Broken once or twice?

[Holdontoyourhat]

"Okay, how does this hit you: the autopsy report said that there were no marks on her wrists from the cord."

Nobody's bothered to consider how the garrote and second ligature may have worked as a combination weapon. Everybody's pretty much jumped to the conclusion that the cord was merely a staging prop.

"You mean the cord was not as it appeared? "

The cord was IMO exactly as it appeared: discarded after use.

 

[Britt]

Nobody's bothered to consider how the garrote and second ligature may have worked as a combination weapon.

And how would that prevent wrist marks?

The cord was IMO exactly as it appeared:

Well it appeared loose and useless. How would it restrain?

discarded after use.

Discarded? It was right there on her wrist.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And how would that prevent wrist marks?


Well it appeared loose and useless. How would it restrain?

Good questions.

"Maybe an intruder with anarchist anger, keen knowledge of The Crime of the Century, and recent encounter with the Ramseys might explain a garrot first, head bash second, and leave behind a declaration of victory for his buddies."

Except whomever the writer was couldn't even decide what KIND of terrorist they were, Rupert! The "foreign" and "beheading" business were designed (imo) to suggest Islamic militants. The "fat cat" angle seems to suggest socialist/communist anarchists!

Its not that the writer couldn't decide. The writer wanted it known that it was a small foreign group of individuals that don't respect this country.

Identification of which small foreign group would invite an investigation, would it not?

While you point out the writer couldn't decide, the writer was actually avoiding what would have been a local inquiry. Thats not very complicated.

BTW you forgot "Victory!" What does that suggest? Revolutionary?

 

[rashomon]

Good questions.

Its not that the writer couldn't decide. The writer wanted it known that it was a small foreign group of individuals that don't respect this country.

Identification of which small foreign group would invite an investigation, would it not?

While you point out the writer couldn't decide, the writer was actually avoiding what would have been a local inquiry. Thats not very complicated.

BTW you forgot "Victory!" What does that suggest? Revolutionary?

You seem to be the only one around who really believes in the existence of that small foreign faction, Holdontoyourhat.
So you believe the writer and the 'two gentlemen' all squeezed themselves through the basement window?
And do you think any terrorist group would have written nonsense like "we respect your business"? Do you think Osama Bin Laden would write to the owner of a big American company "I respect your business but not the country that it serves?"

The cord was IMO exactly as it appeared: discarded after use.

No it wasn't. It was still on JonBenet's body, with one loop tied on top of her sleeve.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You seem to be the only one around who really believes in the existence of that small foreign faction, Holdontoyourhat.
So you believe the writer and the 'two gentlemen' all squeezed themselves through the basement window?
And do you think any terrorist group would have written nonsense like "we respect your business"? Do you think Osama Bin Laden would write to the owner of a big American company "I respect your business but not the country that it serves?"


No it wasn't. It was still on JonBenet's body, with one loop tied on top of her sleeve.

Not to disagree, but IMO if the truth were known the small foreign faction would really be a small foreign cult.

Nobody used the window, IMO they had a key.

OBL didn't kill JBR, so what he would write is not relevant.

The perp was finished using the cord. It was discarded, along with JBR, in a corner of the basement, as opposed to having placed it on her as a prop or as staging (which is only a theory, not fact).

 

[rashomon]

Not to disagree, but IMO if the truth were known the small foreign faction would really be a small foreign cult.

Nobody used the window, IMO they had a key.

OBL didn't kill JBR, so what he would write is not relevant.

The perp was finished using the cord. It was discarded, along with JBR, in a corner of the basement, as opposed to having placed it on her as a prop or as staging (which is only a theory, not fact).

HOTYH: But it is a fact that the cord was still on JB, (see the autopsy report). Do you believe Dr. Meyer put one wrist loop back on her sleeve and tampered with forensic evidence?

How did the foreign faction get a key to the Ramsey house?
And if they had a key, why were they so stupid not to snatch JB from her bed and get out of the house with their hostage at once? Kidnappers are usually in and out in a second. For obvious reasons they don't waste any time in the victim's home.

In your post, you speak of 'they' in one sentence, and then of 'the perp' in another sentence, using the singular. Just like the Ramseys did.
The reason for that imo is that the sexual assault scenario contradicts the kidnapping for ransom scenario. The Ramseys laid out too many red herrings in their note.

 

[BBB167893]

"Everybody's pretty much jumped to the conclusion that the cord was merely a staging prop."

Including some very knowledgable people!

"The writer wanted it known that it was a small foreign group of individuals that don't respect this country."

But it doesn't make any sense, HOTYH. It couldn't be a combination of Islamic militants AND social-anarchists. Not much crossover. The former are religious fascists; the latter are vaguely Marxist rebels.

"OBL didn't kill JBR, so what he would write is not relevant."

You misunderstood, HOTYH. Rashomon means that someone like a bin Laden, which parts of this note seem to suggest, would not bother to praise John's business. And let's not forget: it was around mid-1996 that the name "Osama bin Laden" really came to this country's attention. He would be a convenient inspiration.

"Nobody used the window, IMO they had a key."

Now you're talking. I find that scenario more believable.

 

[shiloh]

Nobody used the window, IMO they had a key.

And just how do you suppose this small foreign cult as you call it was able to get a key?

And a cult? It sounds like you're leaning towards a bizarre Christmas sacrifice at midnight theory. I suppose this is based on psalm 118?

 

[Rupert]

It definitely wasn't a foreign faction, but, it could have been "a small group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction".

Who knows, maybe it was a bunch of student reps.

If it was an intruder then I have my ideas.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, the only thing I can come up with in that regard is that "Ward Churchill" angle.

(Nice as it would be to pin this on him, it's kind of a dead-end.)

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And just how do you suppose this small foreign cult as you call it was able to get a key?

And a cult? It sounds like you're leaning towards a bizarre Christmas sacrifice at midnight theory. I suppose this is based on psalm 118?

I'm not leaning towards a bizarre Christmas midnight sacrifice. Psalm 118 IMO wasn't a factor. The perp's not a Christian or a Jew.

Everybody seems to think a cult is ruled out, but it isn't. In fact, the more bizarre the JBR murder is, the more likely a cult was behind it. Note how organized and elaborate the ransom note was, written within hours of a brutally violent child murder. Also note the author claims to having at least two followers supposedly willing to behead a child. There was never any need in any R coverup scenario to mention any followers, or the beheading of a child. Also note the cryptic, unintelligible 'Victory!' and 'SBTC,' with meanings only clear to its author.

The Manson Family
The People's Temple
The Solar Temple
Heaven's Gate

The list goes on...

 

[shiloh]

I'm not leaning towards a bizarre Christmas midnight sacrifice. Psalm 118 IMO wasn't a factor. The perp's not a Christian or a Jew.

Everybody seems to think a cult is ruled out, but it isn't. In fact, the more bizarre the JBR murder is, the more likely a cult was behind it. Note how organized and elaborate the ransom note was, written within hours of a brutally violent child murder. Also note the author claims to having at least two followers supposedly willing to behead a child. There was never any need in any R coverup scenario to mention any followers, or the beheading of a child. Also note the cryptic, unintelligible 'Victory!' and 'SBTC,' with meanings only clear to its author.

The Manson Family
The People's Temple
The Solar Temple
Heaven's Gate

The list goes on...

Well, it was Boulder, after all. But I just can't believe you're serious.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

There was never any need in any R coverup scenario to mention any followers, or the beheading of a child.

Yeah, there was - to make it sound like someone other than a Ramsey was the killer.

Just because the note says it doesn't make it so.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, there was - to make it sound like someone other than a Ramsey was the killer.

Just because the note says it doesn't make it so.

What's a more believable scenario? A single pedophile perp acting alone (like we hear of so often) or multiple foreign adults scheming on the kidnapping or murder of a 6 year old girl? If the R's were trying to be believalbe, they'd use the most believable scenario they could. Multiple adults acting together in agreement to kill a 6 year old girl is way out there.

Were the R's wanting it to look like a cult? Because the RN reads just like a cult. You've got a leader, at least 2 followers, unusual ideologically driven remarks, unusual violence, and cryptic messages.

 

[BBB167893]

"If the R's were trying to be believalbe, they'd use the most believable scenario they could."

The body itself was staged to look like a sex killer. The note was just the ramblings of someone desperate.

 

[Britt]

IMO the Ramseys just used the throw everything at the wall and see what sticks approach. They tried that with suspects, too.

 

[BBB167893]

IMO the Ramseys just used the throw everything at the wall and see what sticks approach. They tried that with suspects, too.

Pedophile, thrill killer, vengeful employee, Islamic militant, anarchist, greedy ransom kidnapper, etc.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

IMO the Ramseys just used the throw everything at the wall and see what sticks approach. They tried that with suspects, too.

No they didn't. The ransom note was very specific. Foreign faction, group of individuals, pay or she dies, beheading, fat cats, and Victory!. That was a taut, collected, and pointed ransom note. Anyone reading the note can't help but notice that its directed at JR and his morning activities. It wasn't a collection of 'everything' at all.

You can call it anything you wish, but it obviously wasn't a 'collection of everything'.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Pedophile, thrill killer, vengeful employee, Islamic militant, anarchist, greedy ransom kidnapper, etc.

Yes, yes, no, no, no, no, respectively.

 

[BBB167893]

"You can call it anything you wish, but it obviously wasn't a 'collection of everything'."

Tell it to the Feds. They agree with Britt. The body was staged to look like a pedophile, but had elements of ransom kidnapping. The note was heavy on ransom kidnapping, but had elements of Islamic terror and left-wing rhetoric tossed in.