CA - ‘Uncharted territory’ as Lake Oroville rises toward damaged dam

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  • #241
I can't imagine what all these people are living through. I am exhausted watching it.

If you notice in every press conf he HAD (I have not seen one in ages) healways ,everytime, bought up spring run-off.

I hate to say this but I think underneath all this is that. I think they know what is coming- the runoff is going to be horrendous - especially if this cra# does not stop for a bit so everything can take on runoff.

This is only mo but I think this one is the most powerful model, but it is depressing as hell.

https://www.vencoreweather.com/blog...as-a-brief-break-before-getting-pounded-again

The storms are not stopping - there are miles and miles of them still in line still heading right there -

The lack of seeing the sun in and of itself has to be horrid

moo

scary times ---not a peep out of the white house - takes your breath away WTF??


I think the rest of country thinks it over there. This goes south - its a nationwide impact.

Food, electricity, cell phone communications,internet, disease. Banking just.............

Electrcity really knaws at me. The whole grid is all connected, and ancient. I can't imagine o bunch of major transmission lines going down its gonna cascade all over the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_failure

.....in turn overloads these nodes, causing them to fail as well, prompting additional nodes to fail one after another in a vicious circle.


blackout of 2003- so lets add 14 years of neglect into this mess

The blackout's primary cause was a software bug in the alarm system at a control room of the FirstEnergy Corporation, located in ....Ohio........ left operators unaware of the need to re-distribute power after overloaded transmission lines hit unpruned foliage, Can you imagine transmission line after line after line

.....which triggered a .........race condition in the control software.

What would have been a manageable local blackout cascaded into massive widespread distress on the electric grid.


I wonder if they are not seriously , behind closed doors, "picking" what areas they are gonna use controlled flooding and flood out by blowing out levees and wiping out farmland.

Can't go on forever it's that simple

moo

 
  • #242
[video=youtube;o0RtxamvXbA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0RtxamvXbA[/video]
 
  • #243
[video=youtube;6nt0njgVmv4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nt0njgVmv4[/video]
 
  • #244
[h=1]Water managers may have to ‘spill’ water from Lake Tahoe[/h]

[FONT=&quot] officials may have to send "quite a bit" of water over the emergency spillway located in Tahoe City.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]That statement from U.S. District Court Water Master Chad Blanchard on Tuesday comes with a caveat: Officials are waiting for an updated forecast that will take into account the impact of the most recent storms on spring runoff.

That number puts the lake 3.66 feet above its natural rim and within 2 ½ feet of the lake's "legal limit."

I have seen that terminology in other stories - it's like really regulated when each one can and can't release etc- like there is some big book with what levels must be at and not before etc ?



....Only so much water can be released,

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[FONT=&quot]Currently, 50 cubic-feet-per-second — the minimum amount required to be released from Lake Tahoe at this time of year — is running out of the lake. Blanchard noted that even if officials decide to spill water, the amount pales in comparison to that lost to evaporation each year. That number averages 40 inches, he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If the lake does manage to fill this year, it will mark a physical increase of 6 ½ feet — a new record. The previous record of 6 feet came in 1995.

http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/water-managers-may-have-to-spill-water-from-lake-tahoe/+[/FONT]
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  • #245
To its credit, California is one of 16 states that require high-hazard dams to be inspected annually. However, Chronicle reporters found that at least 38 facilities — 13 of which posed a risk of property damage or death if they failed — had not been inspected within the required time frame. Examples included Sonoma County, where 10 of the 13 high-risk dams went multiple years without an official review of the state.

California is behind other states — involves emergency preparedness. This state does not require owners of high-hazard dams to have an action plan that would include mapping out the areas vulnerable to flooding, a warning system to alert residents of pending disaster or an emergency response strategy that would be ready to activate on short notice.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Mind-the-gaps-in-dam-safety-10946289.php
 
  • #246
[h=1]Clouds will build up Friday, leading to a chance of rain Saturday, likely turning to heavy precipitation Saturday night and more rain Sunday.

Clear Lake floods as winter storms exact toll on Sonoma, Lake counties[/h]
Meanwhile Back in Washington:

[h=3]... administration lifts transgender bathroom guidance[/h]
http://www.wvva.com/story/34575230/trump-administration-lifts-transgender-bathroom-guidance

[FONT=&quot]The bad news for many of those affected is that runoff into this massive lake is so plentiful it is expected to continue to rise through Friday, triggering additional flooding and more evacuation orders.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]A 19-year-old woman who died at a local hospital after being swept out to sea Monday near Schoolhouse Beach was identified as Victoria Alvarez

[/FONT]http://www.sonomanews.com/news/6696568-181/clear-lake-floods-as-winter?artslide=0[FONT=&quot]


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  • #247
  • #248
I think this is gonna be the next place to go to see if California is going to float away

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/sweq.action

Now if I can only figure out WTH it actually means -- help anyone ---please!!

it's not just a heavy rain and snow event that is of concern. Any rapid warmup over the next month or so could unleash rapid snowmelt, putting stress on nearly full reservoirs.

https://www.wunderground.com/news/california-record-wet-water-year-forecast-feb2017
 
  • #249
ABC top stories:


 
  • #250
but, "global warming doesn't exist" lol

watergirl62 said:
Thanks to everyone posting videos links and updates. This is where I go to stay updated on what's going on. All I see in MSM is a wall of Trump news, and I don't have time to find the weather pages because, life.

It's amazing - drought to deluge with no middle ground. Stay safe, California.
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  • #251
I have heard whispers that it was on purpose to rid this area of poor ppl so they can take the land.... a few years ago some low income areas and small businesses were burned in fires.

CARIIS said:
I can't imagine what all these people are living through. I am exhausted watching it.

If you notice in every press conf he HAD (I have not seen one in ages) healways ,everytime, bought up spring run-off.

I hate to say this but I think underneath all this is that. I think they know what is coming- the runoff is going to be horrendous - especially if this cra# does not stop for a bit so everything can take on runoff.

This is only mo but I think this one is the most powerful model, but it is depressing as hell.

https://www.vencoreweather.com/blog...as-a-brief-break-before-getting-pounded-again

The storms are not stopping - there are miles and miles of them still in line still heading right there -

The lack of seeing the sun in and of itself has to be horrid

moo

scary times ---not a peep out of the white house - takes your breath away WTF??


I think the rest of country thinks it over there. This goes south - its a nationwide impact.

Food, electricity, cell phone communications,internet, disease. Banking just.............

Electrcity really knaws at me. The whole grid is all connected, and ancient. I can't imagine o bunch of major transmission lines going down its gonna cascade all over the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_failure

.....in turn overloads these nodes, causing them to fail as well, prompting additional nodes to fail one after another in a vicious circle.


blackout of 2003- so lets add 14 years of neglect into this mess

The blackout's primary cause was a software bug in the alarm system at a control room of the FirstEnergy Corporation, located in ....Ohio........ left operators unaware of the need to re-distribute power after overloaded transmission lines hit unpruned foliage, Can you imagine transmission line after line after line

.....which triggered a .........race condition in the control software.

What would have been a manageable local blackout cascaded into massive widespread distress on the electric grid.


I wonder if they are not seriously , behind closed doors, "picking" what areas they are gonna use controlled flooding and flood out by blowing out levees and wiping out farmland.

Can't go on forever it's that simple

moo
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  • #252
I for one am not surprised there is mum from Washington about CA right now.

CARIIS said:
[h=1]Clouds will build up Friday, leading to a chance of rain Saturday, likely turning to heavy precipitation Saturday night and more rain Sunday.

Clear Lake floods as winter storms exact toll on Sonoma, Lake counties[/h]
Meanwhile Back in Washington:

[h=3]... administration lifts transgender bathroom guidance[/h]
http://www.wvva.com/story/34575230/trump-administration-lifts-transgender-bathroom-guidance

[FONT="]The bad news for many of those affected is that runoff into this massive lake is so plentiful it is expected to continue to rise through Friday, triggering additional flooding and more evacuation orders.

[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT="]A 19-year-old woman who died at a local hospital after being swept out to sea Monday near Schoolhouse Beach was identified as Victoria Alvarez

[/FONT]http://www.sonomanews.com/news/6696568-181/clear-lake-floods-as-winter?artslide=0[FONT="]


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  • #253
CARIIS said:
Interesting report





Devastating Floods Result Of Bay Area's Aging Water Infrastructure
http://radioalice.cbslocal.com/vide...ible-flooding-in-californias-low-lying-areas/
Devastating Floods Result Of Bay Area's Aging Water Infrastructure
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Interesting report, yes. I was unaware of the subsidence that had occurred in the southern bay area from overpumping groundwater. Makes the water equation that much more complex. We have had that issue here along the Texas Gulf Coast in some areas.

To be fair, infrastructure aging is a problem everywhere in the US, especially dams. And these types of projects cost a fortune, which equals fed $$ and taxes or some new fee base.

Once it rains, the public and political memory may forget drought contingency plans and innovative water projects, but obviously the flood control infrastructure needs lots of improvement, and some of the critical projects will hopefully get fixed before CA experiences another severe drought and can't get funding for surface water projects. My take. MOO
 
  • #254
  • #255
CARIIS said:
I can't imagine what all these people are living through. I am exhausted watching it.

If you notice in every press conf he HAD (I have not seen one in ages) healways ,everytime, bought up spring run-off.

I hate to say this but I think underneath all this is that. I think they know what is coming- the runoff is going to be horrendous - especially if this cra# does not stop for a bit so everything can take on runoff.

This is only mo but I think this one is the most powerful model, but it is depressing as hell.

https://www.vencoreweather.com/blog...as-a-brief-break-before-getting-pounded-again

The storms are not stopping - there are miles and miles of them still in line still heading right there -

The lack of seeing the sun in and of itself has to be horrid

moo

scary times ---not a peep out of the white house - takes your breath away WTF??


I think the rest of country thinks it over there. This goes south - its a nationwide impact.

Food, electricity, cell phone communications,internet, disease. Banking just.............

Electrcity really knaws at me. The whole grid is all connected, and ancient. I can't imagine o bunch of major transmission lines going down its gonna cascade all over the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_failure

.....in turn overloads these nodes, causing them to fail as well, prompting additional nodes to fail one after another in a vicious circle.


blackout of 2003- so lets add 14 years of neglect into this mess

The blackout's primary cause was a software bug in the alarm system at a control room of the FirstEnergy Corporation, located in ....Ohio........ left operators unaware of the need to re-distribute power after overloaded transmission lines hit unpruned foliage, Can you imagine transmission line after line after line

.....which triggered a .........race condition in the control software.

What would have been a manageable local blackout cascaded into massive widespread distress on the electric grid.


I wonder if they are not seriously , behind closed doors, "picking" what areas they are gonna use controlled flooding and flood out by blowing out levees and wiping out farmland.

Can't go on forever it's that simple

moo
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I really do love your stream-of-consciousness posts, CARIIS, you are like Websleuths'... Virginia Woolf.
These headlines are scary but sometimes? you just need to walk away and breathe a bit. Please don't let the intense onslaught of MSM stress you out too much. ::loveyou:
 
  • #256
  • #257
watergirl62 said:
I really do love your stream-of-consciousness posts, CARIIS, you are like Websleuths'... Virginia Woolf.
These headlines are scary but sometimes? you just need to walk away and breathe a bit. Please don't let the intense onslaught of MSM stress you out too much. ::loveyou:
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Its such a drag ! The smoke coming out of my ears sets off the smoke alarms--- ha !!
 
  • #258
Every 200 years California suffers a storm of biblical proportions — this year’s rains are just a precursor
The last freak rainstorm turned the Central Valley into a lake, and we’re due for another one
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/21/1...c-river-flood-storm-evacuations-rain-arkstorm

The most recent was a series of storms that lasted for a near-biblical 43 days between 1861 and 1862, creating a vast lake where California’s Central Valley had been. Floodwaters drowned thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of cattle, and forced the state’s government to move from Sacramento to San Francisco.

More than 150 years have passed since California’s last, great flood — and a team of researchers with the US Geological Survey have predicted what kind of damage a similar flood would cause today. Their simulation, called the ARkStorm, anticipates that a stretch of the Central Valley 300 miles long by 20 miles wide would be underwater.
 
  • #259
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/oroville-dam-climate-change-california.html?_r=1

California has the additional complication of being laced with earthquake faults, which has always been a major challenge to engineers designing dams. Among the dams now considered to be at risk are two that are close to earthquake faults and are undergoing improvements to better withstand seismic shocks: The Anderson Dam and the Calaveras Dam, both near San Jose.

But California’s most troubled large dam is at Lake Isabella, built in the 1950s on what was thought to be a dormant earthquake fault by the Army Corps of Engineers on the Kern River above Bakersfield. The fault has since been shown to be active, and out of concerns that the dam could fail, the authorities restricted the level of the lake behind it. This week, officials assured nearby residents that despite heavy rains, the lake levels, and the dam itself, remained safe.

But the dam will have to be rebuilt, with a new emergency spillway, at a cost expected to be about half a billion dollars. Construction is expected to start this year and to take at least five years.
 
  • #260
SophieRose said:
Every 200 years California suffers a storm of biblical proportions — this year’s rains are just a precursor
The last freak rainstorm turned the Central Valley into a lake, and we’re due for another one
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/21/1...c-river-flood-storm-evacuations-rain-arkstorm

The most recent was a series of storms that lasted for a near-biblical 43 days between 1861 and 1862, creating a vast lake where California’s Central Valley had been. Floodwaters drowned thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of cattle, and forced the state’s government to move from Sacramento to San Francisco.

More than 150 years have passed since California’s last, great flood — and a team of researchers with the US Geological Survey have predicted what kind of damage a similar flood would cause today. Their simulation, called the ARkStorm, anticipates that a stretch of the Central Valley 300 miles long by 20 miles wide would be underwater.
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We have used tree ring data in one of our groundwater models to help predict the recharge component for one of our over-stressed aquifers. These data go back to the 16th century I believe. Cypress and Live Oak and...

Anyways,they are a very good record of wet-dry cycles. I will look for that today and share it later. I'm sure the same has been done with the Redwoods and what are those... Joshua trees? I will have to look.

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