CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[LostOldUserName]

I was severely abused by my mother who had crazy eyes like LT. I went to a lot of therapy and came to understand that she had the emotional maturity of a 3-year old and loved babies as long as they were like dolls. She kept having babies, but mostly had a lot of miscarriages and one "still" birth or maybe I would have 12 siblings instead of 4. Her childhood, especially at the age of 3, was extremely traumatic.

My mother wanted to be somebody and we were her minions in her search for that standing in the community that she wanted. She would choose all my clothes until I got a job and could buy my own. She would beat me literally bloody and then wrap me in her arms and tell me how much she loved me and how I made her so angry she hurt me by being a bad person..She would abandon all of us..

When I was ten and she came home from the hospital crying that her baby had died, I actually had no clue that she was pregnant. My dad was an electrician and he stayed away and drank a lot and later I learned that he was schizophrenic. My mother was diagnosed as borderline.

These people are damaged children creating more damaged children. I haven't commented here until now, when I read something about LT wanting another baby, and it all came crashing in on me.

Oh, and, I escaped by way of public school and a National Merit Scholarship. I was in therapy for 40 years and then still with major problems I got into a therapy called EMDR. It's for people with PTSD and my wish for these kids is that they can get the effective kind of help that EMDR gave me. I am no longer in therapy, but I did six and a half years of 90 minutes a week to become a pretty healthy person.

So sorry that this happened to you.

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[Cora]

I was severely abused by my mother who had crazy eyes like LT. I went to a lot of therapy and came to understand that she had the emotional maturity of a 3-year old and loved babies as long as they were like dolls. She kept having babies, but mostly had a lot of miscarriages and one "still" birth or maybe I would have 12 siblings instead of 4. Her childhood, especially at the age of 3, was extremely traumatic.

My mother wanted to be somebody and we were her minions in her search for that standing in the community that she wanted. She would choose all my clothes until I got a job and could buy my own. She would beat me literally bloody and then wrap me in her arms and tell me how much she loved me and how I made her so angry she hurt me by being a bad person..She would abandon all of us..

When I was ten and she came home from the hospital crying that her baby had died, I actually had no clue that she was pregnant. My dad was an electrician and he stayed away and drank a lot and later I learned that he was schizophrenic. My mother was diagnosed as borderline.

These people are damaged children creating more damaged children. I haven't commented here until now, when I read something about LT wanting another baby, and it all came crashing in on me.

Oh, and, I escaped by way of public school and a National Merit Scholarship. I was in therapy for 40 years and then still with major problems I got into a therapy called EMDR. It's for people with PTSD and my wish for these kids is that they can get the effective kind of help that EMDR gave me. I am no longer in therapy, but I did six and a half years of 90 minutes a week to become a pretty healthy person.

Thank you for your sharing and insight! EMDR has helped me tremendously as well.


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[Presley78]

I think it was so he could eventually provide financial support for them. Those two monsters only care about themselves. I don't think the kids ever got any true rewards.

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He could also be providing them funds from his financial aid. If he’s the 29 yo (I don’t remember which boy it was) but if he’s over 24, he’s considered an independent and his financial aid awards are based on his income and information only.
Depending on the cost of attendance and his enrollment status, he could receive some large refunds if he borrows the maximum loans.

PS- my day job is a Financial Aid Administrator for a college
IMOO [emoji202]


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[PoirotryInMotion]

Yea. I agree. The Turpin's stepped away from a very restrictive religion. That's not why they did this. I just finished watching the 20/20 episode and I realize now that Louise is probably more guilty in all this than maybe even David. Haven't figured him out at all yet. I have a psychology and human behavior degree and the mom's history very much fits the profile of someone with borderline personality disorder. My ex sister in law has it and it is not managed. She is psychologically abusive to my niece who is somewhat intellectually disabled. In the 20-20 Louise's sister talking about how the kids were locked in their rooms for hours at a time made me immediately think of my sis in law. My bro in law and his current wife have been fighting for full custody forever. It's a constant battle tho b/c the state of TX is a "mother's state" and it takes something monumental to get the state to relinquish full custody to fathers regardless of they ability to provide appropriate care. It's sad. Mind control is hard to prove especially when the only witness is a disabled 13 year old who has been brainwashed by mommy dearest. Louise very much reminds me of her.

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Layperson here (but with 2 shrinks in the family and lotsa counseling from dealing with a family member with borderline personality)--and have to admit I'm also getting that vibe with her and this case. I've sensed mental illness from the start, in fact, though this is not the sort of mental illness that lets anyone off the hook, morally or legally. It is a Jeckyl & Hyde sort of thing that, if present, makes a situation (or a case) so confusing at first...a clashing of behavior patterns that often seem contradictory. Those who are borderline can be quite adept at hiding their dark side from others, and can excel at (thrive on, in fact) putting on appearances--so can appear fine, even wonderful, on the surface and to outsiders.

The only ones borderlines can't hide their pathology from, though, are their close family members--the ones who are on the raw receiving end of their constant, unpredictable rages and manipulations. A mother with this pathology (in our experience) would be Queen, and will be perpetually defending her throne against any and all perceived threats (reason need not apply, here). Control is paramount. She can be paranoid, fearful, and will not only cut you or other family members off for imagined slights, but will do so dramatically, and glory in the retelling of how and when she did to the few remaining family members on speaking terms with her. (Obsessional thinking also has played a huge part in our family member's pathology.)

Once you've tiptoed around this personality for a few decades your 'high alert' kicks in whenever you sense the cues coming from similar others. So just a hunch, here, but based on personal experience with a familiar-feeling vibe.

 

[DatelineFan]

You described me perfectly. I will not call the police for anything short of an active shooter situation. Because I have zero confidence in their ability to handle anything. I know they are trained to escalate, not de-escalate situations, and I don't want to end up being responsible for making a situation worse.

On a personal level, I just don't want to talk to the police for any reason. At best, the police I have met in the last 30 years, are just not very nice. At worst, they are just the most obnoxious, vile, terrible, human beings I have ever met. I just don't deal with that type of people, if I can avoid it.

I avoid them at all costs, too. I have met some absolutely amazing Le, but after some pulled GUNS on me because my lights weren't on, I'm not interested in dealing with them unless it's absolutely necessary.

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[EstrellaEspectral]

Thank you for sharing your story with us grayjay. I'm sorry you had such a traumatic upbringing.

I have been doing EMDR as well as a few other PTSD treatments and I'm finding them very helpful. It gives me hope for these children should they be offered these latest treatments. We have really come a long way in our research on PTSD.

I was severely abused by my mother who had crazy eyes like LT. I went to a lot of therapy and came to understand that she had the emotional maturity of a 3-year old and loved babies as long as they were like dolls. She kept having babies, but mostly had a lot of miscarriages and one "still" birth or maybe I would have 12 siblings instead of 4. Her childhood, especially at the age of 3, was extremely traumatic.

My mother wanted to be somebody and we were her minions in her search for that standing in the community that she wanted. She would choose all my clothes until I got a job and could buy my own. She would beat me literally bloody and then wrap me in her arms and tell me how much she loved me and how I made her so angry she hurt me by being a bad person..She would abandon all of us..

When I was ten and she came home from the hospital crying that her baby had died, I actually had no clue that she was pregnant. My dad was an electrician and he stayed away and drank a lot and later I learned that he was schizophrenic. My mother was diagnosed as borderline.

These people are damaged children creating more damaged children. I haven't commented here until now, when I read something about LT wanting another baby, and it all came crashing in on me.

Oh, and, I escaped by way of public school and a National Merit Scholarship. I was in therapy for 40 years and then still with major problems I got into a therapy called EMDR. It's for people with PTSD and my wish for these kids is that they can get the effective kind of help that EMDR gave me. I am no longer in therapy, but I did six and a half years of 90 minutes a week to become a pretty healthy person.

 

[Abp5]

She looks really thin and proud of it in that photo. And the date is around two years before her last baby was born.

There is a photo of a very pregnant LT standing in front of a very nice crib. She's wearing a mickey mouse t shirt that has mickey's hands reaching towards her belly. From what can be seen of the room- wall and floor -they are clean.

Does anyone wonder about the possibility of her pregnant again?

I noticed that in the photo of just Dl and LT at disney, his hand looks like it's just laying on top of hers.

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Yes! There is a photo (I wish I could get it to upload on my phone) where the family is in all red and at a circus in Vegas. She looks visable pregnant. Her hair is lighter and shorter than the pregnancy photo in the MM shirt. I believe it coincides with the only Vegas renewal where she is in a different dress. She also has a white flower clip in her hair at the renewal and the older girls have heels on. I don’t think it is the youngest child because she looks just as far along in the family pic as she was in the MM shirt but her hair is a good bit shorter.

Maybe this links will show the picture

https://i1.wp.com/www.heresthejoy.c...018/01/Turpin-circus-circus-2014-copy-REV.jpg

 

[osu]

Does anyone have a link to the msm and not the Facebook link. It won't come up for me.

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This was posted by Neeha Curtis @ Cleveland 19 News, on her FB page. I’ve copied and pasted the full text below.

* This is a post from someone who was in 3rd grade with the oldest daughter.
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J—— Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit. She was often made fun of by the other third graders because her clothes would sometimes look as though they had been dragged through mud, which she would also smell like on most days. I distinctly remember my entire third grade class scoffing at her one day because our teacher had asked her to discard a scrunchy she had used to tie her hair out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's bar. After that year, J—— moved away, and she was forgotten about after we moved on to the the next "cootie kid."

Several years later, after high school, I found myself thinking about her again. I was bored at home and was passing the time by facebook stalking old elementary school classmates to see how they turned out, and I remember searching specifically for J——-. Her name was so distinct that there couldn't be any more than a few people who shared the name, yet no matching results came up. I had naturally assumed that J——- was one of the lucky few who hadn't been bit by the social media bug. I also thought somewhere, somehow, J——- was probably living her best life, showing up all of us gawky third graders in Mrs. Llano's class how far she'd come. She was going to be that person at the reunion looking completely flawless and making six figures while the rest of us tried to conceal our receding hair lines and minimum wage jobs.

I feel like we all kind of have that hope that those people who were marginalized growing up (sometimes by our own hands) somehow grew past those circumstances, and essentially grew up to kick in real life. That's what I had hoped for
J——-. That she had used the insults that we hurled at her, the isolation we provided for her, and the ill-looks we gave her and used it as ammunition to forge a successful path in life. I was so sure that was what had happened, but today I was in for a rude awakening (see articles below).

I've been reading these articles and seeing these statements and looking at these pictures, and I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and shame. Of course, none of us are responsible for the events that ensued, but you can't help but feel rotten when the classmate your peers made fun of for "smelling like poop" quite literally had to sit in her own waste because she was chained to her bed. It is nothing but sobering to know that the person who sat across from you at the lunch table went home to squalor and filth while you went home to a warm meal and a bedtime story.

The resounding lesson here is a simple one, something that we're taught from the very beginning: be nice. Teach your children to be nice. If you see someone that's isolated, befriend them. If you see someone that's marginalized, befriend them. If you see someone that's different, befriend them. We can never completely put ourselves in others' shoes nor can we completely understand the circumstances that one is brought up in, but a simple act of kindness and acceptance may be the ray of hope that that person needs. Befriend the J——- Turpins of the world.

J——-, despite being vehemently vilified by her peers, was still one of the most pleasant people I have had the opportunity to meet. She had this whimsical optimism to her that couldn't be dampened, couldn't be doused no matter what anybody threw at her. That cheerful disposition is what makes me certain that J—— will prevail. That one day, I'll remember to facebook stalk her, and see that she is living her best life. That despite being let down by her parents and by her peers alike,
J——- rose above it all. And I'm going to be rooting for her, as her peer, as her classmate, as her friend. J—— Turpin: from "cootie girl" to "conquered the world."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5359201/house-horrors-turpin-family-kids-squalid-texas-home/

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[Stunned]

I will never be able to think of Mickey Mouse or Disneyland the same way again...

Or Elvis, but then I was never really a fan oh his!

 

[Niseyg123]

After I watched the 20/20 show, I thought of Jodi Arias, too. LT has "button eyes" just like JA. LT had the button eyes in the childhood photos, the original wedding photos, and all through the arraignment clips. The lights are not on in there.

Lol I think I know but am not entirely sure what u mean by "button eyes". It is in the eyes tho, the similarity. And the way she holds herself. And the perplexed about being arrested thing just keeps coming back around in my head. She creeps me out. I certainly think David has his part, but LT I think is more in charge of running this horror show than I originally thought. She's receiving some sort of gratification in the obedience-punishment cycle of the kids. Being a family therapist by training, I know It's related to her upbringing I just haven't worked the dynamic all out in my mind yet. Something to do with her being a "willful strong-headed child" to use her sister's words. Speaking of which, something about her bothers me too but she's not our topic. Dysfunctional family no doubt tom Marry the daughter off at 15 because of religious rules. Yikes.


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[sunnybree]

Taken me days to catch up. Just a couple of thoughts since the DVD collection pictures were posted.
1) The kids didn't know what a police officer was but the parents had full sets of "Everybody Loves Raymond" videos where Raymond's brother is a cop. Of course the sister who lived with the family did say the children were not allowed to watch

At the presser, the prosecutor said some of the children did not know what a police officer was. I gather that some did know, and did know about 911, hence the plan the 17 year old and some of her siblings had to escape, which appeared to involve procuring a phone.

The prosecutor also said there was always neglect, but the abusive behaviour intensified over time. From reading all the stories it appears the older children were allowed out of the house to play when young, and even play with another child, until that child and her mother started asking questions. Then they were restricted to the backyard. From there they were probably again restricted to the house, and then to their rooms. So for the older ones there was some communication with the outside world for a little while.

 

[Errrr]

Flores said she lived with her sister and brother-in-law for a few months when she was in college. At the time, the couple only had four children and the eldest was in elementary school, Flores said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aunt-13-siblings-allegedly-held-captive-years-touch/story?id=52401005

Hmmm, could that be why they were only allowed to bathe once a year?

 

[Niseyg123]

Interesting...i can see that. I work at a psych unit and one of the residents is bpd


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Yes they are capable of ALOT of really bizarre and crazy stuff! You def do not want to be a Bpd'd persons bad list. My bro in law has had to take out multiple restraining orders against his ex yet the state still sees her as a fit parent. Aye yi yi.


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[Lilibet]

I cringe every time I see them described that way.

No worries. This “thing” was bothering too many of us, so we discussed this last night and decided on “Survivor 1, 2, 3, etc” with Tricia’s blessing. There is a photo on this thread and on the media thread with each of these dear survivors photoshopped with this designation by AnaPisces. Here it is again.

 

[Stunned]

Ricky Vinyard walked through the family’s trailer at the time, and reading reports from California this week reminded him of what he saw.

“It was waist-deep in filth. There were dead dogs and cats in there,” he said, the smell “rancid.”

He found two Chihuahuas that had survived by eating waste from a mound of soiled diapers. The family’s Ford F-150 truck was heaped with the dirty diapers and empty Vienna sausage cans, he said, “It seemed like that’s all they ate.”

The couple had claimed to home-school their children, and the feces-littered living room had the trappings of a makeshift classroom, he said, including eight small desks, a chalkboard, alphabet and number signs stapled to the wall.

As he moved from room to room, he noticed something odd: “Everything had locks on it: The closet had locks, the toy chest, the refrigerator.”

“There were no beds, just mattresses,” he said, and “There wasn’t a place in that house that wasn’t filthy.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story.html


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And yet....... once again nothing. Welcome to your 15 minutes.

 

[Hope4More]

I don't, unfortunately. I only found it on fb. By the way, tapatalk doesn't like links sometimes. I have to copy and paste links instead of just tapping them (I think it's facebook links with a ? in them)

PS as a side note, in the post directly below the one with the news story, the reporter shares the original fb post that the story is based on: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1793950093948875&id=1028503060493586

So, the first born was allowed to go to school through 3rd grade (did siblings go as well?), and already she was forced to dress in the same filthy clothes (that same purple group dress worn in LV??), already she stank enough that she was being deprived of showers/baths or was being utterly neglected, and she was already being described as frail and small?

It sounds like the neglect & abuse began very, very early on, while the "family" was still reasonably small, and before there was any conceivable reason for them to be drowning financially, and hope against hope, before man-monster would have begun molesting her (if he indeed ever did).

How absolutely terrible that she wasn't accepted or treated kindly in the far too brief time she had in the outside world, before being completely at the monsters' mercy for the next 2 decades.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

The thing on yearly showers and washing hands and wasting water. Down here if you live out int the country you have a septic tank and they can get overwhelmed and back up into the house and all over the ground. That many people would overtax the system for sure. So I wonder if the wasting water came from that?

I wonder if the marching in circles was to tire the children out so they'd sleep during the day.

The vanity license plates on one car - DL4ever - is so juvenile to me.

Yes, the middle boy dancing with those extremely thin legs and big shoes.

 

[rsd1200]

I wondered that myself. Maybe that's how they celebrated their birthdays??? Or maybe it was on their trips to Disney and Vegas???

I was reading about, and watching an interview with, the Wolfpack kids (well, adults, now). I'd not heard of them until 20/20 last night. I think that the Turpin siblings could, very well, have different age levels of understanding the outside world, but also have different levels of education, and different concepts of time.

They said that some of the T. siblings didn't know what a police officer was, yet, some, or at least one, knew that the cell phone would take photos, and that it could be used to dial 911 (an emergency number). They may have been permitted to take sink baths, at certain intervals, but not a full shower or tub bath.

I noticed that when asked about taking day trips, one of the Wolfpack brothers said that they went out once a year, another said 4-5 times, and they all agreed that they never went out during the winter.

I think when you stay at home like that and about the only thing that you have to do is write in a journal, or possibly get to watch a Disney movie, if the parents are feeling generous, then weeks, months, and years will mesh together. It was probably much the same with the Wolfpack siblings. After a certain point, their father even boarded up the windows, so they didn't even see the seasons change. They did get to watch tons of movies, and that not only helped to maintain their sanity, but it prepared them for the world outside. Some of them still live in the apt, with their parents, but they've traveled all over. If the Turpin siblings got to watch an occasional movie, or even quietly listened to whatever their parents were watching, it could have helped them gain knowledge of what to expect, out in the world.

 

[RickshawFan]

I just don't get the religious vibe from them. I've known so many over-the-top religious people, and nothing about them matches up. It's more like they seem to worship Disney!

Seriously, my closest neighbors (I live out in the country) are very religious and homeschool a large brood of kids. They aren't even what I would call over-the-top religious, although they are certainly more religious than most people. But there are so many tell-tale signs in the way they dress and the way they relate to the world. I just don't see the normal signs here at all.

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The DA who did the presser indicated there were no signs of a religious element in this case.

 

[Hope4More]

This was posted by Neeha Curtis’ @ Cleveland 19 News on her FB page. I’ve copied and pasted the full text below.

* This is a post from someone who was in 3rd grade with the oldest daughter
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Jennifer Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit. She was often made fun of by the other third graders because her clothes would sometimes look as though they had been dragged through mud, which she would also smell like on most days. I distinctly remember my entire third grade class scoffing at her one day because our teacher had asked her to discard a scrunchy she had used to tie her hair out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's bar. After that year, Jennifer moved away, and she was forgotten about after we moved on to the the next "cootie kid."

Several years later, after high school, I found myself thinking about her again. I was bored at home and was passing the time by facebook stalking old elementary school classmates to see how they turned out, and I remember searching specifically for Jennifer. Her name was so distinct that there couldn't be any more than a few people who shared the name, yet no matching results came up. I had naturally assumed that Jennifer was one of the lucky few who hadn't been bit by the social media bug. I also thought somewhere, somehow, Jennifer was probably living her best life, showing up all of us gawky third graders in Mrs. Llano's class how far she'd come. She was going to be that person at the reunion looking completely flawless and making six figures while the rest of us tried to conceal our receding hair lines and minimum wage jobs.

I feel like we all kind of have that hope that those people who were marginalized growing up (sometimes by our own hands) somehow grew past those circumstances, and essentially grew up to kick in real life. That's what I had hoped for Jennifer. That she had used the insults that we hurled at her, the isolation we provided for her, and the ill-looks we gave her and used it as ammunition to forge a successful path in life. I was so sure that was what had happened, but today I was in for a rude awakening (see articles below).

I've been reading these articles and seeing these statements and looking at these pictures, and I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and shame. Of course, none of us are responsible for the events that ensued, but you can't help but feel rotten when the classmate your peers made fun of for "smelling like poop" quite literally had to sit in her own waste because she was chained to her bed. It is nothing but sobering to know that the person who sat across from you at the lunch table went home to squalor and filth while you went home to a warm meal and a bedtime story.

The resounding lesson here is a simple one, something that we're taught from the very beginning: be nice. Teach your children to be nice. If you see someone that's isolated, befriend them. If you see someone that's marginalized, befriend them. If you see someone that's different, befriend them. We can never completely put ourselves in others' shoes nor can we completely understand the circumstances that one is brought up in, but a simple act of kindness and acceptance may be the ray of hope that that person needs. Befriend the Jennifer Turpins of the world.

Jennifer, despite being vehemently vilified by her peers, was still one of the most pleasant people I have had the opportunity to meet. She had this whimsical optimism to her that couldn't be dampened, couldn't be doused no matter what anybody threw at her. That cheerful disposition is what makes me certain that Jennifer will prevail. That one day, I'll remember to facebook stalk her, and see that she is living her best life. That despite being let down by her parents and by her peers alike, Jennifer rose above it all. And I'm going to be rooting for her, as her peer, as her classmate, as her friend. Jennifer Turpin: from "cootie girl" to "conquered the world."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5359201/house-horrors-turpin-family-kids-squalid-texas-home/

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Thanks for posting the full thing. Please, though, edit to delete the survivor's name. It hasn't been made public, not even in the charging complaint, so shouldn't be posted here .