Broken once or twice?

[Britt]

The ransom note was very specific. Foreign faction, group of individuals, pay or she dies, beheading, fat cats, and Victory!. That was a taut, collected, and pointed ransom note. Anyone reading the note can't help but notice that its directed at JR and his morning activities. It wasn't a collection of 'everything' at all.

If the ransom note were all there was to the crime, I guess the collection would be limited to:
ransom kidnapping
political kidnapping
business-related kidnapping
terrorist kidnapping
AG disgruntled employee (who knew JR's bonus amount) kidnapping, and
thrill-writer non-kidnapper who made the whole thing up.

But obviously there's more than the note.

Where does the pedophilia fit in here? Where does the murder fit in? What about all the various post-crime Ramsey offerings of suspects and theories?

They covered it all. What motive did they leave out? Well maybe burglary, but they covered that in their Atlanta caper.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

If the ransom note were all there was to the crime, I guess the collection would be limited to:
ransom kidnapping
political kidnapping
business-related kidnapping
terrorist kidnapping
AG disgruntled employee (who knew JR's bonus amount) kidnapping, and
thrill-writer non-kidnapper who made the whole thing up.

But obviously there's more than the note.

Where does the pedophilia fit in here? Where does the murder fit in? What about all the various post-crime Ramsey offerings of suspects and theories?

They covered it all. What motive did they leave out? Well maybe burglary, but they covered that in their Atlanta caper.

The collection you've listed above is your collection, not the ransom note author's. Its your interpretation of the ransom note.

My interpretation of the ransom note is that it was designed to prevent the R's from calling the cops (which didn't work), and placed in a position where the upstairs occupants of the house would find it before finding JBR (which did work). Thereby, the cops would be looking for JBR, instead of suspicious persons, at the state line or at the airport.

Its not that complicated.

The actual motive you can only guess at. Anybody who thinks they have the motive, like a coverup of a rage accident, is kidding themselves. That's because there's up to several hours unaccounted for between JBR was last seen, and the time she was murdered. We can only speculate, or guess, at what happened during those hours.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"You can call it anything you wish, but it obviously wasn't a 'collection of everything'."

Tell it to the Feds. They agree with Britt. The body was staged to look like a pedophile, but had elements of ransom kidnapping. The note was heavy on ransom kidnapping, but had elements of Islamic terror and left-wing rhetoric tossed in.

The idea that the body was staged at all is a claim. That's your opinion. My opinion is that JBR was discarded, along with the weapons, after the perp finished exploiting her in some way.

 

[narlacat]

You know what HOTYH, I was wrong.
I was wrong in saying people close to the case don't post here.
I am sure you are related to the R's, heck you might even be a R with some of the stuff you come out with.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You know what HOTYH, I was wrong.
I was wrong in saying people close to the case don't post here.
I am sure you are related to the R's, heck you might even be a R with some of the stuff you come out with.

Sorry, not related. BTW how hot is it in NSW Australia?

 

[narlacat]

Why, what makes you ask?

 

[Britt]

The actual motive you can only guess at.

Exactly. And the more options the better (for the Ramseys).

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Why, what makes you ask?

Uh, nevermind.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Exactly. And the more options the better (for the Ramseys).

There's not that many options, really. At least the pineapple, the change in clothing, and the writing on her hand nobody remembers, probably have to fit in to that time frame somehow. That time where she was exploited.

 

[narlacat]

Uh, nevermind.

I do mind.
Why do you ask or are you just being smart?
If you are implying the heat has got to my brain or something along those lines, it is winter here

 

[narlacat]

There's not that many options, really. At least the pineapple, the change in clothing, and the writing on her hand nobody remembers, probably have to fit in to that time frame somehow. That time where she was exploited.

It wasn't writing, it was supposed to be a heart, though I never saw it as a heart.
PR remembered it!
Then she didn't.
Or she didn't, then she did lol

 

[Brefie]

PR also saw it in the morning - which is funny because she was not found until the afternoon.

All I can say is I hope it was worth it.

 

[BBB167893]

"Its your interpretation of the ransom note."

Not just Britt's!

"My interpretation of the ransom note is that it was designed to prevent the R's from calling the cops (which didn't work)"

HOTYH, you're making my case! Not only did they call the cops when it said not to, they called a bunch of their friends!

"Anybody who thinks they have the motive, like a coverup of a rage accident, is kidding themselves."

I have a few thoughts. Nothing locked, though.

"The idea that the body was staged at all is a claim. That's your opinion."

Shared by guys who KNOW what staging looks like. Denver DA Norm Early is on my side, too.

"It wasn't writing, it was supposed to be a heart, though I never saw it as a heart.
PR remembered it!
Then she didn't.
Or she didn't, then she did lol"

Oh, darn! Narlacat, you beat me to it!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"Its your interpretation of the ransom note."

Not just Britt's!

"My interpretation of the ransom note is that it was designed to prevent the R's from calling the cops (which didn't work)"

HOTYH, you're making my case! Not only did they call the cops when it said not to, they called a bunch of their friends!

"Anybody who thinks they have the motive, like a coverup of a rage accident, is kidding themselves."

I have a few thoughts. Nothing locked, though.

"The idea that the body was staged at all is a claim. That's your opinion."

Shared by guys who KNOW what staging looks like. Denver DA Norm Early is on my side, too.

"It wasn't writing, it was supposed to be a heart, though I never saw it as a heart.
PR remembered it!
Then she didn't.
Or she didn't, then she did lol"

Oh, darn! Narlacat, you beat me to it!

I pay respect to the R's for calling 911, and completely violating the terms of the ransom note, and I encourage all others to do the same.

Or, we could all comply with ransom note demands, and make it a free-for-all for kidnappers everywhere. Thats a great idea!

With everybody on your side, how can you be wrong? I mean, you've got Denver DA Norm Early and other guys too!

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Yeah, those pesky kidnappers are everywhere. All the parents of kids stolen out of bed and left strangled and bludgeoned after a late night snack with a bogus ransom note and evidence indicating the parents need to not buckle under to fake demands - oh, wait, that's only ever happened to one child, JonBenet Ramsey.

How much would you respect the Rs if that ransom note had been authentic, and JonBenet's head had actually been cut off for their 911 call? Don't you find a bit odd that Patsy never once mentioned to the operator that the note said their daughter would be beheaded if they called the police?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, those pesky kidnappers are everywhere. All the parents of kids stolen out of bed and left strangled and bludgeoned after a late night snack with a bogus ransom note and evidence indicating the parents need to not buckle under to fake demands - oh, wait, that's only ever happened to one child, JonBenet Ramsey.

How much would you respect the Rs if that ransom note had been authentic, and JonBenet's head had actually been cut off for their 911 call? Don't you find a bit odd that Patsy never once mentioned to the operator that the note said their daughter would be beheaded if they called the police?

Are you saying that kidnapping for ransom crime has been eradicated? Are you saying its preferable or safer to comply with extortionists' demands?

I'd find it really strange if anyone actually made it thru 2 1/2 pages of that ransom note before calling 911. I'd make it to the 'we have your daughter' part and thats it. Sorry to disappoint you.

Besides, people these days are trained to call 911, and the reason IMO is because once the child they are responsible for is in danger, its seen as an obligatory duty. Its even questionable that if a parent who knows their child is in danger fails to call the police, they themselves could then come under suspicion.

Its a lose-lose for the R's. Call 911 and everyone thinks you endangered your kids. Don't call 911 while your 6 year old is in the hands of strangers, and LE later thinks you endangered your kids.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Are you saying that kidnapping for ransom crime has been eradicated? Are you saying its preferable or safer to comply with extortionists' demands?

Not at all. I was making a sarcastic comment that what happened in the Ramsey house was an isolated occurrence.

I'd find it really strange if anyone actually made it thru 2 1/2 pages of that ransom note before calling 911. I'd make it to the 'we have your daughter' part and thats it. Sorry to disappoint you.

I don't believe they didn't read it through. If your child's life is on the line and kidnappers left you a ransom note, you better read that whole thing straight through. Besides, Patsy was able to tell the operator how it ended and who signed it.

Besides, people these days are trained to call 911, and the reason IMO is because once the child they are responsible for is in danger, its seen as an obligatory duty. Its even questionable that if a parent who knows their child is in danger fails to call the police, they themselves could then come under suspicion.

This was 1996, not today. And it would help the parents look more resonsible if while calling 911 they relay all the information, including the threat to the child's life for calling 911 in the first place.

Its a lose-lose for the R's. Call 911 and everyone thinks you endangered your kids. Don't call 911 while your 6 year old is in the hands of strangers, and LE later thinks you endangered your kids.

Or they could have just told the operator their daughter's head would be cut off if the 'nappers knew they called 911. That would have changed my opinion a great deal. It's as if JonBenet's safety wasn't that much a concern - like they already knew she was dead. Or when they sent Burke out to the White's, supposedly thinking a kidnapper was watching them - as if they knew there was no one watching and no reason to fear for Burke's safety.

Personally, my other child would never leave my sight if I found a ransom note and his sister gone.

 

[Bev]

because John Ramsey didn't take the note seriously in the first place. How did he know it wasn't some organized crime and all the execs at the company were targeted? Of course, the small foreign faction said they respected his "bussiness" [sic] "but not the country it serves" as if Access Graphics exists to serve the country and not to make money - what nonsense!

 

[BBB167893]

"I pay respect to the R's for calling 911, and completely violating the terms of the ransom note, and I encourage all others to do the same."

I think you'll find that it was the way they did it that sets off alarm bells. They didn't even try to keep it inconspicuous. Besides, calling 911 is one thing, but inviting all those other people?

NP was merely making a point. Heck, since JB's murder, we've had all too many examples of how pedophile kidnappers operate, and not one of them even remotely resembles this case. As for ransom kidnappings, I doubt they're extinct as well. It's just that the two are different beasts.

"With everybody on your side, how can you be wrong? I mean, you've got Denver DA Norm Early and other guys too!"

Well, I've often asked myself that question. But I was merely giving you a chance. I gave you my side. What have you got?

 

[Cottonstar]

Twice, both ends are irregularly broken. this aspect is plainly visible to the eye, it needs no analysis.

It is also obvious there as been no attempt to smooth the ragged ends, and the surface of the stick appears unmodified.

I see nothing to suggest it has been whittled which as we know has BDI connotations.

The shards of wood found on the floor just outside of the wine-cellar originate from the stick and are consistent with a simple breaking or snapping.

As I remarked before it was not necessary for the stager to break the stick twice, or even at all.

The purpose of the stick could have been achieved whole.

.

UK-

Buy a paintbrush tomorrow and break it.

As I remarked before it was not necessary for the stager to break the stick twice, or even at all.

The purpose of the stick could have been achieved whole.

UK,
This certain piece of evidence should point you to the killer.