CA - ‘Uncharted territory’ as Lake Oroville rises toward damaged dam

[CARIIS]

anyone know how far away neighborhoods are from this thing??

BB= Beurocratic babble !!

"The flows that we're seeing from whatever source out of the dam right now are less than a half of what we normally see in a really tough flood event that would stress our systems. So there's no reason in my opinion, based on the information we have now, which is available to you, that we should be worried about evacuating any part of this region," Croyle said.

 

[CARIIS]

Have no clue what computer is doing in terms of how it is doing this!!



[FONT=&amp]Just rounding for [/FONT][FONT=&amp]trend:

Outflow remains at around 55xxxcfs[/FONT][FONT=&amp] -- while the inflow has gone from 67 [/FONT][FONT=&amp] to 52 [/FONT] so it would seem (dont really know!) it should be easing at this point??

emergency spillway hasn't been tested in the dam's 48 year history- pretty stupid IMO



FOR ANYONE NEARBYinflows, and outflows can be obtained via a recorded message at 530-534-2307.

i Interesting article

http://www.elkgrovenews.net/2017/02/cdfw-rescues-8-million-young-salmon-1.html

Looking ahead:

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[TD="align: left"] [FONT=&amp]Drier weather continues through Tuesday..... another round of wet
weather arrives Wednesday with several rounds continuing through
next weekend.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/weather/SFOAFDSTO[/FONT] [/TD]

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[TD="align: center"][FONT=&amp]as of Midnight: February 11, 2017[/FONT][/TD]

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• [FONT=&amp]Current Storage: 3,578,366 AF[/FONT]
• [FONT=&amp]101% of Total Capacity[/FONT]

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http://www.elkgrovenews.net/2017/02/cdfw-rescues-8-million-young-salmon-1.html

50 California Department of Fish and Wildlife staff conducted a successful relocation over the past two days of 6.5 million young Chinook salmon imperiled by raging, muddy flows of 65,000 cfs below Oroville Dam as a giant hole caused by erosion continues to expand

http://wwlp.com/2017/02/11/oroville-dam-rushing-water-takes-out-land/.

 

[CARIIS]

Apparently this is the one to watch "Pacific Crest Trail - Northern CA 10 Day Weather"


Starting Wed Chance (%) of rain/snow goes like this 90 90 50 70 60 60

In trying to learn about this I have run across (more than one can imagine) a bunch of nutjobs who say that California trying to leave the usa to become a sanctuary state a couple of days ago god did this to force the California govt to have to ask Trump for help with this !! Oh the internet!

Ugh oh --getting addicted to all this !!

Fascinating article about the whole big picture. The Shasta Lake is the biggest ( its like 3 million compared to this one at 2 million) and it is at 96%!

They are opening up the spickets big time !!

In FL -- never thought of the complexity of managing this stuff.And its all interconnected and has to orchestrated like a symphony - apparently Betevoon was sleeping at this dam!

Its like the rainfall and then the snowfall and then the temps and predicting when the ran is coming how much snow will happen when will the snow start to melt on and on!!

When one of em needs to let some out another one down ward has to let some out to take care of the water coming from the other one but then it rains and they have to turn off the extra faucets and then each lake takes various number of days for all the water to make into the lake from runoff etc etc etc

How much do you open the faucets? For how long? etc etc amazing stuff

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...les-as-California-reservoirs-max-10915788.php

 

[SophieRose]

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Apparently this is the one to watch "Pacific Crest Trail - Northern CA 10 Day Weather"


Starting Wed Chance (%) of rain/snow goes like this 90 90 50 70 60 60

In trying to learn about this I have run across (more than one can imagine) a bunch of nutjobs who say that California trying to leave the usa to become a sanctuary state a couple of days ago god did this to force the California govt to have to ask Trump for help with this !! Oh the internet!

Ugh oh --getting addicted to all this !!

Fascinating article about the whole big picture. The Shasta Lake is the biggest ( its like 3 million compared to this one at 2 million) and it is at 96%!

They are opening up the spickets big time !!

In FL -- never thought of the complexity of managing this stuff.And its all interconnected and has to orchestrated like a symphony - apparently Betevoon was sleeping at this dam!

Its like the rainfall and then the snowfall and then the temps and predicting when the ran is coming how much snow will happen when will the snow start to melt on and on!!

When one of em needs to let some out another one down ward has to le some out to take care of the water coming from the other one but then it rains and they have to turn off the extra faucets and then each lake takes various number of days for all the water to make into the lake from runoff etc etc etc

How much do you open the faucets? For how long? etc etc amazing stuff

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...les-as-California-reservoirs-max-10915788.php

CARIIS, this guy puts out some amazong youtube videos. I'm been following him for a few years when he was covering the drought. He's got a two-seater plane and he's out of Sacramento. This video is after the January 2017 storms. Yesterday and today are nice days, next storm starts on Wed night. I'm hoping he went up this weekend and will post more from the Sierra and Oroville Dam. We're thinking of going tomorrow to see some of the dams in the Sierra, was told they are all at 100%. Oroville is a little far north for me.

Snow starts around 1:25
[video=youtube;XebiEZG2mck]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebiEZG2mck[/video]

 

[Emi]

http://abc7news.com/news/evacuation-order-issued-after-oroville-dam-predicted-to-fail/1751364/

Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I just saw they are issuing evacuation orders and anticipating failure of the spillway within the hour. It's on the California Department of Water Resources Facebook page. Don't know how to link.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/category/news/

 

[kaen]

The spillway is endanger. Evacuations ordered for smaller area, then, increased to further downstream. Scary.

https://twitter.com/NWSSacramento

 

[Emi]

http://kron4.com/2017/02/12/tweet-timeline-oroville-dam-evacuations/

 

[SophieRose]

ttp://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html

Evacuations are widespread
More than 160,000 people in evacuation area
More than 162,000 residents in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties were affected by Sunday night’s evacuation orders, census figures show.

State Department of Water Resources told Butte County Sheriff Kony Honea shortly after 6 p.m. that “the erosion that caused all this concern was not advancing as rapidly as they thought.”

“That’s a very good thing,” he said.

There is a plan currently in place which would hopefully plug that hole, Honea said, including using helicopters dropping bags of rock into the crevasse to prevent any further erosion.

 

[CARIIS]

ttp://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html

Evacuations are widespread
More than 160,000 people in evacuation area
More than 162,000 residents in Butte, Sutter and Yuba counties were affected by Sunday night’s evacuation orders, census figures show.

State Department of Water Resources told Butte County Sheriff Kony Honea shortly after 6 p.m. that “the erosion that caused all this concern was not advancing as rapidly as they thought.”

“That’s a very good thing,” he said.

There is a plan currently in place which would hopefully plug that hole, Honea said, including using helicopters dropping bags of rock into the crevasse to prevent any further erosion.

Hi Miss Sophie

Have computer at large for reading. So Come to thread - scroll down - was glad to see you had posted.

I want to know what others are thinking . The first line of your post just wigged me out and mad me mad.

Why didn't you guys do this yesterday? But man as I read your post my heart was pounding.


once again another reason not to trust elected officials

the erosion that caused all this concern was not advancing as rapidly as they thought.” BUT were moving 20% of a million people?

Have learned a lot in the last 24 hours --

250,000 cubic feet per second, that is panic mode - they were doing like 12,000 (not a typo!) the dam is safe but were going 250, 000 cfs

You know what just struck me spillway and emergency spillway -- give me a break emergency spill way is really the damn dam is overflowing period.

would any of us call our bathtub overflowing an overflow (like it is planned) no the darn bathtub is flooding!

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

 

[CARIIS]

The crawl on news is "Emergency spillway expected to fail"


That is the dam failing peroid

 

[CARIIS]

Its all white water now over the "emergency " nonsense

 

[CARIIS]

Dear experts

If you get it to 901 pls do not stop draining - starting Wed it all goes again..

Thank You!

I do not quite understand the reason why they stopped the power plant. But that thing can get rid of 12000, I wonder if its worth sacrificing the power plant to try and get ready for the storms that start Wed??

 

[CARIIS]

Presser coming at top of hour! Just been delayed about 20 minutes

They are letting "nice " prisoners out!

Heavy live is reporting that it has stopped coming over the top of the emergency deal !!!

I am visual person. I do not get how ,if it fails ,how does it stop??

OK so now they can start with the rock dropping to slow everything down per Heavy

Some of this stupid in terms of word use. They have made it sound like the emergency spillway is an "option" (like turning it on!)

Apparently (!) that is BS - it comes over - its not something they can control !

Places are opening to take horses!! Thank god!

 

[CARIIS]

presser delayed till top of next hour

latest numbers 99658 outflow 37441 inflow

using night goggles (helicopters)

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?ORO

Heavy live they are running out of gas

 

[watcher9]

Watching the live stream.
Since they waited so long, now everyone is having to get out all at once and they are traffic jammed. Good planning??

Adding live link.
http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

 

[DeDee]

This vid was published on Feb 9 so there should be little surprise to those who live there. I would have had my family out by yesterday, Feb 11, when the dam breached.

The good Lord knows I don't want to drown. Nooooo. Praying all are safe and the ground steadies itself and weather cooperates. Hopefully, it will be more promising tomorrow.

[video=youtube;F-PGMapD4us]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-PGMapD4us[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Watching the live stream.
Since they waited so long, now everyone is having to get out all at once and they are traffic jammed. Good planning??

Adding live link.
http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

Thanxx for the link watcher - your guys just did a great piece - gave much more understanding of the layout.


There is a "city" that is pretty close to the actual dam I do not know why they are not doing the counter flow thing with the roads where they turn all lanes one way - thats how they do it in FL for hurricanes.