CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[DatelineFan]

So, the first born was allowed to go to school through 3rd grade (did siblings go as well?), and already she was forced to dress in the same filthy clothes (that same purple group dress worn in LV??), already she stank enough that she was being deprived of showers/baths or was being utterly neglected, and she was already being described as frail and small?

It sounds like the neglect & abuse began very, very early on, while the "family" was still reasonably small, and before there was any conceivable reason for them to be drowning financially, and hope against hope, before man-monster would have begun molesting her (if he indeed ever did).

How absolutely terrible that she wasn't accepted or treated kindly in the far too brief time she had in the outside world, before being completely at the monsters' mercy for the next 2 decades.

Yes, in the press conference, the DA said DECADES.

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[Stunned]

On the subject of that second picture. Why are people leaving all that trash on the front lawn? It's not like the kids are going to be there anytime soon, to see it. I wish I could understand the mentality of the people who do that. What do they think they are accomplishing?

Better to give that waisted money to a fund for the kids.

 

[KaaBoom]

I have just a few things that I would like to say.

First of all, that Elvis was the absolute worst singer I have ever heard and his whole performance left much to be desired.

Second those poor girls teetering around on high heels that was so obviously the first time they had ever worn them nearly falling down sickened me to my core and the little boy (James, Johnathon?) dancing with those stick like legs was heartbreaking.

That being said, renewing your vows three times? Methinks they doth protest too much is all I can say. I have been married close to 48 years to hubby and a while back my sister asked me if we wanted to renew our vows on our 50th wedding anniversary. I asked her why I would want to do that since obviously they took the first time. That whole vow renewal thing is a huge waste of money to me. My money could be better spent taking a nice vacation to somewhere I haven't been before. But that is just me and I know some people like that kind of stuff. But three times? I think those vow renewals were all for show. A video to put on face book to show the world how in love they were and how happy the family was.

Now on to grandma and her statement of how nice and normal the family was 5 years ago when she visited for a week. "sweetie this and sweetie that and those kids never argued not even once." Come on Grandma, 1 week in 1 house with 12 kids and not one fight broke out among them? And you thought that was normal? I don't know what world grandma was living in but it sure wasn't the real world. My two youngest grandsons can't go one day without arguing over something.

Then we have auntie dear telling how when she was a teenager she lived with them and DT would watch her in the shower. She sounds like she is a few bricks shy of a full load. If my BIL had walked in while I was taking a shower and watched me I would have been screaming bloody heck and filing charges with LE. What is wrong with this whole family that they thought that was okay?

On the hand washing and once a year shower. Didn't California go through a severe drought in recent years? I can't help but think that they may have been threatened with fines if they used an excessive amount of water and that maybe the water bills there are very high because of the drought. Maybe someone who lives in CA could weigh in on the cost of water and fines for excessive use during the drought. That could have been how that started.

But there is no excuse for starving those kids. Mom in that video looked like a fat cow in that wedding dress. And Dad was sporting a big beer gut. Those poor kids with their stick legs standing beside them was a travesty.

Just one of those sport cars they had would have fed those kids for a while. And a 386,000.00 house? In my opinion those kids would have been better off in a 25 thousand dollar shack with food in their belly. But again I think the 386 thousand dollar house, the sports cars, the trips to Disney, the vow renewals were all to show the folks back home how well the family was doing in CA. All of it was for show. To show how normal and happy they were.

These two people are sick, and in my opinion should be locked up after they are sterilized so they can never bring another child into the world.

JMO

I lived in California, during a good part of that last drought. It was never suggested that anyone should limit handwashing. LOL. Only outdoor water restrictions were in effect, and those were widely ignored by many. I think maybe there were some suggestions, that people voluntarily try to take quicker showers. But I'm pretty sure these people were not motivated, by trying to conserve water.

I agree that the Elvis video was very disturbing.

 

[Abp5]

Here is the cropped photo where she looks pregnant to me. Since she has had multiple pregnancies she may look further along than she actually is. I think this coincides with the 2013 Vegas renewal. She is wearing a different dress than the other times and her hair looks the same as this picture in length and color. If this is from the end of 2013, then it would not be the youngest child.

 

[flourish]

Or they've lost their faith that LE will do anything. I once called DSS on this lady in our neighborhood who's kids went to school with mine and the daughter of my best friend, who also happens to be this crazy lady's neighbor. Crazy lady would send her kids to my friends house in WINTER at 5 am dressed for school with a pillow and a blanket to wait on my friend's porch swing for a ride to school. crazy lady never asked my friend to give her child a ride just left her there. Usually had not had breakfast and rarely brought a lunch. That's just one of many insane things this lady did. My friend is very kind hearted and helped these kids but was too afraid to call DSS. So I did. The agent completely bombed the whole thing. Told crazy lady everything she'd need to know to know who reported her. Point blank asked her if she did xyz. Omg. Shouldn't have even bothered. They did nothing but get get the woman realty irate at both my fiend and I. Way to protect our safety and confidentiality there lady. So stupid.


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A few years ago, I made a report as a mandatory reporter. The child was my student. My name was said out loud in court identifying me as the reporter. I was appalled, scared, and still expected to maintain a good working relationship with this family! Ugh.

 

[Peculiar]

IMHO I think this picture is LT at age 18-20. The skin on her hands looks to me like someone very young. I think it's a picture of her in the early years of marriage before she had children because she created that page LR after she was married. It is likely a favorite photo of hers that she has kept through all her moves or something she found on a Facebook friends page and uploaded from there, maybe DT created the account, I do not know.

Look at the sign on the wall, idkw it strikes my oddly, it's a rule and here she is unwittingly posing in front of it

This picture is most definitely not from the early years of their marriage. Her siblings shared photos and this is not what she looked like. Plus, she looks too modern, not like a young woman in the 80s. I don't know when the picture was taken. Possibly after child #12 but before child #13.

 

[RickshawFan]

Everyone deserves a mama, a loving one. How can they ever become healthy parents themselves without models?

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I didn’t say they should be without people modeling appropriate and loving behavior, I said they should never have to call them by a name that signifies a family relationship, e.g. a name that has “parent” in it such as houseparent. Every type of relative has failed them. Yes, on great models, no on having to call them by names reflecting relatives.

They have only known horror from people who have born the names mother and father.

 

[Errrr]

Mods delete if notnok. Not a verified press person but From Allison Argrin who played Nellie on Little House on the prairie. She’s a big child abuse advocate, especially sexual abuse. She teeeted a link to an article with details I hadn’t heard before

https://twitter.com/arngrim/status/954876847086452736

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story.html

“They kept lights on at all hours, blinds drawn. One Christmas they bought eight new children’s bicycles that sat outside, unused, until they became sun bleached.”

“David Turpin would stand in the driveway shooting cans with his pistol, aiming toward the road.”



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It sounds like somebody kept buying presents for the kids but somebody else wouldn't let them play with them.

 

[Niseyg123]

Layperson here (but with 2 shrinks in the family and lotsa counseling from dealing with a family member with borderline personality)--and have to admit I'm also getting that vibe with her and this case. I've sensed mental illness from the start, in fact, though this is not the sort of mental illness that lets anyone off the hook, morally or legally. It is a Jeckyl & Hyde sort of thing that, if present, makes a situation (or a case) so confusing at first...a clashing of behavior patterns that often seem contradictory. Those who are borderline can be quite adept at hiding their dark side from others, and can excel at (thrive on, in fact) putting on appearances--so can appear fine, even wonderful, on the surface and to outsiders.

The only ones borderlines can't hide their pathology from, though, are their close family members--the ones who are on the raw receiving end of their constant, unpredictable rages and manipulations. A mother with this pathology (in our experience) would be Queen, and will be perpetually defending her throne against any and all perceived threats (reason need not apply, here). Control is paramount. She can be paranoid, fearful, and will not only cut you or other family members off for imagined slights, but will do so dramatically, and glory in the retelling of how and when she did to the few remaining family members on speaking terms with her. (Obsessional thinking also has played a huge part in our family member's pathology.)

Once you've tiptoed around this personality for a few decades your 'high alert' kicks in whenever you sense the cues coming from similar others. So just a hunch, here, but based on personal experience with a familiar-feeling vibe.

Oooohhh yes!! "Queen, and will be perpetually defending her throne against any and all perceived threats (reason need not apply, here). Control is paramount. She can be paranoid, fearful, and will not only cut you or other family members off for imagined slights, but will do so dramatically, and glory in the retelling of how and when she did to the few remaining family members on speaking terms with her. " you hit the nail on the head right there. That is EXACTLY what is happening here.
It's all coming together in my head now--all the little rules like the washing hands below the wrists only or accused of playing in the water... in sure there are many many many of these types of things that will be discovered.
As I'm writing I just had an AHA! Re: the Journal writing. Someone commented somewhere why on earth would LT and DT let these kids keep a written record of their lives?---you talking about the glory of our dear bpd relatives basking in the glory of "retelling"
Made me wonder if that's what this is about....because in the end they do want all the glory. It's sick and twisted, but so are their minds, unfortunately. Interesting stuff. (And On a personal note, undo definitely know one when ya see one& i also get the tiptoeing thing--thank god my interactions with my crazy ex sis in law have been few and far between. My poor bro in law and niece suffer horribly at times tho. It's so unfortunate that Texas is so obsessed with kids being with the mother instead of the better caregiver or my nieces life could be much different)


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[Niseyg123]

A few years ago, I made a report as a mandatory reporter. The child was my student. My name was said out loud in court identifying me as the reporter. I was appalled, scared, and still expected to maintain a good working relationship with this family! Ugh.

Omg. How awful. These things are supposed to be confidential!! I swear Our county hires people off the street for caseworker
Jobs so they don't have to pay them as much as someone with a degree that knows what the hell they are doing and what constitutes abuse. Most places pay more qualified workers to look into animal abuse than human abuse. It makes me so angry.


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[Stunned]

This was posted by Neeha Curtis’ @ Cleveland 19 News on her FB page. I’ve copied and pasted the full text below.

* This is a post from someone who was in 3rd grade with the oldest daughter.
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J—— Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit. She was often made fun of by the other third graders because her clothes would sometimes look as though they had been dragged through mud, which she would also smell like on most days. I distinctly remember my entire third grade class scoffing at her one day because our teacher had asked her to discard a scrunchy she had used to tie her hair out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's bar. After that year, J—— moved away, and she was forgotten about after we moved on to the the next "cootie kid."

Several years later, after high school, I found myself thinking about her again. I was bored at home and was passing the time by facebook stalking old elementary school classmates to see how they turned out, and I remember searching specifically for J——-. Her name was so distinct that there couldn't be any more than a few people who shared the name, yet no matching results came up. I had naturally assumed that J——- was one of the lucky few who hadn't been bit by the social media bug. I also thought somewhere, somehow, J——- was probably living her best life, showing up all of us gawky third graders in Mrs. Llano's class how far she'd come. She was going to be that person at the reunion looking completely flawless and making six figures while the rest of us tried to conceal our receding hair lines and minimum wage jobs.

I feel like we all kind of have that hope that those people who were marginalized growing up (sometimes by our own hands) somehow grew past those circumstances, and essentially grew up to kick in real life. That's what I had hoped for
J——-. That she had used the insults that we hurled at her, the isolation we provided for her, and the ill-looks we gave her and used it as ammunition to forge a successful path in life. I was so sure that was what had happened, but today I was in for a rude awakening (see articles below).

I've been reading these articles and seeing these statements and looking at these pictures, and I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and shame. Of course, none of us are responsible for the events that ensued, but you can't help but feel rotten when the classmate your peers made fun of for "smelling like poop" quite literally had to sit in her own waste because she was chained to her bed. It is nothing but sobering to know that the person who sat across from you at the lunch table went home to squalor and filth while you went home to a warm meal and a bedtime story.

The resounding lesson here is a simple one, something that we're taught from the very beginning: be nice. Teach your children to be nice. If you see someone that's isolated, befriend them. If you see someone that's marginalized, befriend them. If you see someone that's different, befriend them. We can never completely put ourselves in others' shoes nor can we completely understand the circumstances that one is brought up in, but a simple act of kindness and acceptance may be the ray of hope that that person needs. Befriend the J——- Turpins of the world.

J——-, despite being vehemently vilified by her peers, was still one of the most pleasant people I have had the opportunity to meet. She had this whimsical optimism to her that couldn't be dampened, couldn't be doused no matter what anybody threw at her. That cheerful disposition is what makes me certain that J—— will prevail. That one day, I'll remember to facebook stalk her, and see that she is living her best life. That despite being let down by her parents and by her peers alike,
J——- rose above it all. And I'm going to be rooting for her, as her peer, as her classmate, as her friend. J—— Turpin: from "cootie girl" to "conquered the world."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5359201/house-horrors-turpin-family-kids-squalid-texas-home/

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This...teach your children well.

 

[osu]

Thanks for posting the full thing. Please, though, edit to delete the survivor's name. It hasn't been made public, not even in the charging complaint, so shouldn't be posted here .

It’s been edited and name redacted. TY. ❤️


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[ILikeToBendPages]

Yes! There is a photo (I wish I could get it to upload on my phone) where the family is in all red and at a circus in Vegas. She looks visable pregnant. Her hair is lighter and shorter than the pregnancy photo in the MM shirt. I believe it coincides with the only Vegas renewal where she is in a different dress. She also has a white flower clip in her hair at the renewal and the older girls have heels on. I don’t think it is the youngest child because she looks just as far along in the family pic as she was in the MM shirt but her hair is a good bit shorter.

Maybe this links will show the picture

https://i1.wp.com/www.heresthejoy.c...018/01/Turpin-circus-circus-2014-copy-REV.jpg

All children are account for in that photo. Three big girls, three middle and three small girls and three boys, so I think it her last one. Unless there was a miscarriage after the last girl and in between the last baby. It does seem odd in her looking big with short hair, and then big and with longer hair.

 

[strawberry]

Yes they are capable of ALOT of really bizarre and crazy stuff! You def do not want to be a Bpd'd persons bad list. My bro in law has had to take out multiple restraining orders against his ex yet the state still sees her as a fit parent. Aye yi yi.


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And the sister said on 20/20 that LT wore the pants and was in charge. Bet her lawyers loved that


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[KaaBoom]

See this is what I don’t understand!!! The sister is telling these stories about David. He kidnapped Louise, he walked in on the sister in the shower. She knew he was “off” in some way but she never worried about the children??????

I’m just at my wits end with this case!!!!

I'm not buying any of the BS about a kidnapping. She said that he signed her out of school. No school employee in their right mind would ever allow a boyfriend of any age to sign his girlfriend out of school. Nobody but a parent or a legal guardian can do that. That story is just insanely unbelievable. The shower story doesn't make much more sense.

 

[flourish]

Omg. How awful. These things are supposed to be confidential!! I swear Our county hires people off the street for caseworker
Jobs so they don't have to pay them as much as someone with a degree that knows what the hell they are doing and what constitutes abuse. Most places pay more qualified workers to look into animal abuse than human abuse. It makes me so angry.


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Yeah... I interviewed for CPS positions 11 times before I gave up. Probably too much experience and education...too qualified. They seemed to only hire young, thin, attractive women straight out of University. I'm fat, middle aged, and beyond qualified. I would likely have lost my mind at that job anyway, so likely a blessing in disguise.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

It's a weird mix. I see behaviors that appear both religious influenced and non. LT at the least seems to have come from a messed up but nonetheless very religious family. Pastor father, very religious sister. The large family size, patriarchal system, homeschooling and marrying young are all consistent with that Quiverful type of deal.
But on the other side, there are inconsistencies. The Disney, the clothing choices (skull and crossbones on a top? Can't see a fundamentalist Christian woman wearing that.)
If LT and DT were in any way religious, it clearly became distorted and subnormal over time. I wouldn't entirely discount a messed up religious influence yet though, at least for the early years of their marriage.

I haven't commented on this case yet because it is the first case I've seen that I can find zero framework to build on. I'm at a total loss. But YES! BINGO! The extreme rigid "christian" values and the Vegas renewal vows (making a mockery out of a very devout and sacred ceremony? and all that went with it) totally encapsulates this entire case for me. Every aspect seems to be at opposite ends of even the most distorted pattern of human behavior.

 

[SandyQLS]

This was posted by Neeha Curtis’ @ Cleveland 19 News on her FB page. I’ve copied and pasted the full text below.

* This is a post from someone who was in 3rd grade with the oldest daughter.
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J—— Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit.

...RSBM for long length...

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Marvelous #1 made it to through the third grade which underscores that she was a normal girl of normal abilities in spite of her bad home life. I think given her current weight and condition, DT and LT should be charged with attempted murder. I also think they should both be charged with federal civil rights violations, especially if they have a single penny.

Wearing the same purple dress, like LT's mother's purple plaid skirt, like the purple plaid renewal dresses...

 

[Peculiar]

Thanks for posting the full thing. Please, though, edit to delete the survivor's name. It hasn't been made public, not even in the charging complaint, so shouldn't be posted here .

Not trying to start anything but... in the charging complaint, it practically reveals the names of all the adult and minor kids. Each charge has (J**-T), uncensored though, after it. Again, I hope that didn't sound rude and I was trying to be to you or to call you out at all. I'm just curious how we all should make that (the names being half-revealed) out? Hope that makes sense.

 

[TeaTime]

I know that news stories have said that DT and LT were the parents of all 13 children, but has that actually been DNA proved?

Just I have been thinking about the timeline, charges, etc.

DT has been charged with a lewd act with a child under 14. Why only one charge? Why only one child? How was that crime discovered so quickly, when you would imagine they would still be yet to fully question the children over what went on?

I'm wondering because the 17 yr old girl started planning to escape around two years ago, and the youngest child was born around two years ago. Was the 17yr old the real mum of the young baby? I mean we are talking in approximates. So if the 17yr old is say 17yrs and 3 months old ... and the two yr old it 2 yrs and 10 months, then the 17yr old could have been pregnant around age 13 or 14 ... which could explain why the lewd act charges were so quickly made.

Maybe that is why she started planning 2 years ago to run away and get help. She didn't want her baby to live in that h*llish house. Mother's love trumps unimaginable fear?