Burke Ramsey Files 750 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against CBS

[sgrump]

It's Dr Phil who claimied Burke was 'socially awkward' and he even specified it was because of Jonbenet's death. Now that would require him access to the pre death medical records that Dr Beuf claimed were stolen from his safety deposit box.

Something is wrong with Burke now and was wrong with Burke then and that's why he hit Jonbenet.

 

[icedtea4me]

I can think of several cases that have been discussed right here on Websleuths were a parent participated in attempting a coverup for a partner who caused the death of a child.

As for Burke smiling on Dr. Phil, I remember an interview John gave shortly after JonBenét died where he pronounced her name wrong.

Is this the interview?

[video=youtube;mS6wdmUzsI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS6wdmUzsI0&t=28s[/video]

00:22-00:23

John: "To those of you who may want to ask, let me address very directly, I did not kill my daughter, JonBenet. There have also been innuendoes that she has has been or was sexually molested. I can tell you those were the most hurtful uh innuendoes uh to us as a family uh. They are totally false. Uh JonBenI, JonBenet and I had a very close uh relationship uh, I will miss her dearly for the rest of my life."

In his book A Mother Gone Bad, Dr Hodges states (paraphrased) that at the moment in the interview when John has to convey the message that he maintained an appropriate distance from his daughter, his slip of JonBenI says otherwise.

 

[Userid]

It's Dr Phil who claimied Burke was 'socially awkward' and he even specified it was because of Jonbenet's death. Now that would require him access to the pre death medical records that Dr Beuf claimed were stolen from his safety deposit box.

Something is wrong with Burke now and was wrong with Burke then and that's why he hit Jonbenet.

Do you know what "socially awkward" means?

 

[UKGuy]

It's Dr Phil who claimied Burke was 'socially awkward' and he even specified it was because of Jonbenet's death. Now that would require him access to the pre death medical records that Dr Beuf claimed were stolen from his safety deposit box.

Something is wrong with Burke now and was wrong with Burke then and that's why he hit Jonbenet.

sgrump,
Correct! Just you tell it as you see it.

Also for all you I Wish it Was PDI theorists. Dr Phil filmed an extra episode so to explain why Burke was not mad or bad just socially awkward as a consequence of JonBenet's death and all the media attention etc.

Twitter, Facebook anf YouTube had lift-off when they saw Burke smiling like a Chesire Cat saying JonBenet was flaunting herself at pageants.

Even as an adult Burke still has no empathy towards JonBenet, and needed Dr Phil to save the day, then again thats what he gets paid for, i.e. TV PR jobs.

JR hoped to bury BDI by putting Burke up for interview by Dr Phil. It was all rehearsed in advance the questions and answers were scripted, cue Dr Phil and Burke walking in unison and talking privately for the promo videos.

Except Burke's could not care less attitude, with his toothpaste grin for the cameras, contrasted with excerpts from old interviews and raised more questions than answers.

Being charitable, Burke is on medication so smiles a lot, and has some kind of disorder?

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[UKGuy]

Do you know what "socially awkward" means?

Userid,
Sure thats Dr Phil's code for the case is not BDI.


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[Userid]

sgrump,
Correct! Just you tell it as you see it.

Also for all you I Wish it Was PDI theorists. Dr Phil filmed an extra episode so to explain why Burke was not mad or bad just socially awkward as a consequence of JonBenet's death and all the media attention etc.

Twitter, Facebook anf YouTube had lift-off when they saw Burke smiling like a Chesire Cat saying JonBenet was flaunting herself at pageants.

Even as an adult Burke still has no empathy towards JonBenet, and needed Dr Phil to save the day, then again thats what he gets paid for, i.e. TV PR jobs.

JR hoped to bury BDI by putting Burke up for interview by Dr Phil. It was all rehearsed in advance the questions and answers were scripted, cue Dr Phil and Burke walking in unison and talking privately for the promo videos.

Except Burke's could not care less attitude, with his toothpaste grin for the cameras, contrasted with excerpts from old interviews and raised more questions than answers.

Being charitable, Burke is on medication so smiles a lot, and has some kind of disorder?

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The bold is oxymoronic. If he wanted to "bury" it, he wouldn't have allowed his son on national TV. Let's use common sense here.

Being "socially awkward" is in no way indicative of sinister motives or even sustained emotional instability; it's a common condition that exhibits itself differently in certain actions/behavior from person to person.

 

[Userid]

Userid,
Sure thats Dr Phil's code for the case is not BDI.


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Not really; it's his explanation why BR is smiling and nothing more. Obviously, it needed to be explained, considering how people still babble endlessly about it.

 

[UKGuy]

One reason it caught on to such an extent is it is the only theory that hadn't been beat over the world's head yet for years on end. The only theory to offer tons of money, ratings, and controversy this late in the game.


One other thing....

Don't assume everyone believes it because they don't. Many people left the crime sites when BDI started dominating every discussion. The forming echo chambers make it appear as if a majority believe in BDI.

To answer your last question....

There is no evidence that points to him. That is the theory's main problem.


No it isn't. If it did, BDI would've been the most popular theory for 20 years....not one year.



It doesn't explain any of it although we've been over that. There's actually zero forensic evidence that leans towards BDI but you know this already.

Uhh...no. You can have PDI and it have absolutely nothing to do with Burke. ALL the evidence allows this.



There's nothing to indicate Burke was in on the staging and coverup. NOTHING....yet you say it as if it were fact.

All the 911 call proves is he got out of bed and walked in there during the call....yet you have him involved in the staging....and its "for sure".

singularity,

It doesn't explain any of it although we've been over that. There's actually zero forensic evidence that leans towards BDI but you know this already.

I can cite JonBenet being dressed in Burke's long johns. Burke's touch-dna on the pink barbie nightgown which allegedly magicked itself out of the dryer. Burke's fingerprints on the tea-glass and pineapple bowl. Maybe his touch-dna is on those long-johns too, note they just tell us about the alleged intruder dna, not any Ramsey dna, we will get that info one day.

Uhh...no. You can have PDI and it have absolutely nothing to do with Burke. ALL the evidence allows this.

Sure if your name is Spock and you want to invent a parallel universe that rules out stuff happening.

BDI All specifies PDI as a sub component of that theory. Its simple Patsy was staging Burke out of JonBenet's homicide and inadvertently left enough forensic evidence that can be interpreted as PDI.

JDI same applies as JR's fibers were on JonBenet's thighs, again he was helping cover for Burke, so left some evidence behind.

We have PR, JR and BR all linked by forensic evidence to the wine-cellar, no smoking gun, but if the case were IDI, then those links should not exist.

To disprove BDI All you must show how PR and JR colluded to stage JonBenet's death in the wine-cellar, explaining the size-12's, Burke's long johns, sexual assault, etc.

That is its not a simple PDI where Patsy loses it after a few glasses of wine!

There's nothing to indicate Burke was in on the staging and coverup. NOTHING....yet you say it as if it were fact.

Again, size-12's: Burke could have put them on, male long johns: again Burke could have put these on, sexual assault: again Burke could have done this, as per Coroner Meyer's verbatim remarks about Digital Penetration, 911 Call: parents and Burke said he was asleep, then whoops he was awake, so he is colluding in the postmortem staging and his fathers latest version of events, as per Dr Phil.

The case can be interpreted as BDI All, the evidence permits this, its not like I'm Gene Rodenberry and just imagined it all?

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[UKGuy]

The bold is oxymoronic. If he wanted to "bury" it, he wouldn't have allowed his son on national TV. Let's use common sense here.

Being "socially awkward" is in no way indicative of sinister motives or even sustained emotional instability; it's a common condition that exhibits itself differently in certain actions/behavior from person to person.

Userid,
Sure socially awkward might just be another neutral behavioural indicator, but when paired directly with JonBenet's homicide, it raises red flags.

Myabe it means nothing, but for the Ramsey's it was so bad they got Dr Phil to do a recovery episode, e.g. he is really a sweet, nice guy, just a bit misunderstood due to the media coverage?

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[UKGuy]

Not really; it's his explanation why BR is smiling and nothing more. Obviously, it needed to be explained, considering how people still babble endlessly about it.

Userid,
Nope. Credit viewers with some savvy. Burke's performance was not what either JR or Dr Phil had hoped for. They never saw the storm coming, patently because they thought Burke's remarks about JonBenet flaunting herself and him grinning ear to ear was OK?

Viewers realized how Burke was being presented contrasted with what he said and how he behaved.

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[Userid]

Zero proof the R's "made" Dr. Phil do the extra episode.

Zero proof JR "made" BR go on Dr. Phil to "bury" his involvement on national TV no less; again, that makes absolutely zero sense and is devoid of any common sense whatsoever.

 

[UKGuy]

Zero proof the R's "made" Dr. Phil do the extra episode.

Zero proof JR "made" BR go on Dr. Phil to "bury" his involvement on national TV no less; again, that makes absolutely zero sense and is devoid of any common sense whatsoever.

Userid,
mmm. all warm words. You should check out what Dr Phil does for a living, why he setup his own company, etc. He is a reputation consultant, he gets people ready for the jury, he makes them look good on TV.

Well thats the idea, but it never worked in Burke's case. Check out Dr Phil's media contract with other global media players like DailyMail, and the rest that purchased broadcast rights to BR's interview. JR was in charge with Dr Phil acting as a media consultant, i.e. thats his day job.

Burke Ramsey was simply at the bottom of the media feeding chain, with JR, Dr Phil, and other corporate entities carving up the fees between them, all legal and above board.

Except it trashed Burke Ramsey's reputation!

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[Userid]

The question isn't whether Dr. Phil is a hack. He is.

The question is, does BR smiling prove he murdered his sister when he was nine years old? No. It proves he's socially awkward, like the millions upon millions of Americans in this country.

If JR wanted it "buried," he simply wouldn't have allowed BR to do the interview. It would have stayed buried. BR more than likely acted on his own accord when he accepted the interview, just as he is in his lawsuit against Spitz.

 

[singularity]

You can't make sense of a senseless murder, so I was trying to make sense of the actions after, and covering for Burke fits for me..

Well you're certainly not alone. I'm the type to wait for at least a miniscule shred of evidence for BDI to fit for me.

Before Kolar I don't think I ever considered it

Yeah...that's the point. No one investigating the case ever took BDI seriously....mainly because there's nothing leading to BDI. Kane, a person many BDI sleuths like for some reason, found it absurd. So did Garnett. BDI was laughed at by all until Kolar showed up. Kolar didn't uncover a bunch of new evidence. He didn't uncover any new evidence. So how does everyone and their grandma find it laughable until Kolar investigates the case for several months and later writes a book?

And I think a lot of the public or followers of the case didn't think of him either.

Oh they thought of him...he's part of the story. They just didn't think he killed her. It took a documentary leaving out tons of info for them to consider it.

In most cases, it requires additional evidence to lead to a specific person. In this case, it requires you to subtract.

Let's use common sense here.
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A once complex case has been reduced to long johns, poopy pants, and a bowl of pineapple.


Common sense was thrown out the window long ago.

 

[Userid]

^ Hah, true Singularity.

 

[singularity]

Also for all you I Wish it Was PDI theorists.


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No matter how much you desire to wish it all away, the 'I Wish it Was PDI theorists" have something called evidence in their corner.

You can dance around those long johns and bowl of pineapple til the cows come home but its not going to change that fact.

JR hoped to bury BDI by putting Burke up for interview by Dr Phil.

Uhh...no. BDI is the gift that will keep on giving to John. Had the Ramseys known people would fall for it to this extent, they'd have created an environment for it to flourish years ago. It now paints a picture of John and Patsy as background characters and lets them off the hook.

Make a ton of cash and keep peoples eyes off John as he heads off into the sunset. This is the dream scenario for John. Its as close as a murder suspect can get to winning the lottery.

Bury it? he aint gonna kick this gift horse in the mouth.

You used to be hardcore JDI. Now you act as if he barely existed that night. BDI works wonders for the Ramseys.

John knew how Burke was going to come across on TV. You're acting like his plan backfired. Please....

Nope. Credit viewers with some savvy. Burke's performance was not what either JR or Dr Phil had hoped for. They never saw the storm coming...

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Wow. You are really naive.

 

[Swirlz]

Is this the interview?

[video=youtube;mS6wdmUzsI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS6wdmUzsI0&t=28s[/video]

00:22-00:23

John: "To those of you who may want to ask, let me address very directly, I did not kill my daughter, JonBenet. There have also been innuendoes that she has has been or was sexually molested. I can tell you those were the most hurtful uh innuendoes uh to us as a family uh. They are totally false. Uh JonBenI, JonBenet and I had a very close uh relationship uh, I will miss her dearly for the rest of my life."

In his book A Mother Gone Bad, Dr Hodges states (paraphrased) that at the moment in the interview when John has to convey the message that he maintained an appropriate distance from his daughter, his slip of JonBenI says otherwise.

Thanks. That was it. I didn't even try to look for it. I hadn't seen it in 20 yrs. Interesting.

 

[singularity]

I can cite JonBenet being dressed in Burke's long johns

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Oh please. In half your posts you freely admit that the long johns mean nothing and she was likely already wearing them. In the other half of your posts, you act as if they're verging on a smoking gun.

Its a great example of how flimsy the BDI theory really is.

Sure if your name is Spock and you want to invent a parallel universe that rules out stuff happening.

There is no evidence that can rule out Patsy committing this crime. NONE. ZILCH. NADA. There is a bunch of evidence that has less than nothing to do with Burke.

This is why you have to enter BDI fantasy mode and create a picture of Patsy doing all the dirty work....then in the next breath you'll say nothing leads to PDI.

There's no consistency. No method to the madness.

To disprove BDI All

All one has to do to disprove BDI ALL is a mere glance at the evidence. This is why literally no one but Kolar in 20 years ever took it seriously.

inadvertently left enough forensic evidence that can be interpreted as PDI.

Enough? More like 'all'. There is no forensic evidence leading to Burke killing her. In your world she removed all this Burke evidence but inadvertently left just enough to interpret as BDI.

That dog doesn't even come close to hunting.

JDI same applies as JR's fibers were on JonBenet's thighs, again he was helping cover for Burke, so left some evidence behind.

Except there's nothing to indicate this is remotely true.

In most of your scenarios John is in bed with sugar plums dancing in his head. Due to no actual evidence in 'BDI All's favor, you've decided to wake him up and get him down in that hellhole covering for Burke.

This is more leapfrogging that BDI is known for. It jumps back and forth between different scenarios in an attempt to make sense.

It's not working.

The case can be interpreted as BDI All

No it cant.

the evidence permits this

No it doesn't. Its why you have to say Patsy did everything yet say BDI ALL. Makes no sense.

Its also why BDI has to continuously run in such small circles. Before BDI took over, there were lengthy discussions on a wide variety of evidence. Its now been reduced to the long johns, size 12s, and a bowl of fruit.

If John's reading this stuff he's laughing his off.

 

[singularity]

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that's why you work so hard on dispicibly discrediting well proven PDI/JDI evidence.
its just sabotage and I wish a moderater would come back and get this forum back on track for facts and no lies and fantasies.

My main issue with it is BDI dominates ALL discussion. A couple months ago a few people attempted to discuss other areas of the case. The note, suitcase, Dec. 23rd, Patsy's mental state, etc. Each time it immediately got hijacked into Burke discussion.

This is why people are walking away from this case. If you want to discuss the Ramsey case but not focus 100% on Burke you're poop out of luck.

BDI has been completely run into the ground.

 

[UKGuy]

Oh please. In half your posts you freely admit that the long johns mean nothing and she was likely already wearing them. In the other half of your posts, you act as if they're verging on a smoking gun.

Its a great example of how flimsy the BDI theory really is.

There is no evidence that can rule out Patsy committing this crime. NONE. ZILCH. NADA. There is a bunch of evidence that has less than nothing to do with Burke.

This is why you have to enter BDI fantasy mode and create a picture of Patsy doing all the dirty work....then in the next breath you'll say nothing leads to PDI.

There's no consistency. No method to the madness.

All one has to do to disprove BDI ALL is a mere glance at the evidence. This is why literally no one but Kolar in 20 years ever took it seriously.

Enough? More like 'all'. There is no forensic evidence leading to Burke killing her. In your world she removed all this Burke evidence but inadvertently left just enough to interpret as BDI.

That dog doesn't even come close to hunting.

Except there's nothing to indicate this is remotely true.

In most of your scenarios John is in bed with sugar plums dancing in his head. Due to no actual evidence in 'BDI All's favor, you've decided to wake him up and get him down in that hellhole covering for Burke.

This is more leapfrogging that BDI is known for. It jumps back and forth between different scenarios in an attempt to make sense.

It's not working.

No it cant.


No it doesn't. Its why you have to say Patsy did everything yet say BDI ALL. Makes no sense.

Its also why BDI has to continuously run in such small circles. Before BDI took over, there were lengthy discussions on a wide variety of evidence. Its now been reduced to the long johns, size 12s, and a bowl of fruit.

If John's reading this stuff he's laughing his off.

singularity,

No it doesn't. Its why you have to say Patsy did everything yet say BDI ALL. Makes no sense.

I never ever said Patsy did everything. I said Burke Did It All, i.e. BDI All. Patsy simply staged away what Burke had done, staging a homicide in the wine-cellar!

Patsy and John in BDI All, are mere crime-scene stagers. They do not kill JonBenet, Burke did that, they just relocate JonBenet from upstairs to the basement, clean her up, wrap her in the blanket and put her in the wine-cellar, then author a ransom note, hoping it explains why JonBenet went from her bedroom to the wine-cellar, e.g. nasty intruder.

BDI All is not fact, neither is PDI they are just theories. Its stuff, given the worlds current disposition, that could have happened. Then again maybe the case is JDI and JR is a master criminal who has hoodwinked Kolar, Steve Thomas et al, and played a master game of cat and mouse with the media.

I hope to find out one day, as the truth will out. Once JR passes it will be open season in the media and Burke will get calls to do interviews about his parents behavior, good or bad.

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