boyfriends knives unless Guede had been to his house how could he have planted anything??

Exactly

 

[Isabella]

Darnudes thanks for that...it was...interesting lol

 

[Isabella]

Exactly

My point being..its not likely..seeing as the knives i believe was from her bfs collection that Guede could have taken the knife and then framed them. Although funnily enough...Amanda did accuse her bf of maybe puttin a knife in her hand while she slept..and the police werent interrogating her at the time

 

[Brwnigirl]

Darnudes, thank you for that email.
When you said earlier that it was telling, in which way did you mean?
Am wondering why the comforter on this person's Stefano's bed had blood. In this email, Amanda did not express any grief for Meredith but I don't think that necessarily means anything.
Not sure I really see much here. The cell phone thing doesn't jump out as a blatant lie for me. If one was out of service, it may not have registered an incoming call.

 

[Isabella]

Darnudes, thank you for that email.
When you said earlier that it was telling, in which way did you mean?
Am wondering why the comforter on this person's Stefano's bed had blood. In this email, Amanda did not express any grief for Meredith but I don't think that necessarily means anything.
Not sure I really see much here. The cell phone thing doesn't jump out as a blatant lie for me. If one was out of service, it may not have registered an incoming call.

For starters we know she wasnt at her boyfriends til 10.30. We also know she wasnt downloading films and her boyfriend has said he doesnt know where she was when it was put to him that he had lied about downloading films. In addition..they didnt ring the cops when they said they did apparently.

 

[darnudes]

Darnudes, thank you for that email.
When you said earlier that it was telling, in which way did you mean?
Am wondering why the comforter on this person's Stefano's bed had blood. In this email, Amanda did not express any grief for Meredith but I don't think that necessarily means anything.
Not sure I really see much here. The cell phone thing doesn't jump out as a blatant lie for me. If one was out of service, it may not have registered an incoming call.

Your welcome

Telling for me,

She lies about the duration of her calls to Merideth.
She was supposed to call Filomena back and doesn't, eventually Filomena has to call her back.
She attempts to make up a story re the mop and bucket.
She shows little regard for Merideth.
She shows enormous regard for herself. Read the email again and it is really all about her.
She clumsily states her whereabouts:

after a little while of playing guitar me and raffael went to his
house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the
evening and night indoors. we didnt go out

We "generally" spend the evening and night indoors (envening and night are one and the same)

What does "generally" mean? Either you spent the night indoors or you didn't.

"We didn't go out"

She has already said they spent the evening at home. Why the need to reinforce the fact?

In my opinion she is lying most of the way through this email.

 

[Nova]

IMO, you always should (demand proof of claims). Some people, including myself, have poor memories. Others just make crap up. Nobody here I've found, but it does happen....

What I meant was that I know it's annoying when newbies arrive and start demanding a link for every piece of info that is already well known among experience posters. In my defense, I was pointing out that I had not done that.

In fact, you and LM and Isabelle (the three posters who've replied to me in the greatest length) have all been rather careful to distinguish between well-established facts, claims from trial testimony, and mere rumors that were briefly mentioned at some point in the past. That earns credibility in my book.

 

[arielilane]

It was in evidence presented at trial.

Will try and find the link.

Yeah, “the evidence”... if that what they want to call it.

 

[Steely Dan]

Clips from her email;

after a little while of playing guitar me and raffael went to his
house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the
evening and night indoors. we didnt go out. the next morning i woke up
around 1030 and after grabbing my few things i left raffael's
appartment and walked the five minute walk back to my house to once
again take a shower and grab a chane of clothes. i also needed to grab
a mop because after dinner raffael had spilled a lot of water on the
floor of his kitchen by accident and didnt have a mop to clean it up.

Soooooo, they spill a lot (her words) of water and wait 12 hours for a mop? :waitasec:

To me it's setting up an excuse if the police receive info. that she was seen carrying a mop. Hinky meter goes to 11.

One of his neighbors didn't have a mop? They didn't have paper towels? There were no stores with mops open? I don't know. If it were me and those weren't options I'd have insisted we go to her place immediately to get the mop. IMO, you'd have to be close to slob #1 to leave the floor full of water all night.



i was putting back the dryer that i noticed the
**** that was left in the toilet, something that definately no one in
out house would do. i started feeling a little uncomfortable and so i
grabbed the mop from out closet and lef the house, closing and locking
the door that no one had come back through while i was in the shower,
and i returned to raffael's place. after we had used the mop to clean
up the kitchen i told raffael about what i had seen in the house over
breakfast. the strange blood in the bathroom, the door wide open, the
**** left in the toilet.

When I see something like that I get grossed out a little and flush it. That's just me though.

the police told us to go to the station to give testimony,
which i did. i was in a room for six hours straight after that without
seeing anyone else, answering questions in italian for the first hour
and then they brought in an interpreter and he helped my out with the
details that i didnt know the words for

I'm almost positive that most of the reports from America say she didn't get an interpreter til much, much later. These are HER words though.

 

[darnudes]

Absolutely Steely Dan,

Stick to her words and her words only, leave out everything else and there is lie upon lie upon lie.

1. Her statements to police, where her story has changed many times
2. Her email to her friends
3. Her statements in court

Why does she continually lie?

 

[Isabella]

Absolutely Steely Dan,

Stick to her words and her words only, leave out everything else and there is lie upon lie upon lie.

1. Her statements to police, where her story has changed many times
2. Her email to her friends
3. Her statements in court

Why does she continually lie?

If you tell the truth about something..you dont need to remember the lies.

JMO

 

[darnudes]

Yeah, “the evidence”... if that what they want to call it.

Yes evidence.

No difference, what so ever, to what would be called evidence in America.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

That's a lot of blood on that photo. Not just on the sink-I see blood on the floor, toilet, wall and I guess a waste basket (or some sort of storage container) behind the toilet.

I just saw the picture of the bathroom with all the blood - I thought part of the evidence was that AK and the boyfriend bought two jugs of bleach and had spent a good deal of time cleaning up the crime scene. Would that have been their idea of cleaning up? Or did they just speculate that they cleaned stuff up outside of the crime scene?

 

[Nova]

Because it may be in America doesnt mean it is in other countries. And if they dont..theres nothing wrong with it..its there country and there laws and if people dont like there laws..then just dont go there. Tis simple really.

I don't think Italian procedures are "wrong" or unfair just because they are different from procedures in the U.S. or U.K.

But surely people have a right to point out and protest what they believe to be judicial inequity--anywhere they find it.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Wow! That e-mail is something. She over provides details imo. People do that when they're lying. And the e-mail is all about herself. She's truly cold-hearted.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

So most of the blood was in the basin rather than the shower itself?

I certainly don't check my sink before I get into the shower. Nor do I scan the bathroom for blood. Just careless, I guess.

Maybe your computer is not registering color. I'd go back and look at the photos - nobody could miss that amount of blood smeared all over their bathroom and I would bet that a blind person could smell it. A picture is worth a thousand words they say. I would not have been able to shower in that bathroom and would have gone running out of the place looking for help. If I had not been there before, I would think someone could still be in the house.

Okay now I read where they say the bathroom looked like that because of the spray the detectives used. So sorry but that was alarming! I would never believe that someone could ignore the room the way it was pictured there.