CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #5

[EA18G]

I wonder if DT is the type that gets very jealous when LT showed more attention to the children than to him. (That would have had to be a long time ago!)

 

[SuperTmo]

Exactly! What discussion did DT's parents and either have with the kids when they visited about college, working, dating, living on their own? Wth?

I’m behind and trying to catch up so hopefully this hasn’t already been discussed. I also wondered this, along with why none of their Facebook friends thought it was odd how emaciated and under developed they all look.

I wonder if the parents convinced their family members that the older kids had developmental delays or medical issues of some sort what would mean they weren’t functioning as an adult would. If people were told they didn’t move out, go to school, work, etc. because they were unable to care for themselves, nobody would question that, because they don’t look like a typical adult. I wonder if the parents portrayed themselves as the long suffering, dutiful parents who are sacrificing everything to care for all of their kids with additional needs. Hopefully this all makes sense.

This case is beyond upsetting.

 

[gitana1]

I tried to comment and link to one of the middle aged girls being unable to (to me) sound her name properly in the long wedding video.
I'm very happy to say that that video seems to have been removed in its entirety.

Edit: the other thing that i wanted to say; it infuriates me that their personal journals could be bandied around to fecking academics or whoever, is this really a thing? i know that they will need to be taken for the court case etc etc, but can they really be used and given to whomever is deemed fit by other people?

I know we learn off different scenarios, will they seek permission off the authors if they use them for research?

I remember that. I thought she may have an intellectual disability when I saw it. Or serious speech defect. Now I guess we know why. Some of these kids fared worse than others.

I downloaded and saved the two videos of the kids, BTW because I was pretty sure they'd be removed. They're on my work computer but I can try to share of anyone wants to see. I might need help in how to attach or share them.

 

[gitana1]

I’m behind and trying to catch up so hopefully this hasn’t already been discussed. I also wondered this, along with why none of their Facebook friends thought it was odd how emaciated and under developed they all look.

I wonder if the parents convinced their family members that the older kids had developmental delays or medical issues of some sort what would mean they weren’t functioning as an adult would. If people were told they didn’t move out, go to school, work, etc. because they were unable to care for themselves, nobody would question that, because they don’t look like a typical adult. I wonder if the parents portrayed themselves as the long suffering, dutiful parents who are sacrificing everything to care for all of their kids with additional needs. Hopefully this all makes sense.

This case is beyond upsetting.

I wondered too but if that was the case then I think the family members would've quickly mentioned that as an excuse in their interviews.

 

[osu]

BBM

And according to The Mirror, the 17-year-old who finally broke free thought her parents would kill her if they caught her trying to escape.

'In her mind, she was risking her life,' a source told the paper, describing the teen as 'so intelligent' despite alleged limited access to the outside world during her childhood.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aped-California-home-window-alert-police.html

 

[kimlynn]

When do you think there will be another press conference or release of info?

The DA was very forthcoming,more so than usual. I think with the media attention we may hear a bit more as time goes on. IMO

 

[gitana1]

Two of my own musings amid all this horror:

I have never seen anyone look at their significant other with such an intent and utterly besotted expression as LT manifests in the "wedding";

and DT seems to be overcome with emotion to the point where he can hardly speak, and wipes his eyes - what's that about? -

no answers, really, I think I'm just trying to make sense of the inexplicable.

It's gross. These people are narcissistically focused on demonstrating their nauseating love of one another. Their kids are gruesome accessories for them, really.

 

[Niseyg123]

Your comments are so interesting. I wish that I could be as certain as you are that she's the main perp. I still maintain
that one was probably more violent/aggressive and the other went along with it and maybe was minorly abusive.
I just can't get past my opinion that they're equally responsible for the home environment as either one could have
stepped in and changed things if they really wanted to protect the children. But neither did. I can't picture that little,
short mother strangling the children or beating them. Starving, ok, I can see that. And of course they both had to be colluding to keep all the family secrets within that household. Wonder if she was aware of the sexual abuse?

Lol. I get where you're coming from. It is hard to imagine, and like i said, I don't think he's in any way innocent or being motivated only by her. I can def get the sexual creep business vibe from him. His whole demeanor is just weird in videos and pictures etc.
when thinking about little women committing big violent crimes, again, just think of Jodi arias and what she did to Travis Alexander. There is some truth to the saying that hell hath no fury like a pissed off woman...and I'd add especially one with a major psychiatric disorder invoking poor impulse control. Others--Casey Anthony, susan smith, killed their kids because they were selfish and sick, sick people.
I totally agree with your statement too that they both had to be colluding for it to go on. I seriously doubt tho that either even thought about stopping the other much less wanted to because they are so sick. And I'm not even remotely suggesting that either of them get off with a insanity plea. There's a difference between personality disordered (PD) individuals committing crimes and people who say, have schizophrenia, are delusional and fully psychotic, dissociated from themselves. PD people are cold, calculated planners and beyond excellent manipulators. If you didn't already see the post about "injustice collectors" it's worth checking out. LT definitely qualifies, and I'm sure DT does as well. I appreciate our open discussion here. Very interesting. I'm so so so curious for more information in DT and may have to spend some time this evening doing a little sleuth work on him. I know of another active WS member (grouchyMom--anyone seen her in here?) who is excellent at that sort of thing but hasn't been actively following this discussion b:c she's busy with a missing persons case. She'd prob do a little work for us tho. Ill ask her.


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[Spice]

Docile spouses of very personality disordered people is pretty common from various things I've read. (One of the best books I've read about personality disorders is Understanding the Borderline Mother. Easy and incredible read.).

But I agree. This appears to be a joint effort. I think they are equally "depraved". A match made in hell. A perfect storm that led to insane destruction of several young lives.

It is common for sure. But I really do not get that vibe here. There is obvious psychopathy here with both of them in the PD department. LT gives me possible Intellectual Disability ( In the HIGH range) vibes and definite possible serious mental illness (Bipolar Disorder maybe, lots of impulsiveness there ) with a personality disorder. They can exist at the same time in one person. Borderline..I'm not positive. BPD is more about splitting and raging and then swinging back to idealizing. It stems from the primary caretaker not allowing for proper separation-individuation early in life and then in adolescence. They fear abandonment above all else and perceive it everywhere. Its a serious void of self and of pathology in attachment style.

That being said, forensically, they knew right from wrong. They were calculating. And knew to hide what they were doing .

But I will eat my hat rather than say there is no mental illness here. Regardless of what authorities have said. Hoarding in and of itself is a DSM5 Diagnosis. They also said it way to early, not leaving enough time for a comprehensive mental health eval of both of them. Not for insanity purposes of course. They were NOT insane and should pay for what they did.

I see psychopathy in the PD department , psychopathic personality disorder, or even Antisocial ASD, MOO. There is not enough there for me to assume borderline yet. (Cutting, self harm, splitting etc). BPD generally cut themselves, high suicide attempt rates, the rage swings from being directed at ones self and then to others. All of this rage appears to have been directed at their children. They also have very high interpersonal conflict, chronically. She has been in a "stable" (VOMIT) marriage for 30 something years.

Who knows. We will see. We don't know enough. What we do know is that their behavior is depraved and sadistic, and calculated. They knew what they were doing and knew to hide it, has been going on for many years. They hoard, live in squalor, destroy and abandon house after house, blow through money, and the cycle starts all over again. There are impulse control problems in both. Serious regression in LT. Sexual predation in DT. A lack of compassion, empathy, and insight. They did not appear to care one iota. Its gruesome, grotesque, and defies logic.

Hoarding is also usually born out of trauma. LT appears very regressed. Stuck. I would guess there was trauma in her childhood.

ALL MOO.

 

[Niseyg123]

Two of my own musings amid all this horror:

I have never seen anyone look at their significant other with such an intent and utterly besotted expression as LT manifests in the "wedding";

and DT seems to be overcome with emotion to the point where he can hardly speak, and wipes his eyes - what's that about? -

no answers, really, I think I'm just trying to make sense of the inexplicable.

I have zero evidence of this, just a hunch, along with a few statistics ok the topic, but I feel there is a good chance DT has been manipulated/brainwashed by LT. Women like her tend to prey on more vulnerable men. He may be a sex predator or something along those lines but I think she's all up in his brain if you know what I mean.


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[ejlk]

So she sometimes brought one daughter to the pizza place but only a slice for herself. I wonder how she decided who would go with her, was it a reward to get out of the house, or Louise felt she had to keep an eye on that child and didn't trust her to stay home and do as she was told.

I assumed she was taking the 2 yr old, not an older child.

Also about the girls being developed in the Disney picture, then not in the wedding video. I am sure some of it had to do with losing weight, but the choice of dress may also contribute to them looking that way.

 

[enelram]

I wonder if DT is the type that gets very jealous when LT showed more attention to the children than to him. (That would have had to be a long time ago!)

I've seen that very scenario in two selfish parents. Lots of jealousy. It's obvious in the wedding videos, everything was
all about LT and DT and the children were 'just there' except for Elvis- he gave the kids normal attention, but the parents did not, ever.

 

[watergirl62]

Bummer. Didn't work. Says file not found. But maybe there's something in the media and timeline page. I'll go look over there. If someone had s link other than this one Jo shared, please post it. Thx.


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Try this one

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[MissUnderstood]

Was the 17 year old that escaped the same child the lewd act charge related too?? Trying to decipher reports and msn but it gets confusing with no names used. Moo


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[SuperTmo]

I watched the 20.20 special On Demand. The thing that I remember among others is that the Home School specialist said that the issue was not home schooling itself, but when people use Home Schooling to cover up evil, illegal activities in their home. I would hope that out of this, California legislation is passed to require stricter licensing and inspections of Home Schools. There are great Home Schools and horrible home schools.

They also stated the home schools often place an utmost authority on rules and compliance, These parents are "Control Freaks" of the highest order, giving new definition to those words. They grew to forbid the children to have any contact with the outside world, because if they did, they would not be able to control them. David's demeanor has been described as "threatening" although quiet. It is even surprising that one of the kids was allowed to attend community college classes, while Louise waited outside the hall and took him right home afterwords.

I believe that these children were terrified of communicating in saying or doing the wrong thing, because if their parents found out they would be severely abused. I would like open a question for the community. Why do you believe that the neighbors, either from Texas, or California, never called the police or social services earlier, despite seeing such bizarre behaviors?

It was awesome on 20/20 showing the medical center with the community donations of toys and games for the kids! Even better was that they met medical staff who showed kindness and compassion for them! Any new updates on how the kids are doing?

Satch

There is a website called Homeschooling’s Invincible Children that tracks cases where home school was used as a cover for abuse. It is eye opening to see how so many of these parents use starvation as a mechanism for control. Some of the stories even said parents would take their kids out of school after the school would refuse to not give them food. It’s horrible.

 

[Pug09]

The DA was very forthcoming,more so than usual. I think with the media attention we may hear a bit more as time goes on. IMO

I agree, he definitely provided more details than I thought he would. I just wonder when they will release more info. Maybe when the victims are ready to leave the hospital?

 

[LietKynes]

BBM

And according to The Mirror, the 17-year-old who finally broke free thought her parents would kill her if they caught her trying to escape.

'In her mind, she was risking her life,' a source told the paper, describing the teen as 'so intelligent' despite alleged limited access to the outside world during her childhood.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aped-California-home-window-alert-police.html

SABBM

I'm thinking this was brought up elsewhere -- and not just the DM.
Makes my hair stand on edge... WHY DID SHE THINK THIS ??
(sorry for the caps-- just feeling even more horrified)
Had it ever happened before --- that a child was forever silenced ?

Is the possibility that the children are now speaking up-- the reason for bringing cadaver dogs out to not only one-- but all of the properties previously owned by the Turpins ?

If there's more that has happened... the heroic survivor is beyond amazing !! She had to be nearly paralyzed with fear if this fell through.
:moo:

 

[SuperTmo]

I have been wondering about those journals. It is interesting that they allowed the children to write in them, but in retrospect it may have just been another way to control the children's every thought. Parents would most likely read everything written and critique them.

I assume the journals were how the parents could see exactly how their kids felt, and take satisfaction knowing that their abuse was having the desired impact.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Two of my own musings amid all this horror:

I have never seen anyone look at their significant other with such an intent and utterly besotted expression as LT manifests in the "wedding";

and DT seems to be overcome with emotion to the point where he can hardly speak, and wipes his eyes - what's that about? -

no answers, really, I think I'm just trying to make sense of the inexplicable.

BBM

Great acting. Maybe in preparation for that reality TV show? lol

All jokes aside I can see the adult victims being approached for a reality show to follow their progress during recovery given the world wide interest in this case. I can also see that being a huge hit, because so many people will want to know how they are doing as they recover.

I for one would get immense satisfaction watching them sit down at a huge table laden with food and piling their plates high and getting paid to do it. I would also rejoice every time they gained a pound.

Not that I am suggesting that happen, just daydreaming here.

 

[dyannaON]

I personally feel the 29year old victim was the reason for why the escape and heroic measures by the Hero, happened when it did.


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