CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[EstrellaEspectral]

I think it was the other sister that was on 20/20 tonight and she said there was sexual abuse from a family member other than the parents.

SBM

Did anyone else watch 20/20 tonight? I thought I heard EJ say tonight that the abuse was by a trusted family friend. Is this another changed story or did I misunderstand?

 

[Tricia]

While the children's identities are being protected I say we go with Lilibet's suggestion.

Survivor 1, Survivor 2, Survivor 3, and so on.

There are members who have a billion tons more talent than I do when it comes to using computers and creating pictures.

What about if one of these talented posters took one of the pictures where the faces are not shown, and assign their names. I hope I am making sense. Perhaps go clockwise around the picture.

OR, if we know their ages maybe that is the way to go.

Survivor 1 is two years old, Survivor 2 is seven years old. and so on.

It's up to you all. If someone could put this together I would really appreciate it. My eyeballs feel like they are made of razor blades and are spinning backward in my skull. It's been a hard day so any help one of your talented members could offer will be greatly appreciated by yours truly.

Hopefully, this will settle this discussion and we can move on.

Thank you Lilibet. Great idea.

BBM

Respectfully, it is important to discuss. The sensitivity of members (and victims/survivors) should be respected and not discounted IMO. Although it may just seem like a convenient descriptive reference, if it makes members cringe when the expression “Thing” is used, it would be respectful to the sensitivities of members and victims/survivors to find another way to reference those photos.

Words have power and those children were degraded and were treated like “things.” If they ever read here, I hate for them to see us calling them that just because it’s easier. We can’t really split hairs and say we are only talking about their shirts. We have no idea how they felt about those shirts. Not everything Dr Seuss wrote was fun. They are all victims and thankfully, survivors. Let’s honor them. Personally, I would like to see them called “Survivor 1, 2, etc.”
JMO

 

[perfectingpink]

SBM

Did anyone else watch 20/20 tonight? I thought I heard EJ say tonight that the abuse was by a trusted family friend. Is this another changed story or did I misunderstand?

On 20/20, EJ said the abuse was not by their parents.

 

[georgiajean]

I thought it was previously reported the children were there everytime, but the narrator on 20/20 said they were there 2 times with all of the children. :dunno:

There are only 2 videos with the children, and one video that just shows DT/LT. Elvis man said all the children were there all three times. I would trust the Elvis man's memory, IMO, over the 20/20 narrator.

 

[perfectingpink]

This is pretty much what EJ stated on 20/20:

'I LIVED IN FEAR' Turpin family – Sister of hell house mum reveals their own abusive childhood and how she watched her mother get raped


[....]

In another book Elizabeth goes into further detail about how she was sexually abused from the age of nine by a trusted family member.

“When I was a little girl and growing up I was molested," she writes in the book “Resilience In The Storm”.

"I think I was around nine-years-old when a family member that I loved so much and I was supposed to be able to trust molested me.

[....]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/53671...ood-and-how-she-watched-her-mother-get-raped/

ETA: On 20/20 she clarified the family member was not one of her parents.

 

[georgiajean]

SBM

Did anyone else watch 20/20 tonight? I thought I heard EJ say tonight that the abuse was by a trusted family friend. Is this another changed story or did I misunderstand?

You heard right. We were told that the abuser was not a parent.

 

[georgiajean]

Here's a start to the "Survivor List"
Hopefully those with more info can add it, like the birth years if known. Should we put the first 3 letters of names, as in the court filings? Or just their first initials? ( Sorry, couldn't help a little moment of levity in all this sorrow).

Survivor 1, 29,
Survivor 2, 25/26 years
Survivor 3, 24 years
Survivor 4, 22 years
Survivor 5, 20 years
Survivor 6, 19 years
Survivor 7, 18 years
Survivor 8 (and Shero!!), 17 years
Survivor 9, 15/16 years
Survivor 10, 14 years
Survivor 11, 13 years
Survivor 12, 12 years
Survivor 13, 2 years

 

[Rocco]

On 20/20, EJ said the abuse was not by their parents.

Yes, I just went back and watched that segment and EJ says it was by a family member but not her parents. Unlike what she said previously which was: "daddy started "picking on her" sexually"

So now we have:

1.) EJ saying the child who escaped was named after her, which she wasn't.

2.) The parents took several flights to go visit Louise and the children but were turned away each time and went home crying, which they didn't.

3.) Daddy started picking on her sexually after Louise left, which she now claims it wasn't him.

4.) She initially claimed David walked in on her while she was taking a shower and laughed, didn't leave, and it made her uncomfortable. Tonight she said she was taking a shower and Louise picked the lock to the bathroom door with a coat hanger and her and David came in and stayed, even while she got out of the shower.

I'm going to look up the word 'embellish' in the dictionary and see if there's a picture of her next to the definition.

Time to disappear EJ, you've had your 15 minutes of fame and have made a fool out of yourself to boot.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

From the Los Angeles Times. My apologies if this article has already been posted.

Like a poster said before me this is becoming one of the biggest cases of child abuse in a home with 2 parents. It is mind-numbing what is coming out about these poor kids and the adults who were tortured too.

I don't even know how to comment on something like this.

My guess is that cases of this magnitude are probably not at all uncommon in fundamentalist religious circles. It may just be that this is the first that has come to light.

Remember that there was a time when serial killers were believed to be rare, exotic creatures but experience has shown that there may be hundreds of the buggers running around at any one time.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I've been trying to catch up since day 2 and I'm still only near the end of thread #3

This post stands out at the moment

posted by enelram



I was curious who was the abuser of EJ, and this post says it was the father and that it started after LT left home. I think EJ was only about 9 at the time, which suggests to me that the father had lost his usual victim and had to move prematurely onto the next girl even though she hadn't yet hit puberty. That would be a very good reason for LT to want to elope. It would explain the father's attitude that was given in one of the newspaper interviews with the sister TR (I think it was the Daily Mail).

I suspect a number of girls who have had less than ideal childhoods/teen years have a deep desire for a baby, and I think maybe that contributes to LT's behavior, along with the religious 'ideal' of having a huge family of numerous 'blessings'. LT doesn't look very comfortable with her eldest daughter in the photo where the eldest daughter is about 18 months old? LT still doesn't look very comfortable in the picture with her newborn baby #13, she's not really cuddling the newborn baby but sort of holding it more like I associate non-parent males who are handed a baby to hold for a few moments and they don't really know how to hold the baby or what to do with it.

So I think all this behavior has very deep roots, with this deep need for a large and perfect family, but absolutely no emotional or life skills to achieve that. Instead we hear from the sister EJ that even when there were only a smaller number of younger children in the home that the children were strictly taught to only spoke when spoken to etc (which reminds me a little of the alphabetized DVD's...a control issue). LT's mother looks anorexic in the picture of that family prior to LT's elopement, though LT looks a very healthy weight, but does that somehow impact LT's thinking on food issues and how she perceives the looks of her children and their height/weight? The eldest daughter looks anorexically ill in all the pictures of her, but getting worse as time goes on, but does LT actually consider this some kind of 'ideal' based on what her mother looked like at the time she left? And if the mother was dealing with a husband who was abusing his daughters that could be a cause for eating disorder in the mother of LT. Thinking about what I'm saying, maybe I am effectively suggesting some kind of Munchhausen by proxy in that LT might be using the children's weights and feeding as a proxy for her own issues instead of starving herself (and maybe part of her knows she can't starve herself if she wants to be pregnant every year or two) but it also combines with controlling the lives of the children and presumably punishment.

This abuse must have started to get very severe before the eldest was 16-18 years old, because somehow they've made a subconscious or conscious decision to not allow their children to grow into adults in the normal way, to go to college, get a job, move out, marry and have their own families. LT and DT are adding to their own life problems by holding onto these adult children, but once they'd made that decision with the eldest, they'd dug this hole that they couldn't get out of... assuming they could have got out of it before. They could well have fallen into this decision due to the fear of the elder children leaving home and telling someone about the conditions in the home....which we have heard may have precipitated the move to California from Texas.

When we think of the so-called Quivering families, most of us think of the Duggars as a 'model'. There's a lot of things that go into it, the homeschooling, the religion, the beliefs against contraception and the more children the better, the Gothard way, and the borderline to actual abuse that can go on in some of those families, yet there's a particular presentation to the 'public' (whether that's neighbors, church friends, whatever) of well-dressed, often identically-dressed in home-sewn dresses for the girls that wouldn't look out of place many decades ago but do look out of place on a child over five in this era, and polite, well-behaved children who don't talk back, and maybe don't even initiate a lot of conversations (don't speak unless you're spoken to). But even if you compare to a family like the Duggars, there are a whole host of differences that seem far more important than the similarities. Like the health of the children, and that the Duggar children actually get to grow up!

So, to DT's elderly parents I think that's the image they have of their son and his brood, and to them they'd probably see something very positive (of course there are positives in the image of well-dressed, well-behaved children!). But it can't be just his elderly parents, other people saw those pictures of skinny children, anorexic-looking children, grown adult women dressed like five-year old girls. Did any relatives who knew the ages of those 'children' ever ask what the adult children were doing with their adult lives? Living at home would not seem unusual in this culture, it would likely seem normal for an unmarried adult child, but what about college or jobs or courting? What about any of the children doing things other than posing for occasional full-family photos?

I don't know what else to say other than I hope these young people continue to get amazing support, both on the physical and emotional levels and that somehow they can figure out, and be supported in achieving, a positive outcome for themselves.

LT Mother's obit did not list husband, but listed the sisters and half brother who have been in media as well as 2 more. So possible it was step father not bio father.

The link that was given for -DT grandmother's obit, which was his paternal grandmother, she had 10 bio children, husband passed she remarried and had couple step grandchildren. Had 80 grandchildren!! 167 great grandchildren and 63 great great grandchildren!!!! This is grandmother -DT wrote children names. So large family seem be normal for Turpin side. Wow just wow that's a ton of family!

 

[Meryl12]

WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS PUG09

:wagon: :welcome6: :welcome:

 

[Pug09]

WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS PUG09
:wagon: :welcome6: :welcome:

Thanks! Don’t really know how to do this yet but thought I would give it a try since I had the info lol

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I don't recall EJ saying her dad sexually assaulted her, only that a trusted family member did. Is there a link to that quote? Was it in the self-published book?

I wanted to give EJ the benefit of the doubt, but when I watched an interview of her speaking about the case - I think it was ABC Morning - her crying just seemed so fake. Like she was putting on a show, there were no actual tears. On the other hand, I do think Teresa and Billy seem more genuine in their anger and disgust at what has happened.

What kind of sister would say, "I don't agree with what she did, but..." like it was just some difference of political opinion, not the systematic torture, imprisonment and starvation of her young nieces and nephews. That made me angry.

Don't even get me started on the father of DT who seems to want to think this whole wretched situation is fake news or something. Total denial.

I definitely think it would be in the children's best interests to not be fostered by/given into the care of any of the nearest relatives. They need careful nurturing by experienced and compassionate professionals. People who are better equipped to care for their long term (as well as short term) needs.

 

[kiwi50]

Are they trying to copy the Duggar family. All their children’s names start with J too.
The hideous 2013 video of the couple renewing their vows, is one of the most disturbing videos I’ve seen on YouTube. I wish the Elvis Chapel would take the video down the children don’t deserve to be exposed to strangers watching them.

 

[Leila]

Thank you so much! I missed the 20/20 episode and am anxious to see it!

 

[Pug09]

Thank you so much! I missed the 20/20 episode and am anxious to see it!

It really didn’t give much more info than we already know from the news or these threads. It was still good though.

 

[Pug09]

Are they trying to copy the Duggar family. All their children’s names start with J too.
The hideous 2013 video of the couple renewing their vows, is one of the most disturbing videos I’ve seen on YouTube. I wish the Elvis Chapel would take the video down the children don’t deserve to be exposed to strangers watching them.

Agreed! The videos are already saved out there though, unfortunately. 😢

 

[Rocco]

Thanks! Don’t really know how to do this yet but thought I would give it a try since I had the info lol

You did a great job, Pug! Thank you.

(But I don't think Tricia meant for their names to be included. You may want to check to be sure)

 

[rsd1200]

Lewd acts on a child Under 14?
If any of them are pregnant, they had no contact with anyone outside the family so...
Possible, but due to malnutrition unlikely, however babies are born to starving women in other cultures every day.

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I don't really think any of them are expecting, but, I will say, that the following statement that LT's brother made, give me pause;

Billy, 30, a self-employed remodeler of mobile homes who lives in Hixson, Tennessee, said he was the last family member to speak to Louise. He had called her on Wednesday January 10, to talk about a possible trip out to California.

'She told me she was getting ready to buy a school bus,' he said.

'Then she told me they wanted another child. I said are you serious? Why would you want another kid, haven't you got enough?

But she said: 'Yes I want another child.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5289527/David-Louise-Turpin-eloped-16.html

 

[Lilibet]

Here's a start to the "Survivor List"
Hopefully those with more info can add it, like the birth years if known. Should we put the first 3 letters of names, as in the court filings? Or just their first initials? ( Sorry, couldn't help a little moment of levity in all this sorrow).

Survivor 1, 29,
Survivor 2, 25/26 years
Survivor 3, 24 years
Survivor 4, 22 years
Survivor 5, 20 years
Survivor 6, 19 years
Survivor 7, 18 years
Survivor 8 (and Shero!!), 17 years
Survivor 9, 15/16 years
Survivor 10, 14 years
Survivor 11, 13 years
Survivor 12, 12 years
Survivor 13, 2 years

David Turpin and Louise Turpin Children

Survivor 1: 29 years old - DOB 7/28/88 - Jen <snip>
Survivor 2: 25 years old - DOB 2/3/92 - Jos <snip>
Survivor 3: 24 years old - DOB 11/3/93 - Jes <snip>
Survivor 4: 22 years old - DOB 11/17/95 - Jon <snip>
Survivor 5: 20 years old - DOB 5/21/97 - Joy <snip>
Survivor 6: 19 years old - Jul <snip>
Survivor 7: 18 years old - Jea <snip>
Survivor 8 (Escaped): 17 years old - Jor <snip>
Survivor 9: 15 or 16 years old - Jam <snip>
Survivor 10: 14 years old - Joa <snip>
Survivor 11: 13 years old - Jol <snip>
Survivor 12: 12 years old - Jul <snip>
Survivor 13: 2 years old - Unknown

Nice work, you two! And thank you Tricia! Great idea about the photo. I love knowing their names. What about taking a blurred photo, as Tricia suggested, and doing a combination of name abbreviation/age? For example: Survivor 1 Jen-29, Survivor 2 Jos-25, etc. For me, having a snippet of name, as they were in the court papers, plus their current age helps me keep them straight and give each one an identity without revealing their whole name. I like the photo with the &#8220;thing&#8221; shirts where they&#8217;re all lined up in age order. But I don&#8217;t have the skill to do it. Thoughts?

ETA: See my next post about not using names and checking with Tricia. I was confused when I read her post about &#8220;naming them.&#8221;