By Accident Or On Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

[Heymom]

If Lin Wood orchestrated this and Burke slipped saying he went downstairs to play with his toy when everyone was asleep, then there's a contradiction. I might be alone with this belief, but a good attorney will not ask a question in court unless he/she already knows the answer. You don't put someone into an interview unless you can control the questions and/or the answers. And if you can't control the questions then you control the answers. You prep the hell out of the client. You make sure that even someone throwing softballs at your client can't trip them up so you prepare them for any and all questions. This isn't a deposition. It's a televised interview. There is more leeway in how the client can be prepped.

Dr Phil said the questions weren't controlled and he could ask whatever he wanted. I don't remember any claim that Burke wasn't prepped in advance.

Dr Phil said he "thought" John said he used the flashlight to put Burke to bed. This wasn't John or Burke saying they used the flashlight but Dr Phil "thought" it was said. Before this time Patsy and John denied knowing anything about the flashlight. Now it's in play. They put it into John's hands, but there's still deniability. If they manage to find new evidence on the flashlight, there's now a reason why John's hands were on it the night of the murder.

Burke was also brought into play. He went downstairs after the family went to bed. This does not mean he was in the basement, but can put him in the living room. Most people here believe this was a slip. Before this time, Burke wouldn't talk to LE and had his attorney send a cease and desist letter. It would be a weak assumption to believe that Burke still doesn't have legal representation. And if he had legal representation, how is it that they wouldn't know what Burke was going to say before he said it in such an important interview? So why did they permit Burke to reveal that he was downstairs at almost the same time the intruder was supposed to be there? The only conclusion I've been able to reach about this is that this wasn't a bombshell. Burke planned to make this statement before the interview and he wasn't the only one who knew about it.

This is my opinion, of course.

Maybe he's a true sociopath and not only realizes he's not ever going to be prosecuted but rather enjoys dropping "clues" and mocking others, as he seemed to show when he was 9, just 2 weeks after the murder of his sister, when he said blithely to a psychiatrist that he was "going on with his life," as well as when he was 11 and described his mother as "going psycho" when she could not find his sister whose dead body was lying in the basement. Maybe he gets a thrill out of this game.

 

[DakotaMayi]

I mean seriously though... Nedra looks like she's about to break out some American Horror Story moves in this photo. Come to think of it.... with the exception of JBR, this is An American Horror Story.

Yes, JonBenet sticks out like a sore thumb...in a good way that is. This picture definitely shouts AHS season 7 :/ I have never seen this photo before. JR and PR give me the creepies as it is but Nedra.......

 

[DakotaMayi]

In my own opinion I feel Burke did it with intent to severely harm JBR. I think his parents covered for him.
I don't think he has ever showed remorse or guilt or sadness. He, above all other children that cause an accidental death, deserved to be punished.
Even though he's been able to "go on with his life". JBR doesn't have that chance.
I think laws need to be changed. I feel that the law that protected him should be lowered to maybe 6. If the law is in place, the DA would have the option to prosecute if the situation required it. The DA can make the judgment in regard to intent.
Kids are maturing so much faster now. The law needs to be changed so this type of crime doesn't happen again.

It's an interesting point you raise I'm not sure the exact age a child should be held legally responsible for a crime like this. I don't know if you would know the severe consequences of your actions by intentionally killing someone at age 9. BR should definitely have been put under court appointed psychiatric care if he allegedly displayed enough anger to kill his sister at 9 years of age.

I have to agree with positive light here. I believe this was done with intent by Burke. Not an ounce of guilt has ever ran through his veins and I think the jealousy just got to much. I would expect a child of 9 and younger to understand the consequences of these actions.

There was a murder on this side of the pond(UK) where a young boy (James) was murdered by IIRC two 10 year boys (Burke was near enough 10) and they were charged with his murder. Children of this age are more than accountable for their actions.

 

[otg]

I mean seriously though... Nedra looks like she's about to break out some American Horror Story moves in this photo. Come to think of it.... with the exception of JBR, this is An American Horror Story.

Hmmmm... No one else?

 

[YouWho]

We know there's evidence we've never seen - to protect the integrity of the investigation. I just wonder if it has anything to do with the flashlight or BR being downstairs whereas we thought he was in bed all these years and the R's always denied even owning the flashlight. The lied so much.

 

[DeDee]

Intentional Assault

Many may be familiar with Delmar England's Analysis of the Strangulation of JonBenet. Here is an exert of his interpretation:


"Lou Smit concluded that hair entangled in the knot is evidence that the garrote was constructed on the victim. At least, he got this much right. This tells a lot about the situation and consequently tells a lot about the person or persons who created this scene.

If after the cord was put around the neck, dividing the cord into right and left parts, one part in each hand, the two parts brought across each other and pulled hard while pressing downward on the neck would apply a circumference pressure to account for the encircling ligature furrow. The knot was made AFTER the pressure was applied and after the ligature furrow created. The cord was held tightly and close as the knot was made; which is why and how hair got entangled in the knot."

http://www.acandyrose.com/05262001delmaranalysis2.htm

 

[BoldBear]

Firmly BDI here. Even moreso with the recent interview with him.

Intruder theory I cannot make sense of at all, and believe me I have tried.

I cannot see John or Patsy covering for the other. Which leaves Burke. Who they would cover for.

Even if we've all decided that the intruder argument can't be a possibility. The Ramseys and their defenders will continue to argue it. So when discussing Burke or John's arguments, an intruder will always be inserted.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Intentional Assault

Many may be familiar with Delmar England's Analysis of the Strangulation of JonBenet. Here is an exert of his interpretation:


"Lou Smit concluded that hair entangled in the knot is evidence that the garrote was constructed on the victim. At least, he got this much right. This tells a lot about the situation and consequently tells a lot about the person or persons who created this scene.

If after the cord was put around the neck, dividing the cord into right and left parts, one part in each hand, the two parts brought across each other and pulled hard while pressing downward on the neck would apply a circumference pressure to account for the encircling ligature furrow. The knot was made AFTER the pressure was applied and after the ligature furrow created. The cord was held tightly and close as the knot was made; which is why and how hair got entangled in the knot."

http://www.acandyrose.com/05262001delmaranalysis2.htm

I agree all roads lead to Burke, but I am baffled at how he would know how to strangle someone in this fashion at 10 years old. How does something like this come to mind unless he's been exposed to pictures or movies or something. I'm 60 and hardly knew what a garote was until this case. Is this a weapon from medevil days?

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[BBB167893]

I agree all roads lead to Burke, but I am baffled at how he would know how to strangle someone in this fashion at 10 years old. How does something like this come to mind unless he's been exposed to pictures or movies or something. I'm 60 and hardly knew what a garote was until this case. Is this a weapon from medevil days?

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As far as I know, the use of a garrote goes back at least a thousand years. It's been used by everyone from the Sicilian Mafia to the ****gee in India; from the Spanish Empire (who used it for executions right up until 1975) to modern special forces, guerillas and terrorist groups.

 

[Karinna]

I am not really convinced about who exactly did what in JBR's case, but i think whoever did it that their mind snapped and they went into an angry rage to inflict those kinds of injuries on poor little JBR. I also have read that there is a lot more stress and pressure on people around Christmas time, so wonder how that might have played into this case?

 

[Karinna]

As far as I know, the use of a garrote goes back at least a thousand years. It's been used by everyone from the Sicilian Mafia to the ****gee in India; from the Spanish Empire (who used it for executions right up until 1975) to modern special forces, guerillas and terrorist groups.

Yeah, the whole garrote/ligature thing is just really weird to me in this case. I get that someone enraged enough could whack someone over the head but the rest of it is just downright creepy, IMO.

 

[BBB167893]

Yeah, the whole garrote/ligature thing is just really weird to me in this case. I get that someone enraged enough could whack someone over the head but the rest of it is just downright creepy, IMO.

It helps to remember Karinna that in the 1980's, the Philippines were rife with guerillas, who used garrotes. US Servicemen in that area were trained to use them. And one of those servicemen was John Ramsey, US Navy.

 

[Karinna]

It helps to remember Karinna that in the 1980's, the Philippines were rife with guerillas, who used garrotes. US Servicemen in that area were trained to use them. And one of those servicemen was John Ramsey, US Navy.

So he had killed with a garotte before? Maybe, from what you are saying. Wow.

 

[DeDee]

As far as I know, the use of a garrote goes back at least a thousand years. It's been used by everyone from the Sicilian Mafia to the ****gee in India; from the Spanish Empire (who used it for executions right up until 1975) to modern special forces, guerillas and terrorist groups.

Guerrilla warfare is what popped into my mind when the crime against JonBenet was first reported assuming the killer possessed a past of being familiar with such a sinister tool. A garrote is often wrapped around a victim's neck and rapidly tightened before the victim realizes what's happened.

What blows R innocence out of the water is the housekeeper stating that she had seen one similar in the basement a few days prior to the murder near some boxes. The R garrote was already made for this purpose, possibly prior to Dec 26.

I consider myself to be familiar, not proficient, with a garrote's purpose but taking the flying leap to use a garrote to strangle my child would never happen. Did the Rs befriend assassins who were natural born killers? No. One resided within the residence at 755 19th St.

 

[neesaki]

It helps to remember Karinna that in the 1980's, the Philippines were rife with guerillas, who used garrotes. US Servicemen in that area were trained to use them. And one of those servicemen was John Ramsey, US Navy.

Are you serious? I'm just asking, because when I read this I was like "WHAT?"

 

[neesaki]

Guerrilla warfare is what popped into my mind when the crime against JonBenet was first reported assuming the killer possessed a past of being familiar with such a sinister tool. A garrote is often wrapped around a victim's neck and rapidly tightened before the victim realizes what's happened.

What blows R innocence out of the water is the housekeeper stating that she had seen one similar in the basement a few days prior to the murder near some boxes. The R garrote was already made for this purpose, possibly prior to Dec 26.

I consider myself to be familiar, not proficient, with a garrote's purpose but taking the flying leap to use a garrote to strangle my child would never happen. Did the Rs befriend assassins who were natural born killers? No. One resided within the residence at 755 19th St.

Ok, I'm in shock now.

 

[BBB167893]

So he had killed with a garotte before? Maybe, from what you are saying. Wow.

Hold up! I didn't say he'd USED one before. I'm just saying he would have known about them.

 

[BBB167893]

Are you serious? I'm just asking, because when I read this I was like "WHAT?"

You bet I'm serious!

 

[debbiegarcia36]

As far as I know, the use of a garrote goes back at least a thousand years. It's been used by everyone from the Sicilian Mafia to the ****gee in India; from the Spanish Empire (who used it for executions right up until 1975) to modern special forces, guerillas and terrorist groups.

Thanks Dave. Definitely a barbaric device.

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[Annapurna]

It doesn't operate as a garotte though. I think calling it that is an artifact from Lou Smit and the like. They often said there were "sophisticated" knots, which isn't true. It is just a simple loop tied with a slipknot. The brush may have been tied on before or after, I can't tell.