Burke Ramsey Files 750 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against CBS

[Sherlockknows]

The whole thing about the window wasn't premeditated. John never even mentioned it or the suitcase until months later. In my opinion the suitcase was kept under the window but Fleet moved it when looking for glass. He also said that he put one small glass fragment on the window sill, but I'll bet he actually put it on the suitcase. Was the window unlatched? Maybe, but thats the extent of it.

John Ramsey said the suitcase was not in that area of the basement before, suggesting that someone moved it there. In addition, if the suitcase had been under the window for a long time, dust and debris would have collected on it. But little was there. Unless it had been moved there. Fleet moving it for glass means it was near the window. A pea-size piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, within what might be a partial footprint. Smit surmises the glass may have come off the intruder's shoe as he stepped on the suitcase to get out. However, police have said privately that what looks like a footprint on the suitcase isn't a footprint. A young girl's footprint in Long John's perhaps?


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[kanzz]

Personally I do not believe anything he says, you can if you want.

A point to note from an online comment. I also think if the piece of glass had caught in the web as it did, as you say, six months prior why wouldn't it have fallen and been cleaned up by then?

"Note also the dangling shard of glass just above the cobweb fragment. It's hard to believe anyone cleaning up after the break would have neglected to detach and dispose of that scary piece of broken glass, which could easily fall to the floor at any moment, especially if she were concerned about children playing in the area, as Patsy had claimed."


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BBM

Miss the point, Sherlockknows?
You said, "broke the window, when no one knows, silly enough to do it on the night of the Murder"
He didn't do that. He knew that people might know he had broken that window months before, so he let detectives know what he had done. This isn't rocket science.

And no, I did not say, "piece of glass had caught in the web as it did, ...six months prior". I've never said that.

Have you seen the video of that basement? Please. Please go view that video. Nobody ever cleaned that basement. Ever.

 

[Sherlockknows]

BBM

Miss the point, Sherlockknows?
You said, "broke the window, when no one knows, silly enough to do it on the night of the Murder"
He didn't do that. He knew that people might know he had broken that window months before, so he let detectives know what he had done. This isn't rocket science.

And no, I did not say, "piece of glass had caught in the web as it did, ...six months prior". I've never said that.

Have you seen the video of that basement? Please. Please go view that video. Nobody ever cleaned that basement. Ever.

I never said you said there was a shard or glass there. Whether you like it or not there it was though. And it wouldn't be there for six months.

No one breaks a window with his money, and leaves lose glass in an area for six months where their children are playing, and never gets it fixed. Then expects another adult to believe them. This isn't rocket science either.

"He knew people might know."

He was covering up a Murder, they were very careful and didn't miss much. I can't believe he was leaving things to chance. Plus who did he think might know? Who goes around telling people I lost my keys and broke in through my basement. There is no evidence anyone outside the family home knew he was breaking in to his home at any time.


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[kanzz]

John Ramsey said the suitcase was not in that area of the basement before, suggesting that someone moved it there. In addition, if the suitcase had been under the window for a long time, dust and debris would have collected on it. But little was there. Unless it had been moved there. Fleet moving it for glass means it was near the window. A pea-size piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, within what might be a partial footprint. Smit surmises the glass may have come off the intruder's shoe as he stepped on the suitcase to get out. However, police have said privately that what looks like a footprint on the suitcase isn't a footprint. A young girl's footprint in Long John's perhaps?


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All sorts of things were either moved or out of place according to JR. It's all meaningless smoke and mirrors. The suitcase is as irrelevant as the freezer.

And now you are posting Lou RedHerring BS, pasted from pro-Ramsey pbworks. Sheesh!

This is all bunk. That pea-sized piece of glass wasn't even in the same room as the partial footprint, let alone on the suitcase. Your wild theory about the suitcase and the window latch doesn't hold an ounce of H2O.

 

[andreww]

John Ramsey said the suitcase was not in that area of the basement before, suggesting that someone moved it there. In addition, if the suitcase had been under the window for a long time, dust and debris would have collected on it. But little was there. Unless it had been moved there. Fleet moving it for glass means it was near the window. A pea-size piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, within what might be a partial footprint. Smit surmises the glass may have come off the intruder's shoe as he stepped on the suitcase to get out. However, police have said privately that what looks like a footprint on the suitcase isn't a footprint. A young girl's footprint in Long John's perhaps?


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John said a lot of things that weren't true. Think about it, if you needed something to help you get out that window would you choose a wobbly suitcase or a chair? The supposed intruder would have pulled chair in front of the train room door as he closed it. Why wouldn't he use that as a step? And why would it have dust on it? it was in the basement, what difference would it make here or there? Dust is dust.

What is odd about that suitcase is that John's story about it kept changing. One day it was new, the next it was old. One day it belonged to JAR, the next it was his ex wife's. So are we to believe anything about it? Once LS came aboard it became a priority that he establish and entry/exit point, so they worked with what they had. The suitcase was likely stood on by Burke at one point to open the window, thus the footprint.

 

[Sherlockknows]

All sorts of things were either moved or out of place according to JR. It's all meaningless smoke and mirrors. The suitcase is as irrelevant as the freezer.

And now you are posting Lou RedHerring BS, pasted from pro-Ramsey pbworks. Sheesh!

This is all bunk. That pea-sized piece of glass wasn't even in the same room as the partial footprint, let alone on the suitcase. Your wild theory about the suitcase and the window latch doesn't hold an ounce of H2O.

In my original theory I never mentioned a footprint, or a piece of glass.

In your irrelevant but daily hounding of any opinion I have, you cross stories constantly.

I have said at least ten times I believe the mother did, and you know this. The pee size point was for someone else, based on the moving of the suitcase.

I simply put a theory out there in relation to Burke to incorporate the window, the blood, the urine, the hands above the head and the suitcase. <modsnip>


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[andreww]

I never said you said there was a shard or glass there. Whether you like it or not there it was though. And it wouldn't be there for six months.

No one breaks a window with his money, and leaves lose glass in an area for six months where their children are playing, and never gets it fixed. Then expects another adult to believe them. This isn't rocket science either.

"He knew people might know."

He was covering up a Murder, they were very careful and didn't miss much. I can't believe he was leaving things to chance. Plus who did he think might know? Who goes around telling people I lost my keys and broke in through my basement. There is no evidence anyone outside the family home knew he was breaking in to his home at any time.


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The broken window was mentioned to others prior to the crime. I believe it was on LHP's husbands list of things to do.

 

[andreww]

In my original theory I never mentioned a footprint, or a piece of glass.

In your irrelevant but daily hounding of any opinion I have, you cross stories constantly.

I have said at least ten times I believe the mother did, and you know this. The pee size point was for someone else, based on the moving of the suitcase.

I simply put a theory out there in relation to Burke to incorporate the window, the blood, the urine, the hands above the head and the suitcase. All you are doing is trolling me, to the point of getting me banned last week, on the basis I didn't hold true to your theory of BR.


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But your theory isn't consistent with the evidence. Sorry.

 

[kanzz]

I never said you said there was a shard or glass there. Whether you like it or not there it was though. And it wouldn't be there for six months.

This is what you said/posted.

I also think if the piece of glass had caught in the web as it did, as you say, six months prior why wouldn't it have fallen and been cleaned up by then?

No one breaks a window with his money, and leaves lose glass in an area for six months where their children are playing, and never gets it fixed. Then expects another adult to believe them. This isn't rocket science either.

False. The Ramseys did just that.

"He knew people might know."

He was covering up a Murder, they were very careful and didn't miss much. I can't believe he was leaving things to chance. Plus who did he think might know? Who goes around telling people I lost my keys and broke in through my basement. There is no evidence anyone outside the family home knew he was breaking in to his home at any time.

How about the housekeeper?
Burke?
Burke's friends?

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[andreww]

Personally I do not believe anything he says, you can if you want.

A point to note from an online comment. I also think if the piece of glass had caught in the web as it did, as you say, six months prior why wouldn't it have fallen and been cleaned up by then?

"Note also the dangling shard of glass just above the cobweb fragment. It's hard to believe anyone cleaning up after the break would have neglected to detach and dispose of that scary piece of broken glass, which could easily fall to the floor at any moment, especially if she were concerned about children playing in the area, as Patsy had claimed."


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Have you ever cleaned up broken glass? Very easy to miss a piece, in fact I'd say that pieces are missed more often than not. The Ramsey's didn't seem to be the tidiest people on the planet, so I wouldn't expect a first rate job.

 

[Sherlockknows]

The broken window was mentioned to others prior to the crime. I believe it was on LHP's husbands list of things to do.

The question remains, what others outside the family home? If a crime scene photo shows a shard of glass on a cobweb which could be affected by a window opening and closing for six months why leave it there, and if it fell would you not pick it up?


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[Sherlockknows]

Have you ever cleaned up broken glass? Very easy to miss a piece, in fact I'd say that pieces are missed more often than not. The Ramsey's didn't seem to be the tidiest people on the planet, so I wouldn't expect a first rate job.

I agree with this it could happen, but I don't believe a parent misses a large shard. If it was a student room in college maybe but I think at this stage we are getting to the point where the parents just come across as irresponsible. Yet they seem very organised in their business lives. Plus, the house keeper supposedly knew the window was broken, if so, they are professional cleaners. Six months, and missing shards of glass? Would she risk getting in trouble with a child cutting herself on on a piece of glass?


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[andreww]

The question remains, what others outside the family home? If a crime scene photo shows a shard of glass on a cobweb which could be affected by a window opening and closing for six months why leave it there, and if it fell would you not pick it up?


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The fact remains the Fleet White related that he & John were on their hands and knees looking for glass and managed to find one small piece. He said he put it on the window sill but likely remembered it wrong and put it on the suitcase. John was questioned about this and couldn't remember. As I didn't see any glass on the sill, it makes sense that is what happened.

I think you are trying to get to the point that Burke suspended JBR by the hands from the latch? Here is my issue with that. The head blow happened about an hour before the garrotte was applied. So JB would have been unconscious. There were also no marks from the loosely tied hand restraints. If she was alive at this point one would think that she would have fought her restraints, thus resulting in skin abrasion. There is no evidence of that. The evidence clearly points to the restraints and duct tape being applied after her death. The body was staged and there is no reason to believe that any of it was real. The garrotte obviously killed her but she could have been presumed to be dead already. Some believe that the garrotte was meant to cover marks already on her neck, possibly from someone grabbing her by her shirt collar.

 

[andreww]

I agree with this it could happen, but I don't believe a parent misses a large shard. If it was a student room in college maybe but I think at this stage we are getting to the point where the parents just come across as irresponsible. Yet they seem very organised in their business lives. Plus, the house keeper supposedly knew the window was broken, if so, they are professional cleaners. Six months, and missing shards of glass? Would she risk getting in trouble with a child cutting herself on on a piece of glass?


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It wasn't a large shard. And I'm a parent and despite my best efforts cleaning up glass over the years, I always find pieces days later.

 

[kanzz]

Please post your opinion of what happened on the night in question, with simple timeline, or maybe place a link here to your opinion posted earlier.


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Simply, I think BDI.

This was my reply to your first post here on the JBR forum. It covers everything:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-Lawsuit-Against-CBS&p=13069516#post13069516

 

[Miz Adventure]

I simply put a theory out there in relation to Burke to incorporate the window, the blood, the urine, the hands above the head and the suitcase.

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The blood?

Getting back to JR having to break into his own house earlier in the year - am I right in thinking he told investigators that he took most of his outer clothes off before he squeezed through the window?

Well if that is true then I would think that he would have told friends about it, as a conversation piece during a dinner at Pasta Jays or wherever. Wouldn't you?

 

[Sherlockknows]

There were only four people in the house that night, and JonBenet was murdered. That leaves three. One of those three people murdered JonBenet. There was no intruder.

All of the old DNA is moot. Dead in the water. Poof! New testing is being conducted.
DNA in doubt: New analysis challenges DA's exoneration of Ramseys

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[Sherlockknows]

The blood?

Getting back to JR having to break into his own house earlier in the year - am I right in thinking he told investigators that he took most of his outer clothes off before he squeezed through the window?

Well if that is true then I would think that he would have told friends about it, as a conversation piece during a dinner at Pasta Jays or wherever. Wouldn't you?

The Blood which was wiped from the leg.

The story is not recanted by anyone else in any other interview is it, I don't know I am only asking? Is there a link which says JR told people outside those in the house and the housemaid? Because if not you are quoting JR as if he is telling the truth....


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[Sherlockknows]

The fact remains the Fleet White related that he & John were on their hands and knees looking for glass and managed to find one small piece. He said he put it on the window sill but likely remembered it wrong and put it on the suitcase. John was questioned about this and couldn't remember. As I didn't see any glass on the sill, it makes sense that is what happened.

I think you are trying to get to the point that Burke suspended JBR by the hands from the latch? Here is my issue with that. The head blow happened about an hour before the garrotte was applied. So JB would have been unconscious. There were also no marks from the loosely tied hand restraints. If she was alive at this point one would think that she would have fought her restraints, thus resulting in skin abrasion. There is no evidence of that. The evidence clearly points to the restraints and duct tape being applied after her death. The body was staged and there is no reason to believe that any of it was real. The garrotte obviously killed her but she could have been presumed to be dead already. Some believe that the garrotte was meant to cover marks already on her neck, possibly from someone grabbing her by her shirt collar.

Not quiet what I said but what I did say early in the piece is he had the knife. She wasn't going to struggle if he had the knife. Nothing happened till she was abused then he hit for screaming. I believe the lady heads the scream. Why would she lie? However some people think she is lying to fit their own theory which is fine.

Regarding the glass. You have just proved my point. You found it a few days later. Not months and you are always looking as a parent till you hoover or find ever piece. What is being said here by people is he broke it months before, the house keeper knew about it and did nothing, the cobwebs weren't disturbed and there was no glass or any print on the suitcase. The suitcase was never moved. I am sorry but I can't believe if the suitcase was in a room, supposedly never cleaned it wouldn't have the kind of dust the cobweb had.


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[Miz Adventure]

The Blood which was wiped from the leg.

The story is not recanted by anyone else in any other interview is it, I don't know I am only asking? Is there a link which says JR told people outside those in the house and the housemaid? Because if not you are quoting JR as if he is telling the truth....


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I don't know where I read it and I don't have a link; it's just one of those things that stuck in my mind.

I'm certainly not saying I believe everything that JR said - far from it - but if he DID break the glass and gain entry to his house in the summer then I feel sure he wouldn't have kept it to himself.