CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #5

[Abp5]

If she was pregnant in 2013, then she would have a child almost 4 years old. Not a 2 year old. So where is the child that may have been born in 2014????

It is not uncommon to miscarry. I have always felt she had several miscarriages. I suspect the 2013/2014 was a late term miscarriage or stillbirth. You can loose a child at any point in pregnancy.

 

[bears10]

Everybody keeps saying it's target, but Target doesn't have carpet, does it? At first I thought it was the front desk of a doctor's office, but then I thought I saw something on the wall that looked like something from a hairdresser. Still, it looks like the front desk somewhere to me, and not a concrete store.

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I see what looks like an office in the background. I don’t think it’s target but I have catching up to do.

 

[Schatz]

You are stating this as fact. Do you have a link, or is it only your opinion?

I just don't want this to become accepted as fact if we don't know that.

I have my doubts. Polaroids are still noisy, are they not? LT would likely keep track of the film. I assume that since it stopped being made years ago that the film would be pricey.

ETA - Someone posted a link in the last thread saying it was no longer made, but I'm finding it is. Now I'm confused.
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The person who bought the house found polaroids that were left behind in the house.

 

[puppyraiser]

Thought I read in one of the articles that Polaroid photos were left behind in one of their former homes.

 

[Alethea]

This is what I'm thinking. She does look pregnant in that photo.

I think so too. If she miscarried in a hospital, I don't think that information would be revealed because of HIPAA. Absent wrongdoing, it's just a medical issue and even for a criminal defendant I do not think it would be revealed.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

The person who bought the house found polaroids that were left behind in the house.

I thought we were discussing what kind of pictures she took to the police in California.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Thought I read in one of the articles that Polaroid photos were left behind in one of their former homes.

Yes. But I thought we were discussing her photo evidence of abuse in California. I thought we were discussing if the pictures were taken on the phone she took with her.

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[Abp5]

<Emerges from shadows to offer expert Target advice>

In my humble professional Target shopper opinion, that is a Target. And I think those are chip reading card machines. My Target has carpet in the Customer Service area (which this appears to be).

You are correct. It is Target. However, that isn’t a chip reader in the background but a card reader. Back in the day, Target had gray/red card readers. I believe these type were unique to Target. It sucked the whole card in, read the magnetic strip, and spit it back out. Those were around 2009-2010, I think. The chip readers are more recent. You can also see the employee in the background has a red shirt and a white oval name tag.

 

[bestill]

You are stating this as fact. Do you have a link, or is it only your opinion?

I just don't want this to become accepted as fact if we don't know that.

I have my doubts. Polaroids are still noisy, are they not? LT would likely keep track of the film. I assume that since it stopped being made years ago that the film would be pricey.

ETA - Someone posted a link in the last thread saying it was no longer made, but I'm finding it is. Now I'm confused.
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"After the family left the Rio Vista, Texas home, their cars were re-possessed and the home was foreclosed, the Los Angeles Times reports. Billy Baldwin, who bought the house the next year, told the paper it was trashed and the bathroom floor had rotted through. Inside, he found several Polaroid photos taken when the Turpins left, with one that shows a bed with a metal rail and a rope tied to it." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/disturbing-photo-shows-rope-in-squalid-former-texas-home-of-couple-in-captivity-case/

 

[Margo/Mom]

bbm

How about starting with the fact that his mother visited them 5 years ago and said everything was completely normal in their household. Defining "normal" as 12 kids in 1 house for 1 week and never a single argument between them. Sweetie this and sweetie that is how she described it. Gave me a sugar headache just reading what she said. No way does 12 siblings act that sweet toward each other in a normal household. She now says she isn't going to believe anything she reads until she hears his side of the story. Serious denial there as in David would never do anything wrong, must be that horrid media putting out fake news. That says a lot about his upbringing in my opinion. In other words he could never do any wrong so therefore any depravity he visits on his children must be the right thing to do.

JMO

Sweetie this and Sweetie that reminded me of my grandmother. One of my aunts said she started calling everybody Sweetheart so she didn't call one of her kids by the wrong name. My mom claimed that as the youngest her mom (my other grandma) always called for her by running down the list of brothers and sisters until she got to her name.

So, Sweetie this and Sweetie that just seemed a convenient way not to have to keep all those J names straight.

BTW, I think, I hope, that the smiles in some of those photos were real. We have talked about Stockholm Syndrome--in which captives take on the causes of their captors. I think in families something even more intense happens. I have known a lot of foster kids, and most really wanted to go back home. They wanted the abuse or neglect to stop, but they still wanted their family back. I won't attempt to lay that on this family, because I just don't know. I just know that even in really crappy families there can be some bright spots. Sometimes they are during some adult's manic episodes. Sometimes they are during times of remorse. Sometimes when a relative is around. Sometimes for no reason anyone can figure out. So, if Elvis brought a smile, or if the picture with Jasmine was part of a good day, let's let them keep that happy bit of memory.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think the "photos" conversation is getting mixed up.

There are different "photos" in the case:

* Photos that were left behind at the Texas house showing restraints on bed. Poloroids.

* Snapshot of LT at Target (not confirmed as Target, but it's s
some public place). Snapshot of LT with baby and oldest son at donut shop.

* Group, staged photos.

* Photos that the 17yo showed LE as evidence of abuse.

Maybe we should give context when we say "photos" so it's clear?

jmopinion

 

[bestill]

I thought we were discussing what kind of pictures she took to the police in California.

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She had a phone and proof of the abuse she showed the police officer. The assumption is the photos were on the phone and this is JMO.

 

[buttonbaby]

I see what looks like an office in the background. I don’t think it’s target but I have catching up to do.

It is a Target... the customer service area it appears.

 

[arkansasmimi]

They lived in Fort Worth, Texas prior to moving to the rural property in Rio Vista, TX. There are reports that they lived apart from the children and brought food occasionally, when they lived in Fort Worth.

We don't know if it was when they moved the double wide in on the Rio Vista property. (Though, that seems more logical.)

There so many different stories, I honestly don't believe much. Prior neighbors talking about houses yet no one spoke up then. Yet they go snoop through the houses after family moved out? Or Mr. Baldwin having to sign a release document before he went into brick house. Yet article also said foreclosure people already cleared stuff out. Then there is the renter's of the brick house allowing photos - and it currently the door us both up and very messy.

Thus tragedy is bad enough without all the added assumptions and lies - media, family lying when there's proof. Former neighbors who only knew from afar. Dr Phil gonna do his spill gesh

 

[Doghairrules]

Wonder just how many more increasingly shocking & bizarre "revelations" these relatives will be dispensing in their already far too long minutes of fame?

The man-monster sexually abused his ELEVEN year old DAUGHTER. I don't see that despicable perversion being consistent with dropping his wife off to have sex with another man, states away (why go that far away) leaving behind 11-12 possible escapees alone in Texas.

Right? That whole story strains the limits of credibility.

 

[rsd1200]

Respectfully we don't know for fact that is why they left Texas. Their home was foreclosed on per Ch 7 document 4/2010. -DT and LT swore under oath that they lived in Rio Vista farm land from 7/1999 until 5/2010. Which is only a month after foreclosure. That was on the mobile home 4/2010.

Which brings up Complaint dates beginning 1/1/2010, and post from FB stating David was back with Northrop, possible they went to CA looking for home there knowing home being foreclosed. The individuals giving interviews would have no idea of that stuff just assumed. And many trash homes and don't clean up when leaving.

Jmho

BBM
This is why the last house on the farm stands empty today. Costs a lot to repair only to be destroyed. One, there was just no salvaging, so the fire dpt was permitted to use it for a practice burn.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

"After the family left the Rio Vista, Texas home, their cars were re-possessed and the home was foreclosed, the Los Angeles Times reports. Billy Baldwin, who bought the house the next year, told the paper it was trashed and the bathroom floor had rotted through. Inside, he found several Polaroid photos taken when the Turpins left, with one that shows a bed with a metal rail and a rope tied to it." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/disturbing-photo-shows-rope-in-squalid-former-texas-home-of-couple-in-captivity-case/

I got confused because in the discussion of the Texas photos someone else asked if a deactivated phone could take pictures. When someone replied to the deactivated phone photo question that it was Polaroids, I assumed they were talking about the photos Brave Girl presented to LE when she ran off with a deactivated phone.

I understand that there were Polaroids in Texas. I mistakenly thought people were suggesting that Brave Girl took Polaroids in California.

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[Hope4More]

I believe there were zip ties found on the railing of the bed in the Texas photos. Someone took a close up for the railing and posted it in one of the other threads. Interviews with neighbors in Texas indicated at some point there was complete silence in the house.

Based upon that, the children started to be held captive in Texas, but California only has jurisdiction to prosecute what happened in California. However, it is interesting that they want to question people who had interactions with them in Texas.

Also remember that the appearance of LT is that she projected a make believe life to her family members. If it ended up the Huntsville Alabama incident was not really the mother having relations with another man, but actually the parents transporting the children in Texas across state lines to participate in sexual acts with others, then that is a Federal crime they can be charged with. The key is transporting a minor across state lines that elevates the crime to a Federal crime. I am pretty sure that they left a pretty good financial trail of when they traveled where as well.

Hopefully, the forensic computer specialists will be able to figure out what happened online.

The 22 year old was shackled (and I believe this is possibly the young man who seems to be the second youngest of the boys) when the police arrived along with two of the younger sisters, who the monster parents scrambled to take out of the shackles. They went from ropes and zip ties in Texas to shackles and padlocks in California.


*************Again, the two parents are monsters and no amount of rationalization or mental illness will ever be able to explain why they did what they did.

*****All too true. At the end of the day, no psychiatric label or inferences drawn from whatever their childhood and marital experiences will ever really explain the choice by both "parents" to torture & degrade & destroy their own children in so many ways.

I'm a survivor myself, know many other survivors in real life and on WS and have read about many more. I long ago divided the universe of folks who have experienced personal trauma at the hands of others into two camps- those who were traumatized who went onto traumatize others, and those who were traumatized but never inflicted their own pain upon others.

Maybe I'm just a hard , but I have no use at all for those who inflict their own pain upon others. No piles of labels or intellectual theories & constructs changes my belief that we choose whether or not to harm or hurt others, and that the choice to do so is unforgivable.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

She had a phone and proof of the abuse she showed the police officer. The assumption is the photos were on the phone and this is JMO.

Me, too.

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[Schatz]

How would any child get a photo printed or developed?

I thought we were discussing what kind of pictures she took to the police in California.

Someone upthread asked how a child would get photos developed quoting another person's post about the photos left in Texas, which were polaroids.