Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #9

[Beth Engleman]

I haven't and don't think I can read all the sick details on these threads, but did read earlier that Jacques had been charged and sent to prison in '93 for raping an older teen. Why the he$$ were any of Brooke's relatives allowing some rapist to come anywhere near her or any other kids?

Because in some families the women will accept a man for what he can provide and overlook a few flaws. Women with low self esteem who feel that ANY man is better than none.

Paying the bills and keeping the family together no matter how sick the situation might be, these women learn to accept anything....even murder rather than fight for the safety of the family.

I blame the women and other family members in this family who allowed these men access to the children. They should be prosecuted right along with the men.
I have no compassion nor sympathy whatsoever for them.

 

[Dante7]

I have no doubt there are more minor victims. MJ is pure evil and I think they should be comparing his DNA in every case across the country.

At the very least for states he's lived in or spent extended periods of time in.

I also think that it is not the first time he has killed. He was too comfortable doing all of this. The planning, the involvement of AR, RG, and the BF...plus ordering his torture "chamber", the orchestration of the abduction etc.. It seems to be too involved for an amateur.

True. He's been at this for some time, and if one does anything for a length of time, one will learn more, expand and branch out (look at hobbyists for a good example of that).

We've seen and account of his mentioning having killed before, but have no solid evidence for it yet. Still, I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Dante7]

No, he wouldn't! He needs to come up with answers to hundreds of thousands of questions before they stick the needle in his arm. He will do everyone a favor by coming completely clean about every sick and demented thing he has ever done in his lifetime. People deserve answers. He deserves torture plus more. He would be the only one to benefit if he offed himself.

Precisely! He needs to spill everything he knows- operations, resources, persons involved, more victims (I still have trouble believing that over all this time, given the implied scale of this thing, Juv1 was the only victim).


Lethal injection...goodness our execution methods don't match the enormity of the crimes involved some times. If I had my way this would start with a scalpel, a blowtorch, a pair of pliers and a copy of Krousher's "Physical Interrogation Techniques" and move forwards from there. Mere death would end his suffering too quickly.

 

[SieSie]

I could not agree with you more there!! They are on the "hit list" of the FBI now!

Makes me want to start some sort of "hit list" of my own. When we are looking for children that is always in the back of my mind. We do not dare venture into that territory. I know I never go to to find our missing...others might. I would like to get together a select group and have our credentials screened so we can go look for them. To me, we are dedicated and look in every place except there. We are leaving a stone unturned.

Hiya, SS! :seeya:

I wouldn't be able to look at the child to be of any help, but when I read your post, I had to comment that I'm scared sometimes just clicking on people's MySpaces and related links!! I checked out the extremerestraints site last night (where MJ bought his sick stuff) and was shocked! I didn't think I was THAT naiive, but WOW! Anyway, that's not even , yet I worry about having it on my computer!

I think you have a good idea - if there are people who can stomach viewing that kind of thing to help identify and save some of these abused and missing kids, then it would be a great help to LE, I would think. I know I couldn't do it, and I commend those in LE who have to face the horrors that I only read about (times like this when I'm grateful I can't really "picture things"). My prayers for all of them to have peace knowing they're helping save other innocent people.

 

[Dante7]

Yes, I do remember something about another child. Ashley

Missed this...


Who? Where mentioned?

 

[Dante7]

Just thinking outloud again...we haven't really mentioned ARs real father much. But I think someone said that the affidavit does have something where MJ mentions that the Mom had been talking to AR's real father. Maybe this statement where AR says "you wouldn't want anything to happen to Ash so don't let it to my Dad" is referring to her bio father...which leads me to believe she knew that MJ was the raueldom email.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Random question...if MJ and AR lived together, why all the emailing (if AR knew it was MJ)??

off the top of my head...

1.) I've e-mailed to people I live with when we were in the same building.

2.) E-mail is quieter than speaking- more surreptitious. If other people were in the house, it would make sense.

3.) E-mailing doesn't mean they were in the same place at the same time. One can access many types of accounts from remote locations.

If we have the times the e-mails were sent, we would deduce where the parties doing the e-mailing were. Also- we'd have a general idea of the pace of the discussion- look at one message and see how long it was before the response came, we'd have a basis for figuring out the movements of the participants. Which e-mails were sent from which computers where?

 

[Dante7]

AR didn't consider it as "abuse" or "enduring so much" at that point...in my opinion. Her mind didn't work that way anymore.

perhaps not consciously, but that doesn't mean that somewhere under the surface she didn't feel something along those lines, even if she didn't consciously know where those feelings came from.

Certainly she identified with MJ- plenty of occasions where people have come to ID with their oppressors- it's a fairly common psychological response.

But even identifying, she could have still on some level resented Brooke.

That doesn't rule out the seeing-Brooke-as-a-threat theory too, of course, and these two theories needn't be mutually exclusive.

 

[MCDRAW]

If there was evidence of this, it hasn't been released. It is possible that MJ and Denise were into that kind of thing which would have made it easier for him to order such. You would think that a grand plus change would have been seen by Denise on their bank statements and he could have told her they were for themselves to use. It is difficult to understand why he had them delivered to the house if he were worried about Denise finding out...but they would both be at work and AR would be home to get that delivery. Doesn't explain the CC statement tho.

Asking if an abductor/torturer/murderer would spend over a grand for his "big finish"...well...I can say the answer is...YES, he would. He is seeing this fantasy in his head for God knows how many years and he is going to see it thru to the end. He would spend any amount of money to make it happen and take any risk for it. Just like he did.

Maybe M.J. had a seperate bank account from Denise that she didn't have access too.

 

[Carrington]

Missed this...


Who? Where mentioned?

AR mentioned the name ASH in the latest affidavit. I was fishing to see if anyone else remember the name Ashley as being another child of Denise and ?.
Someone mentioned she may be around 8.

It's very hard to protect the minor children's identity in a case of this magnitude, involving so many different families, with multiple marriages and boyfriends.
IMO

 

[Dante7]

There was never a plan to "bring her in to Breck". There was a plan to abduct/torture/kill her.

Do we have solid evidence for this? I haven't looked at the affidavit yet (got home from dinner too late), but do we know they definitely planned to kill her, or just to abduct/torture/indoctrinate her? Do we know that Brooke's death wasn't accidental?

But...we do not know that Brooke had not already been a part of everything already.

True- we haven't seen any solid evidence one way or the other. I still doubt it, pending further information.

 

[MCDRAW]

Hiya, SS! :seeya:

I wouldn't be able to look at the child to be of any help, but when I read your post, I had to comment that I'm scared sometimes just clicking on people's MySpaces and related links!! I checked out the extremerestraints site last night (where MJ bought his sick stuff) and was shocked! I didn't think I was THAT naiive, but WOW! Anyway, that's not even , yet I worry about having it on my computer!

I think you have a good idea - if there are people who can stomach viewing that kind of thing to help identify and save some of these abused and missing kids, then it would be a great help to LE, I would think. I know I couldn't do it, and I commend those in LE who have to face the horrors that I only read about (times like this when I'm grateful I can't really "picture things"). My prayers for all of them to have peace knowing they're helping save other innocent people.

I also checked out extreme restraints....I am/was that naive. I also worry about that being on my computer. That is probably a good idea that SS had about looking for missing children. I couldn't do it. This case is already giving me nightmares. I honestly do not know how LE handles this day in and day out.

 

[evelyn24]

Interesting quote here - from someone who claims to be MJ's former probation officer:

I was Michael Jacques Probation Officer for a number of years...His present situation was highly predictable, I’m sorry to say. I retired in 2002, and stil have bad dreams about him, aggravated of course by the current situation.

Thank you for posting this link.
After reading the details of his 1993 conviction, I think it's a strong possibility he has raped and killed before Brooke.

 

[MCDRAW]

Okay so now Juv2 isn't there, MJ and AR tell her well let's go back to the house and see if he called or left a message. After a while, MJ heads upstairs. How does he get Brooke to go upstairs? Was the computer upstairs? Maybe MJ said oh hey JUV2 sent a email come up and read it. Brooke was under the impression that her and AR were going to get together with the boys. MJ was just giving them a lift around town. Not knowing that it was a setup.

A.R. said that M.J. asked Brooke to go upstairs with him. I think when they got her back home, they tied her up and he took her wherever he killed her.

 

[calidreamin]

Thank you for posting this link.
After reading the details of his 1993 conviction, I think it's a strong possibility he has raped and killed before Brooke.

I think it is possible he killed before also. After reading what his parole officer said it seems there were signs how dangerous he is way before this. Why would he only get 2 years for almost killing that woman? That is just very scary!:furious:

 

[gigi2009]

A.R. said that M.J. asked Brooke to go upstairs with him. I think when they got her back home, they tied her up and he took her wherever he killed her.

I wonder if AR helped MJ tie Brooke up, did either of them have any scratches or bruises; that's assuming Brooke managed to fight back.

 

[Dante7]

I also checked out extreme restraints....I am/was that naive. I also worry about that being on my computer.

Noting illegal in and of itself, I assure you. Everything there is designed for use by consenting adults.

I honestly do not know how LE handles this day in and day out.

Same way the social services people I know do-you get exposed to it over long periods of time, things don't shock you as much. Hey, that extremerestraints site would have shocked me ten, fifteen years ago. I just looked and thought "Wow, pricey. This is a site for the truly dedicated, not just the dabbler". Now, I only cleared the history on the laptop because I didn't want anyone else to stumble on to it by accident and make me go through the embarrassment of having to explain.

 

[Taximom]

I wonder if Brooke was drugged that morning. Did she drink coffee? Maybe they put something in her coffee. (That whole "throwing out the coffee" thing was weird to me.) Maybe that's why they were just watching tv for a little bit because they had to wait for the drugs to kick in. I guess we might find out when the autopsy reports are back.

Just random thoughts.

 

[calidreamin]

I wonder if Brooke was drugged that morning. Did she drink coffee? Maybe they put something in her coffee. (That whole "throwing out the coffee" thing was weird to me.) Maybe that's why they were just watching tv for a little bit because they had to wait for the drugs to kick in. I guess we might find out when the autopsy reports are back.

Just random thoughts.

Those are good thoughts TM:blowkiss:. She very well could have been drugged , that would have made it easier to control her.

 

[nanandjim]

I wonder if Brooke was drugged that morning. Did she drink coffee? Maybe they put something in her coffee. (That whole "throwing out the coffee" thing was weird to me.) Maybe that's why they were just watching tv for a little bit because they had to wait for the drugs to kick in. I guess we might find out when the autopsy reports are back.

Just random thoughts.

Interesting. I never thought of that. I did wonder why she would willingly go upstairs with him. It really looked like she did not trust him (in the convenience store video). She had her arms crossed (like a self-protective mode); and she kind of stepped away from him.

What I don't understand is why AR never questioned why they had to lie to Brooke and deceive her about some boy and some party. Why didn't they use the "Breckenridge" scam on her??

 

[MCDRAW]

I must say, today I do feel more compassion for Brooke's mom. Don't take it to mean a lot of...just some. The anger is wearing off and more facts are coming in.

I feel sorry for Brooke's Mom too. As far as I know Gagnon, the step-Dad, has never been charged with a sexual crime. She may have not had a clue where he is concerned. If Brooke's sister wasn't initiated into this program then maybe the mom kept her and Brooke away from M.J. as much as she could. ( I would not have let my children around him at all). But I know these sexual predators are con men. Con men can convince you of anything. That is how they lure so many victims. I stated in an earlier thread about a friend of mine becoming good friends with the child molester that lived next door to her. When I confronted her she told me that she really thinks he is innocent. I trold her that is what he wanted her to think. She continued to be friends with him and his family. Thankfully he has moved now before anything could happen to her children. Hindsight is 20/20 I'm sure they are all thinking back and seeing things that are red flags to them now. I know for a fact that not everyone looks up the sex offender registry. What is a red flag to those of us on Ws means nothing to other people. My family doesn't really pay attention to crime and they certainly don't listen when I try to warn them. My sister is very trusting...lets her kids go everywhere and really doesn't watch them. They say my brother and I are overprotective because we don't let our kids do anything.