Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #10

[Medea]

Somehow I got it into my head that "Sam" was really juvie 2.

Juvenile 2's statements will be very, very interesting. Does he back up AR that they left together after a short time and that he never went into the house? What does he think about his semen being planted on Brooke's clothes? What did he know about AR and Jacques if anything? Did he know he was being photographed with AR or not?

 

[TisHerself]

M.J. went to elaborate plans to abduct, torture, rape and kill Brooke. If he intended to use that machine on Brooke...he had to have know that it would cause trauma. She would have eventually told, I'm sure there would have been an investigation. This can only mean he intended to kill her. (Just thinking out loud here) I was leaning more toward him not intending on killing her. But they just went about it too violently (talking about tieing her up, taesering her). I think he meant to kill her and he wanted to by a certain date. The question is why?

Right why? I also wonder why they went to all the elaborate schemes to do this, ( a month long set up through the internet, thinking she was going to meet a boy) If she went to her uncle's regularly to hang out with her cousin. Why the elaborate ruse? It's not like they had to coerce into going to the house. So I don't get this whole elaborate plan.:waitasec:

 

[Medea]

Right why? I also wonder why they went to all the elaborate schemes to do this, ( a month long set up through the internet, thinking she was going to meet a boy) If she went to her uncle's regularly to hang out with her cousin. Why the elaborate ruse? It's not like they had to coerce into going to the house. So I don't get this whole elaborate plan.:waitasec:

I can only think of two reasons:

1) He intended to kill her from the beginning.

2) He intended to hold her captive as a sex slave until she was either brainwashed like AR or killed.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is an article from Times Argus with a good timeline;

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/807050339/1002/NEWS01



From the article;

The following timeline of the case begins with the earliest known e-mails made public by police between Michael Jacques, Bennett's uncle who is now accused of kidnapping her, and a juvenile female that he had allegedly groomed for sex and used as an accomplice in Bennett's disappearance.

The timeline concludes with the discovery of Bennett's body Wednesday and police charging her uncle with her abduction.

Information presented in the timeline is compiled from police reports, police statements, court documents and various news reports on the case over the last 10 days. Many of the claims contained in the timeline are still alleged acts and have not been proven in court.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Thanks, Dark! That clears up a lot of questions and misinformation coming up today.

 

[dark_shadows]

This is one tough case to follow, poor Brooke my heart breaks for her. Regarding Monday's hearing, is this judge one who has given light sentences to sex offenders in the past? Is he the one Bill O'Rielly investigated?

Dearest Moe,
I posted these pages back, but here it is for those who missed it. As it was stated earlier, it is not the same judge (Cashman) that you are thinking of.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows




1 pm detention hearing hearing on monday.
First Assistant United States Attorney;
http://www.rarolc.net/contributors/bio.php?id=338

Gagnon's lawyer (Pacht);

http://www.hoffcurtis.com/




Articles about Judge Jerome Niedermeier;

http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9057740&pageNumber=2


http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1316401982

 

[Dante7]

I don't believe that it has anything to do with not being believed. I know some children are not believed. I think some victims do not want to come forward because they are ashamed...think it's their fault. Some people do not want their child to testify in court for fear the defense attorney will victimize again.

Agreed on all counts.

We can educate and inform all we want to, we can't make people act unless they want to or feel they can. Therein lies the challenge.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Right why? I also wonder why they went to all the elaborate schemes to do this, (a month long set up through the internet, thinking she was going to meet a boy) If she went to her uncle's regularly to hang out with her cousin. Why the elaborate ruse? It's not like they had to coerce into going to the house. So I don't get this whole elaborate plan.:waitasec:

He was planning to abduct/torture/murder Brooke all along. The month plus long planning stage was to this end.

Brooke probably was not getting along with AR at that point with the vile things coming out of AR's mouth about Brooke. Maybe the party and "Sam" was the only ruse they could think of to get Brooke to want to spend time with AR.

 

[Dante7]

I think "Sam" may actually be a bot that Brooke liked.

OK, you confused me. I t-h-i-n-k you meant to type "boy", correct?

But you really confused me because a "bot" is a computer program that is designed to carry out certain tasks on the internet, some of which may in fact simulate interaction to a limited degree (hearkening back to the "Eliza" computer program of the early/mid 80's).

 

[MCDRAW]

Here is an article from Times Argus with a good timeline;

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/807050339/1002/NEWS01



From the article;

The following timeline of the case begins with the earliest known e-mails made public by police between Michael Jacques, Bennett's uncle who is now accused of kidnapping her, and a juvenile female that he had allegedly groomed for sex and used as an accomplice in Bennett's disappearance.

The timeline concludes with the discovery of Bennett's body Wednesday and police charging her uncle with her abduction.

Information presented in the timeline is compiled from police reports, police statements, court documents and various news reports on the case over the last 10 days. Many of the claims contained in the timeline are still alleged acts and have not been proven in court.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

dark_shadows,

Thank you for posting this article.

MC

 

[MCDRAW]

Agreed on all counts.

We can educate and inform all we want to, we can't make people act unless they want to or feel they can. Therein lies the challenge.

You are exactly right.

 

[MCDRAW]

OK, you confused me. I t-h-i-n-k you meant to type "boy", correct?

But you really confused me because a "bot" is a computer program that is designed to carry out certain tasks on the internet, some of which may in fact simulate interaction to a limited degree (hearkening back to the "Eliza" computer program of the early/mid 80's).

Yes, I meant to type boy. I didn't notice it until I had posted it.

 

[becca]

You are exactly right.

Yes, but how do you get a mother to admit she is married to a child rapist/murderer? Women live with these men for many reasons.... the first is always money, the second is denial.... and then the almighty love.... but somewhere inside their minds they have to grasp they choose to live with a man that abuses their child.

 

[Medea]

Yes, but how do you get a mother to admit she is married to a child rapist/murderer? Women live with these men for many reasons.... the first is always money, the second is denial.... and then the almighty love.... but somewhere inside their minds they have to grasp they choose to live with a man that abuses their child.

You can't. Denial is a powerful force, more forceful than evidence. These women will never admit to themselves they "know" their children are being abused in the same way the Peterson's/Entwistles/Jensens, blah, blah, blah will never admit their sons are cold blooded killers.

It is much, much easier to believe that the world is against you and you/your family are unfairly persecuted than to admit that you either live with, love, or raised a monster.

 

[missVT77]

> There is no way to rehabilitate this guy. He has already fooled officials, therapists and his probation officer into believing he changed.

Sorry, this is from a while back. When I said that I hold out hope that someone who commits a sex crime could be rehabilitated and not basically tossed in prison and throw away the key, I mean that in general I hope that happens sometimes.

In this specific case I agree that there is no question of any chance for rehabilitating Jacques, of course. He is evil through and through and I'm sure will find a way to victimize and hurt people even in prison. Maybe his fellow inmates. He is just evil.

Also Gagnon. He must have known that fellow child- fan Jacques was involved in this girl's dissapearance and chose to help hide it rather then turn him in. That is not a moral fiber that I want ever back in society.

 

[MCDRAW]

Yes, but how do you get a mother to admit she is married to a child rapist/murderer? Women live with these men for many reasons.... the first is always money, the second is denial.... and then the almighty love.... but somewhere inside their minds they have to grasp they choose to live with a man that abuses their child.

I have no idea. I am not that type of woman/Mother so I can not begin to give you an answer.

 

[becca]

so then if we can't get thru to the mothers we must get thru to children that they can tell someone.... teachers, clergy, aunts, uncles, someone.... these kids feel all alone in the world. Abuse is a silent killer of children because adults look the other way, be it a parent, grandparent or teacher. if you suspect something (right or wrong) call LE.

 

[philamena]

Its supply and demand. If there was no demand (sicko viewers), then kids wouldn't be abused to meet the demand.

Beyond Belief,
Hello.
You are so right.
Too bad there are so many deviant people in the world.:furious:

 

[Medea]

so then if we can't get thru to the mothers we must get thru to children that they can tell someone.... teachers, clergy, aunts, uncles, someone.... these kids feel all alone in the world. Abuse is a silent killer of children because adults look the other way, be it a parent, grandparent or teacher. if you suspect something (right or wrong) call LE.

Nobody is going to like this answer, but we should stop glamorizing and airbrushing motherhood into a fairytale. Having children is NOT easy, it is not all birthday parties and scrapbooking. It is hard, very hard. It entails massive sacrifices that the weak willed, selfish, damaged are simply not able to manage. These women who let their children be abused should never have had them in the fist place, they are not emotionally capable of parenting.

 

[dark_shadows]

dark_shadows,

Thank you for posting this article.

MC

My very dearest MCDRAW,:blowkiss:
You are very welcome my friend.

I wanted to post it here before I made a thread for it.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

 

[Dante7]

In my opinion, someone viewing child is living more than just a fantasy. In order for someone to be "excited" while watching child means that there is something not right in that persons mind.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I am sorry but you cannot convince me that the majority of people who watch child do not take it to the next level most of the time.

How many people view child ?


How many child molesters exist?


The former easily outnumber the latter by a vast degree.

To use a less extreme example, how many people watch stuff like "Faces of Death", or view pics of murder victims and the like (and you'd have to agree that one would need to be at least a little off to gain pleasure from watching such things). How many of these people actually go out and kill someone?

I'd even bet (tho I've never studied this) that a similar percentage exists with the number of people who watch bestiality and those who actually commit the act.

The image on the computer screen is no longer enough, it moves to the children in the household, relatives, a child in the neighborhood, etc.

Actually, some studies indicate that the viewing of child may in fact act as an outlet for the desire to act, thereby acting as a preventative via sublimation.

But studies, I'll admit, do vary quite a bit, showing that the topic still needs further research. Estimated percentages of those arrested for possession who actually have molested children vary between 30 and 80 percent. No official consensus exists.

http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp632111.pdf

Again, not attempting to justify. Scum of both sorts- viewers and molesters, need to be hunted down and punished.