CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #3

[jens]

Yes, I am very well aware of her and her statements. But according to David (not that he's trustworthy) none of the children (1-12) are called Elizabeth. They all have J names. It doesn't appear any are named after her unless the baby is. But I would guess that baby also has a J name.

David wrote a message and signed it of with "[FONT=Segoe UI, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]David, Louise, Jennifer, Joshua, Jessica, Jonathan, Joy, Julianne, Jeanetta, Jordan, James, Joanna, Jolinda, Julissa." No Elizabeth. This is prior to baby #13.[/FONT]

It may be a middle name.

 

[Hope4More]

One last observation relating to timelines.

LE said the last time (an unspecified number of the kids) had seen a doctor was 4 years ago.

According to LE, all of the children (except for the baby) had been malnourished and abused for years. How was it possible for a doctor to examine any of the kids and not notice what had to appear to be, best possible case, significant and unexplained under development?

 

[Spellbound]

This is pure speculation but last time they moved, the parents left the dogs and a kitten in Texas. We know the animals were found by a neighbor and okay, but the kids didn't know that. What if the parents said they were moving again and the girls didn't want their dogs to be left behind/die, so they escaped now for that reason? I know LE said they were planning it for 2 years, but the thought of losing their dogs could have spurred them to act now.

I have a feeling the kids were not allowed to interact and become attached with the little dogs. Otherwise, wouldn’t someone make sure the dogs were fostered somewhere until they could be reunited with them? All the resources supporting these kids seem to put the children’s needs first, and the dogs don’t appear to be a high priority. Is that only because they had no attachment? If they did, I suspect arrangements would have already been made for them to visit each other... dogs are good therapy.

 

[DakotaMayi]

It may be a middle name.

Maybe. But that's still not what the sister implied.

 

[DakotaMayi]

I have a feeling the kids were not allowed to interact and become attached with the little dogs. Otherwise, wouldn’t someone make sure the dogs were fostered somewhere until they could be reunited with them? All the resources supporting these kids seem to put the children’s needs first, and the dogs don’t appear to be a high priority. Is that only because they had no attachment? If they did, I suspect arrangements would have already been made for them to visit each other... dogs are good therapy.

I agree with you here, Spellz.

And allowing them to interact with the dogs would be too kind for them.

 

[Inthedetails]

Not sure if we are thinking the matching clothing is weird because of the situation. But looking through my own FB feed, I realised that many people do this. Especially going to Disney. I have a couple friends who just returned from Disney World. One was parents and all adult children and each of their families. And guess what all had matching shirts! Someone made comment on how cute and they replied easy to keep up with one another.

Also I saw many photos (again my own FB)that kids had matching clothing. Whether it was on or whatever.

In looking through ss I saved there was a photo of parents and infant, with another couple who was tagged. The lady tagged in comment call "cuz".

And did anyone else notice on Circus Circus it is dated 2017 by CC?

Matching clothes for a large group of children at a place like Disney makes sense. But not all those matchy-matchers were children!

And the wedding matching clothes were just plain ugly. Sorry. It was not cute to dress them like that.

Parents make clothing decisions that work for the family. I get that and it's none of my business. But those kids were dressed in a way that seems manipulative and mean.

jmopinion that might not matchy-match with others

 

[margarita25]

As a country, we need to do better with our children. As my husband said, "Okay. This family was caught, but how many more cases are out there?"

Most homeschooling parents do a very good job, but how do we really know what goes on inside a home when a city, county, or state does no checks? Academically, the parental requirement is a h.s. diploma. Seems fine, but how long ago did they get that diploma? Should parents be tested before they are permitted to educate their child? Should there be a background check on who's living in the house?

With no knowledge of home situations and no visits, how can a child be protected? Sandcastle is listed with the State of California as a private school. There was supposed to be a fire check. Never happened, but that would not necessarily have uncovered the abuses. Home schooling, IMO, needs welfare checks and conferences with a child.

I'm not suggesting discontinuing home school, just that we need to do a better job monitoring.

O/T, I'm curious what the stats are re: child abuse victims and home schooled vs non home schooled. I'm sure there are some articles on this. As we know, attempting to isolate the children is common.

 

[TTF14]

The gap between 12 and 13 bothers me. I worry about a nine year gap when she was pregnant every year for 12 years.

Miscarriages? Infants who died? Perimenopause, affecting her fertility? Is that child hers?

I'd be very surprised to learn the two year old is her baby.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I still happen to have David Turpin's grandmother's obituary handy:

http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
(scroll down for his message)

Thank you!!!!

 

[dyannaON]

I wonder when they will get their first meal and what it will be.


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[Oceanaire]

Long, long time lurker, first time poster

A thought. If the 17 year old girl had been planning the escape for 2 years perhaps the second child that initially went with her was the 2 year old?

 

[Inthedetails]

O/T, I'm curious what the stats are re: child abuse victims and home schooled vs non home schooled. I'm sure there are some articles on this. As we know, attempting to isolate the children is common.

I don't know that. I know several homeschooling families and if anything, the homeschooled students are less isolated the children in a schoolroom all day. Homeschooling does not mean you have to stay home - people know that, right?

I would agree that abusers might isolate their children, but I don't agree that homeschoolers isolate their children.

jmo

 

[curiosityscat]

I really believe the BS amount was provided because to put down what they actually spent on food would have raised a gigantic red flag to everyone reviewing their bankruptcy application.

But (or also?): the monsters claimed to spend just over $1,000 per month more than (his) total monthly income, thus the bankruptcy filing. If they reported the actual amount they were spending on food, they probably wouldn't have been able to file for bankruptcy.

SPEAKING OF WHICH....
....Sooo... Does that mean that the IRS CAN file against them for breaking the IRS Laws? Specifically, providing false information on a Government Document?
(Or some such, as I’m not a lawyer)...
The above statue, I believe, is the one that caused 2 Reality Host Parents with deep Italian Roots, to end up both serving separate prison sentences..

Of course, these Monsters (Sorry I have a difficult time using the “P” word, and innocent until proven guilty can bite my a**ericks! in THIS case!!), are looking at so many charges and so much jail time that IRS charges would be a moot point, but still... if they “lied” on an “official” gov’t document , such as bankruptcy court papers (claimed income/expenses/real collateral property/etc.), then if something happens with all these current charges, they (LE/Courts), could use this tactic/route to add more potential time to their sentences...Although I doubt it will be needed...still it is a valid question, I think.

As always the above is just my humble opinion, views, thoughts, etc.; unless, I specify an actual website URL and/or I reference a specific and clear source!..Thanks!

 

[margarita25]

There was an article in today's Daily Mail that the parents had contacted friends in Perris and said they were moving.......evidently didn't say where. According to the article, the move was to be this week. My opinion that if the children knew about the upcoming move, that may have been the deciding factor in the 17-year-old's decision to escape now.

I really wonder where they were planning on going?

 

[Inthedetails]

SPEAKING OF WHICH....
....Sooo... Does that mean that the IRS CAN file against them for breaking the IRS Laws? Specifically, providing false information on a Government Document?
(Or some such, as I’m not a lawyer)...
The above statue, I believe, is the one that caused 2 Reality Host Parents with deep Italian Roots, to end up both serving separate prison sentences..

Of course, these Monsters (Sorry I have a difficult time using the “P” word, and innocent until proven guilty can bite my a**ericks! in THIS case!!), are looking at so many charges and so much jail time that IRS charges would be a moot point, but still... if they “lied” on an “official” gov’t document , such as bankruptcy court papers (claimed income/expenses/real collateral property/etc.), then if something happens with all these current charges, they (LE/Courts), could use this tactic/route to add more potential time to their sentences...Although I doubt it will be needed...still it is a valid question, I think.

As always the above is just my humble opinion, views, thoughts, etc.; unless, I specify an actual website URL and/or I reference a specific and clear source!..Thanks!

I suppose, but seems like a lot of work without a return. The charges facing the parents are enough to put them away for life, and I think investigating bankruptcy paperwork from years ago would be a low priority.

But what do I know?

jmo

 

[Oceanaire]

I don't know that. I know several homeschooling families and if anything, the homeschooled students are less isolated the children in a schoolroom all day. Homeschooling does not mean you have to stay home - people know that, right?

I would agree that abusers might isolate their children, but I don't agree that homeschoolers isolate their children.

jmo

I totally agree with this (full disclosure: I homeschool my children ) It is abusers that isolate their children.

 

[TTF14]

I don't know that. I know several homeschooling families and if anything, the homeschooled students are less isolated the children in a schoolroom all day. Homeschooling does not mean you have to stay home - people know that, right?

I would agree that abusers might isolate their children, but I don't agree that homeschoolers isolate their children.

jmo

And there are many reasons people choose to home school their children that have nothing to do with their desire to abuse them. The fact that homeschooling is legal/exists probably makes it easier for some parents to get away with abusing their kids, but they'd be abused anyway even if they went to regular school.

 

[Hope4More]

I have a feeling the kids were not allowed to interact and become attached with the little dogs. Otherwise, wouldn’t someone make sure the dogs were fostered somewhere until they could be reunited with them? All the resources supporting these kids seem to put the children’s needs first, and the dogs don’t appear to be a high priority. Is that only because they had no attachment? If they did, I suspect arrangements would have already been made for them to visit each other... dogs are good therapy.

The monsters clearly didn't value their pets' lives either: they left their 2 dogs and a kitten behind to starve, alone in the house, when they fled Texas.

These are folks who displayed food in front of their starving children and forbade them to eat it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they used the dogs as a similiar kind of psychological torture, feeding them well not because they cared about the dogs, but as another way of demonstrating their hatred for their children.

 

[Spellbound]

So do I. (I still think it is a wig)!!!!

Too unkempt to be a wig, IMO. Besides, he has worn this same hairstyle since high school, according to a post made here (possibly it was in the last thread). I think it is his own hair. But what would I know? This case has too many strange and unbelievable factors already.

 

[margarita25]

I'm saying, as LE has said in this very case, that people should call in their concerns to LE when they see situations that look like abuse. Mandatory Reporters have a mandatory reporting duty, but that's often through CPS - my mother is a mandatory reporter and in addition to filing her required reports will often make an informal report to a police officer she knows in extreme cases. Calling the police for a welfare check is an immediate step that happens that minute. These abuse cases happen just as often with public and private school children. The responsibility to stop it starts with the parents, continues with the extended family, and extends to the community. No one likes this answer because then we must blame ourselves instead of state agencies, but people make changes, not bureaucracies.

This case has opened my eyes to being more aware of possible signs of abuse.