CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[margarita25]

I grew up in a home that was in very similar condition to the pictures we are seeing of the Turpin’s homes. My parents also abandoned the homes in the condition they were in and moved elsewhere where the pattern repeated itself. A mentally ill mother and an alcoholic father were the catalyst in my situation so I won’t be surprised if there is substance abuse in some fashion in this situation. Thankfully, the abuse I received was ‘just’ emotional and slaps and shoves. My husband has expressed concern for me immersing myself in these threads but I’ve found it cathartic to see the horror others are expressing about the conditions of the homes the Turpins lived in. The child in me feels comforted to know that others would have been horrified for me too.

I am 54 now, married to a good man who showed me a better way to live and loves me unconditionally. I’ve raised two normal, well adjusted, successful children. Though my childhood certainly still effects my life, it has not been the end of it. There is hope for these children and young adults.

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[arkansasmimi]

I do hope this report is inaccurate. It has been less than a week since these children were rescued from their unbelievably traumatic existence. I cannot begin to understand what they have been through in the past, and the physical, emotional and mental effects it has had on the only life they have known so far.
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It must be so difficult for them to try to adjust to what they are experiencing now, care, cleanliness, food, love and a freedom from fear of punishment. This adjustment just cannot happen in a week surely they haven't even settled within the professional hospital/care environments where they are now - then after a short time being moved elsewhere? Please I hope not.

Their health is of paramount importance due to the treatment they have endured, and how would it be possible for the necessary medical and psychological treatment to continue if they were moved elsewhere?

I would hope they might in time begin to feel a sense of security with the present arrangements, please don't let that sense of security be taken from them too quickly.

I am so grateful to all those that have donated, and I can but wonder at the unbelievable joy these poor children may have at being given their own possession. Possessions like their own shoes, clothes, toiletries - I hope they are encouraged to write their names in their shoes.

If they could be released as soon as Mon that is a good thing. Meaning while malnourished not critical. They only need to be in hospital til medical needs met. I would think it is a foster family, and fully vetted. Just because they are moving to a home doesn't mean they won't be getting all sorts of therapy's. And there is are many legal issues other than DT and LT. T

I pray it true and their healing journey begins and with privacy.

 

[margarita25]

rsbm

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[Trino]

Trino,

I think only 7 of them are "adults." 6 were minors. I could be wrong about that number, but I thought that's what I read.

And yes, I'm putting that in quotes because, as I said I feel they are only "adults" in a CHRONOLOGICAL sense of the term. As I said, these kids have been so horribly tortured and stunted their entire lives that in every other way, they are still children. They will need to be taught how to manage daily routines that all of us take for granted. Bathing, eating normal meals, brushing their teeth, choosing their own clothes and dressing. I would not be surprised if they are extremely apprehensive about bathing, because subconsciously they might still fear punishment.

So for a time, I really feel like they do in fact need to be treated like children. I'm not saying to patronize or humiliate them, but they need to be treated gently and given some kind of motherly and fatherly care that they were NEVER given in their lives. After the horror they suffered for decades, what is wrong with that??? Why the h*ll can't they just be kids for a little while in their lives for once?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit mad here, but in your last two posts you seemed to complain about them being called "kids" or "children" and it almost sounds as if they just need some life coaching and bam now they can be fully functioning adults punching a time clock and living independently in a house with a white picket fence and 2 cars. I know that's not what you meant, but it almost sounded that way.

So, no, I'm going to call them all CHILDREN. After what they've been through, I really don't give a flying fig (censoring myself) if they are over 18.

I'm sorry. This just really upset me. I've personally seen and known young adults who were in very bad situations and yes I would say abused...and they didn't get the help they needed. "oh well, they're over 18, they're adults. They're not kids. Who cares." Well, not everyone magically becomes a capable adult just because it turns 12:01 AM on their birthday.

I'm praying for all these KIDS.

Just saying LEGALLY one cannot just adopt an adult.

 

[Considering]

Yes I'm sure they know what they are doing, Monday is just not what I would have expected, given previous statements concerning their health when rescued.

If true, maybe it's only the 2 year old who will be moved to foster care on Monday. She was in better shape than her siblings.

 

[bestill]

Even though the youngest child wasn't considered abused and the parents weren't charged with that count does CPS still have the same authority that they do with the other siblings? Hope there's no loophole there.

 

[Ct92404]

I have no doubts about the hospital staff. They really do seem to be very competent and caring. They will release the kids when and only when they are medically ready for the next step. I'm actually just doubting the information itself. I think someone is reporting something by mistake, that they misunderstood something. The media definitely does get things wrong, especially in a big case like this, and they have to make retractions all the time.

So personally I don't think this information about the kids being moved to foster care is credible. Not until we get an official statement from authorities that confirms it.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have no doubts about the hospital staff. They really do seem to be very competent and caring. They will release the kids when and only when they are medically ready for the next step. I'm actually just doubting the information itself. I think someone is reporting something by mistake, that they misunderstood something. The media definitely does get things wrong, especially in a big case like this, and they have to make retractions all the time.

So personally I don't think this information about the kids being moved to foster care is credible. Not until we get an official statement from authorities that confirms it.

Agree. These survivors are going to need acute medical care for at least a few months, in my amateur opinion. Increasing their weight too rapidly could be stressful on their hearts I would think. I can only imagine Ensure, or something similar is being used as their stomachs aren’t used to holding much.

 

[Abp5]

Great post! ITA.
It’s like Groundhog Day over and over. Wedding, honeymoon, pregnancy, baby...wedding, honeymoon, pregnancy, baby...

And the huge DVD collection, all of the unopened toys in the house and the Mickey Mouse clothing reminds me of something a teenage girl would have.

Her one sister T said in a recent interview that she always thought her sister Louise was quite well off, she always shopping and buying the newest clothing and new purses.

She sounds like she was living thar fantasy of pretending to be a teenager. Creepy!



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I have to agree about the ‘pretending to be a teenager’! She created a private FB account under her maiden name. The picture uploaded is reminiscent of adults trying to look like teens. She is extremely thin and her closet ha remind me of something my teens would have worn a few years ago.

 

[DakotaMayi]

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(Also, Carlos' thread came up today with new posts so it seems both Los and Foxfire have been bought to the forefront of our minds within the same few hours. (Are you here with us, Los? Foxfire?) )

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[margarita25]

After they lost the house to a foreclosure, the mortgage company came out to start cleaning up the property.

'”I was so scared when they picked up the trash, I was hoping they wouldn't find dead bodies, they found several dead animals in the house. It was a tense eight years while they lived next to us.'“

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-kids-says-family-left-kitten-dumpster.html

( :furious:

#$@ )

I am concerned about the comments from a neighbor in Texas who said that the dumpster at the abandoned home smelled like death. I am afraid that whoever disposed of the contents assumed the smell was rotting food/meat, no one looked, and God only knows what could have been in there.

As an animal rescuer, I'm going to point out that if these people had been pursued for abandoning those animals, leaving them to die locked in that Texas house, it's possible that these children would not have suffered for another decade. Maybe the authorities didn't know, if the neighbors did not report it. This is why it is so important to report animal abuse and abandonment.

The ball was dropped when it came to obvious animal abandonment and abuse on at least one occasion, but I'm betting it was not the only time.

Further, whoever cleaned out that house should have notified authorities and they should have been tracked. It was clear every time they left a place that they were living in horrid conditions with children. There were several missed opportunities on that front as well.

So how many times did the system fail these kids? Count up every move where the homes looked practically condemnable, and every time they abandoned an animal.

When we entered a home like this because of an animal hoarding or abandonment issue, here was the protocol. Humane workers/animal control ask police to open the place and accompany them. Photos are taken. Animals removed. Home is reported to the health department. Owners or residents are tracked. Minors and disabled adults are checked on because obviously they had been living in terrible conditions.

It seems none of this happened. Assuming no one called animal control, then it becomes the responsibility of the bank or owners of the rented home, who must be aware of these living conditions, to notify the authorities.

Often in animal rescue I get a case where a street animal is near death and I wonder how many people turned a blind eye before someone finally called us. Many. Many, I tell you. They don't have to help, they just need to make a damned phone call. Yet they don't. And then I am left with a 2 1/2 pound adult cat who is missing a leg and an eye, and eventually dies in my arms with me weeping over the fact that her internal organs were too damaged for me to save her despite immediate vet care.

This is what happened to these kids. The very same thing. Now they have lost years and will suffer, and the kind hospital folks will continue to have secondary traumatic stress disorder.

End of rant.

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I hear ya vmmking re your rants about the animal abuse, etc and the possible warning signs, etc...how did all this not get reported?

And thanks again for all you do with your animal rescue work!

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[rosesfromangels]

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(Also, Carlos' thread came up today with new posts so it seems both Los and Foxfire have been bought to the forefront of our minds within the same few hours. (Are you here with us, Los? Foxfire?) )

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[Bluebonnet_72]

I'm an adoptive mom to a sibling group from foster care, so I have a few thoughts about the process of placing these children.
First, they can be placed with a foster family while still in the hospital. The foster family then acts as a parent visiting the children, taking care of day to day tasks like any parent of a child in the hospital. I'm not surprised they want to identify a foster family fairly quickly. The case workers just don't have the time to sit with hospitalized children the way a family would.
High profile cases like this often bring out offers to help from a lot of tender- hearted people. "I'll just take them all and love on them" is a pretty common thought. Most of these people have not completed home studies, and the training necessary to be foster families and it would take months to get them certified. If they have identified a family willing to take them, that family already has some training and has been background checked.
Keeping the children together will be very complex. Most states limit the number of children who can share a bedroom, and require a specific amount of square footage per child. The adults may be placed with guardians if they are not mentally able to care for themselves. The process to become a guardian for a dependent adult is a little different then fostering children. I suppose the family could agree to do both. It is likely that exceptions can be made to the limits on the number of children in a home for the purpose of keeping siblings together. In our state, we call that an "over-fill." Keeping siblings together would be a reason for that to be approved.
The real question becomes, "How to care for a sibling group of 13?" I adopted a sibling group of 3. I adore my children, and would do it again without question. However, it was HARD. The first few years were utterly overwhelming. The relationships between the children remain complex to this day. I can't imagine 13. Sometimes, after the initial shock wears off, it becomes apparently that the relationships between the children aren't healthy and supportive. Unwritten family rules and trauma bonds can keep some siblings in emotional bondage. Older siblings sometimes have taken the role of parent and have a difficult time letting go of that position.
I am a huge advocate of keeping siblings together. It is usually the best approach. Sometimes though, at least for a time, it is better to place them in separate homes and make sibling visits a priority. I hope they can stay together, but it is going to be a huge, life long challenge for any family that tries to do this.

 

[Doghairrules]

Regarding everyone's concern over the possibility of them being moved to a possible adoptive home I believe that if it is an experienced, well qualified foster home that is truly wanting to adopt this would be a much better environment for these siblings than an sort of a group home. I worked for CPS for 6 years and no group home, no matter how wonderful the staff, is still a group home with people who are being paid to care for the siblings and could quit or leave at anytime. Not to mention the instability and inconsistency that comes with having multiple caregivers. These siblings need a loving nurturing home with adults who will stick by them no matter what and who will teach them the skills they need to be successful and that only comes in an actual home not a group one. I believe that the right family with support from a team of therapist and healthcare professionals could be more successful in helping these kids heal.

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I completely agree. Ime, I’ve never seen a group home that functions like a family. In my area, everyone is forced to do the same group activities whether they want to or not because there is not enough staff to allow for individual choices. I think that kind of situation would be harmful for these survivors after all they’ve been through.

 

[Doghairrules]

I wonder what a collection like that cost .

In the bankruptcy docs, I think the dvds were worth $2500? And the clothing for the whole family was worth $500. Sigh.

 

[margarita25]

:grouphug:

(Also, Carlos' thread came up today with new posts so it seems both Los and Foxfire have been bought to the forefront of our minds within the same few hours. (Are you here with us, Los? Foxfire?) )

ETA: Carlos' thread is here - https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?335058-los2188-has-passed-away

(This case is so horrific it obviously requires a team of angels!!! Both on earth and from above! )

 

[x_files]

Yes, and no authorities were contacted?

It seems no one liked to get the police involved in this case. depressing.

 

[Abp5]

Agree. These survivors are going to need acute medical care for at least a few months, in my amateur opinion. Increasing their weight too rapidly could be stressful on their hearts I would think. I can only imagine Ensure, or something similar is being used as their stomachs aren’t used to holding much.

My guess is they are on TPN and not oral nourishment at this point (maybe limited oral nourishment). My brother is a nutritional support specialist and they specialize in this type of thing. TPN would provide their nourishment, electrolytes, vitamins, etc via IV. Once the body is able to tolerate the needed amount of nourishment they can slowly transition to oral nutrition. The problem often comes because the natural physical tendency is to consume large amounts of food because the body is in starvation mode. This is extremely dangerous. Even IF they were released from the hospital and into a home on Monday (which I have doubts about given what the doctors have implied) they would require ongoing medical care at home. Even for the most experienced person caring for multiple medically fragile people can be overwhelming. I wonder if the baby and some of the less medically fragile survivors will be placed? I doubt the older ones would be ready without round the clock medical care. JMHO

 

[margarita25]

Anyone have a link to the court documents???

Links to Riverside County, CA, criminal complaint against David Turpin and Louise Turpin, dated 10/18/2018, Case# R1F1800348:

http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/media/Turpin Complaint.pdf

For those who cannot open the above link, be sure to allow "ca.gov" and "pdf.js" in your browser. You could also look here and search for the complaint:

http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/media/high-interest-cases.shtml

From the media thread.

 

[x_files]

What I read was the statement made by their former neighbor, who, as a kid, snooped around the outside of the house after the family had abandoned it. She said that there were 2 DEAD DOGS in the dumpster, and a LIVE KITTEN, that she took home and kept. Also, when she opened the back door,two starving dogs met her at the door. She said that they had apparently been eating soiled diapers. She never said anything about rescuing the dogs, so they probably died of starvation inside the house.........JMO

depressing. If they were reported back then then the family would have been on the police's radar. I wish peoople would get involved.