CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[Bill Carson]

Does anyone remember if the home had basement/cellar? I think they were in the basement.

I don't think it does have a basement. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[natsound]

Well in answer to your question I sincerely believe that any statements unconfirmed and not supported by any other information from anyone to the media - which in effect are just opinions - before an anticipated trial could be considered as 'undue influence' to the jury.


Different countries and different laws of course, but in the UK "sub judice" carries a lot of weight. Once a charge has been brought it is not admissible for the media to print anything which may influence an upcoming case.



IMOO the stories various 'family and friends' are providing to the media have not been corroborated at all and frankly should be considered "gossip".


They have anything pertinent to say, say it to LE. AIMOO of course from the other side of the pond.


http://www.vgso.vic.gov.au/content/refresher-sub-judice-contempt-publish-or-not-publish
On occasion, it is permissible to publish material about upcoming court cases, but commonly, publishing such material may result in the publisher committing the common law offence of sub-judice contempt. For details about this common law offence and how to avoid it, read on.

What is sub judice contempt?
Sub judice contempt is the common law offence of publishing material which has a tendency to interfere with the administration of justice while proceedings are sub judice; that is, ‘under a judge’.

The rationale for the offence is to avoid the possibility of a ‘trial by media’ by prohibiting the publication of material which might either prejudice issues at stake in criminal proceedings, or which might influence or place pressure on persons involved in the proceedings, including jurors, witnesses or potential witnesses.

In order to prove a charge of sub judice contempt, it must be proven to the criminal standard that:
a) material was published;
b) the publication of that material happened while the proceedings were sub judice; and
c) the publication has the tendency to interfere with the administration of justice in the proceedings that are before the judge.

Who can commit the offence?
Anyone involved in publishing information that is sub judice can be held liable for the offence of sub judice contempt. Most commonly, courts have held that people who have actual control over the content, production, distribution and broadcasting of sub judice material can be persons involved in publishing that material.

Importantly, it is not necessary to prove that a person intended to interfere with the administration of justice by publishing the material[1]. Consequently, a person may commit the offence unintentionally.

Well sure. These are media interviews with family members, accounts from people who knew the family. It's just like anyone else who speaks of their experience about anything. I think these interviews are very important and useful to anyone interested and concerned about what happened to the children. If every account had to be corroborated, we wouldn't be talking on this board today.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Just like my ex. When we figured it up, he was receiving at least 1200-1400 calories a day via alcohol and pop He was only around 5'6, and that was pushing it on a good day, and I'd say med boned for a man. When we were together, I cooked fairly large, sit down, family style, meals every night. He still drank a lot of calories during that time too, and even though he was more active, and working then, he got a bit overweight during that time...

When we split he just drank. Period. He couldn't boil water and wouldn't even heat anything up for himself in the microwave. However, although he was sedentary (very, very, very sedentary), and was getting at least 1,200-1400 calories, via alcohol and pop, yet he was still severely malnourished. He was getting calories, but zero, to little, nourishment.

Also, his friends, and our son, saw him regularly, so they didn't see the change. It was slow, so their eyes adapted to the physical change. I didn't really notice because he was always sitting down when I saw him or he had on a baggy shirt, and sweats. I knew that he looked like Hell but he was an alcoholic who'd, sadly, lost any interest in his appearance quite some time ago.

The link below is about nutrition, hunger, and malnutrition. Even if the kids had gotten a Taco Bell soft taco (170 calories) and a large pop (380 calories), one time per day, for years, there would not have been enough calories or nutrients to keep them from becoming malnourished.

http://kidshealth.org/en/teens/hunger.html

I have a number of alcoholics in my family. At the end, eating was not exactly a consideration. Not even clear how well food was being tolerated. And because this was a medical family, and some years back, Valium became a drug of choice in order to make it through the day without appearing to be drinking. It's a really ugly way to die. What really jarred me about your ex was the broken femur. The femur is the strongest bone in the body, surrounded by really strong muscle. A broken one is incredibly painful, owing to the muscles contracting and pushing broken bone ends against tissue (or through skin). And yet, having seen what an alcoholic near death and steeped in denial looks like, I absolutely believe you. Everything in life gets put off until tomorrow, or after the next drink, or until they get sober again (which in the end is never). Cunning and baffling disease, as they say.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree w/ you. Assisted Living facilities are businesses geared to helping w/ necessary physical needs. What about
their EMOTIONAL NEEDS? IMO, these children all need one on one help like you'd receive from someone who
truly cares about you as a person.
Assisted Living facilities are institutions with their own rules to make the workers' lives easier. They don't necessarily
think about the patient's needs but mainly the ability of the patient to fit into the institution's needs.
I'm really worried about these older children. they've already lost many, many years of learning how to be a happy, well adjusted, good citizen with a fulfilling life. Seems to me the state/county is shutting down any attempt at helping them grow into 'normal' adult lives.
Maybe I'm being unrealistic and the authorities know the adult children will never be capable of independent living.
But I've seen enough assisted living facilities and group homes to be very disappointed that the adults will be placed there.

I have to say, that I think, with a high profile case, especially, that they'll find the best placement possible. Also, the facilities I've been in have had folks in there that are their age due to varying physical and mental disabilities. Some long term and some short term. The elderly who are there because of just needing some extra attention love to have young people to talk to, and the women kinda mother them, the older ones even mothered my ex and a one of the younger ones even eyed him for a b/f...:facepalm: We'd take the grandkids up to see my fil, well, former fil, and take them over to see my ex (their grandfather) while we were there, and they all love them there. They'd take them on wheelchair rides, ask to have their pictures made with them, etc... My ex had friends there in varying ages and my fil has folks who stop in to see him almost every day to chat awhile (he's bedridden now). Not all of these places are bad. My fil has told us that he has no desire to go home.

 

[Bill Carson]

Turpin court case may need to be moved outside of Riverside county due to difficulty finding an impartial jury.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...rside-county-defense-attorney-say/1060361001/

It's hard for a jury to be impartial when the prosecution has tried the case in the media and the defendants haven't.

 

[gitana1]

I agree. At first we were supposed to believe the 17yo--and therefore all the kids---had only had a 1st grade education.

Now we learn that the parents arranged for the oldest son to attend college, where he maintained a nearly-perfect gpa. (He wasn't taking the hardest courses in the world, but I imagine any accredited college is going to make homeschooled children who can't prove academic rigor take remedial classes to show they are college-ready.)

We learn that two of the daughters would be out of the home getting mail at the mailbox.

We learn that they participated in a Christmas decoration contest, and five of the children attended the award ceremony. It's not like they were recluses, necessarily. A recluse would not participate in neighborhood events.

They've taken kids out to Las Vegas and Disneyland, Krispy Kreme donuts, pictures by the lake.

This paints a far different picture to the one given by the DA, who made it sound like they were living in a dungeon.

I don't know what to think at this point. I do believe the children were not given adequate nutrition or medical/dental care. As I said before, we've only scratched the surface of this case, and the information we've been given so far is highly tilted in favor of the state's position.

All of that can be true and coexist with what the state found.

The medical staff were clear with their condition- muscle wasting. A 29 year old weighing 82 pounds. Emaciation. Cognitive delays due to neglect and starvation.

The fact that the adults are being transferred to an assisted living facility bears that out.

No one is lying.

There was a case of a family with multiple children who targeted two foster kids in particular. They are featured with the rest of the large family in professional family photographs with their skeletal faces standing out.

Just because the parents sometimes took their kids places once in a while doesn't mean the DA was exaggerating.

They lived in squalid conditions. Physical abuse. Sexual abuse. Starved. Chained.

Being escorted to community college by the psycho mom doesn't change that. Neither does sitting outside with a couple of them at a contest. Or decorating their home for a couple hours with a nativity scene.

This is a deeply disturbed family. It is likely that the parents felt they were normal or tried to approximate normalcy at times.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I'm wondering if DT's father has some dementia issues going on. My father does and he's very stubborn when questioned. Notice that they haven't been offering opinions lately. I also think they live a sheltered life and don't realize how this has impacted everyone that reads it. They may very have thought last week that it was a local thing.

ETA: I agree the siblings don't need to be around any "family"! They need to be protected.

I believe that DT's dad has also hired an attorney. Don't recall where, but there was a statement given to the press by the attorney, who basically said that they are working through appropriate channels to attempt to contact the children. My guess is that the attorney advised him not to speak to the press himself, as he wasn't helping.

 

[A2FMNST]

You CAN get IV meds at home. Many people do. They have to be administered by a licensed medical professional. Insurance companies even like this arrangement because it’s cheaper than going to a hospital.

Skilled nursing facilities should have plenty of staff to handle IVs.

I understand that, I was not talking about home health care at that point.

Laws regarding what type of care can be administered vary by state.

Furthermore, what insurance or Medicare/Medicaid wil pay for depends on a specific diagnosis.

We could go on all day...

As another poster said, we don’t even know for sure what level of care they will receive.

I think we can all agree that we hope the survivors get WHATEVER care they need!

Moving on...

:deadhorse:

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I didn’t want my fantasy of neighboring homes (adults and kids) to turn into a fact on this board.

When a foster home was announced, it was for two homes for the kids (i.e. not the adults). The arrangements may now have changed.

This was not based on your fantasy.

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[jessie]

This is slightly off topic, but one of my brothers had a seizure and then was unresponsive for a while overnight. He is now in the hospital while they try to figure out what’s going on (he has a history of a brain tumor, so anything like this is potentially serious). I am at the airport preparing to leave on a work trip. We haven’t lived together for over 35 years and we are at opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I would give anything to be by his side right now. I can’t imagine how this feels for the children. [emoji22]

Thoughts with you. :hug: :hug:

 

[JerricaBenton]

I agree. At first we were supposed to believe the 17yo--and therefore all the kids---had only had a 1st grade education.

Now we learn that the parents arranged for the oldest son to attend college, where he maintained a nearly-perfect gpa. (He wasn't taking the hardest courses in the world, but I imagine any accredited college is going to make homeschooled children who can't prove academic rigor take remedial classes to show they are college-ready.)

We learn that two of the daughters would be out of the home getting mail at the mailbox.

We learn that they participated in a Christmas decoration contest, and five of the children attended the award ceremony. It's not like they were recluses, necessarily. A recluse would not participate in neighborhood events.

They've taken kids out to Las Vegas and Disneyland, Krispy Kreme donuts, pictures by the lake.

This paints a far different picture to the one given by the DA, who made it sound like they were living in a dungeon.

I don't know what to think at this point. I do believe the children were not given adequate nutrition or medical/dental care. As I said before, we've only scratched the surface of this case, and the information we've been given so far is highly tilted in favor of the state's position.

I'm the same. No doubt they have suffered awful abuse at the hands of their parents, but I also don't think they were absolute prisoners also. They were not totally hidden from society.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Does anyone remember if the home had basement/cellar? I think they were in the basement.

I know the two houses in California had no basement. I am not sure about Texas. I read somewhere they were locked in their bedrooms. In the Pennsylvania case a few years where the parents starved one child to death and tried to starve the other child to death, they took off the doorknobs and reversed them so it locked from the outside. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...y-9-weighed-17-pounds-death-article-1.1959251 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-sons-starvation-death-idUSKBN0TZ1LI20151216 I remember being sickened about that case a few years ago.

 

[Elley Mae]

Snip
Another relative, David's brother, Randy Turpin, is the president of a Christian college in Ohio. He wrote a book about the spiritual benefits of fasting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califo...orrors-to-face-restraining-order-13-children/

A source close to the investigation told CBS News Randy told authorities in California on Tuesday that he wanted to explore the possibility of adopting the children.

 

[Shelby2]

I'm the same. No doubt they have suffered awful abuse at the hands of their parents, but I also don't think they were absolute prisoners also. They were not totally hidden from society.

Of course they were absolute prisoners!

 

[Lilibet]

UGH. They will not receive intensive, individualized care that they need if the facility is anything like the expensive one I had my mom with alzheimers at briefly. Staff were all very nice, but there was only one nurse, and grossly untrained and underpaid staff with constant turnover. I hope that isn't the case for these kids.

Yes, you are absolutely right about staffing issues in assisted living facilities/communities. IMO anyone in assisted living needs an outside advocate of some kind. We provide that for a friend. I expect that being in the facility is simply a way of providing the basic daily needs for the older Turpins and that their many other needs will be met by outside experts.

 

[dyannaON]

So we all think of old folks homes. But I think you're talking about a form of group home? With medical care? Is that right?

In my sons case it is. Mind you we are in Canada. He will be going to a place called Traverse. http://www.traverseindependence.ca/en/index.aspx

His insurance company is covering the cost until his lawsuit settles. My son knows how to live as he has lived in his own but was actively using meth. So in essence he actually doesn’t know how to live without me or drugs on his own. He is leaving jail, for Teen challenge farm and then to traverse. I’m not sure what program he will be under yet with their care.



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[jessie]

Well sure. These are media interviews with family members, accounts from people who knew the family. It's just like anyone else who speaks of their experience about anything. I think these interviews are very important and useful to anyone interested and concerned about what happened to the children. If every account had to be corroborated, we wouldn't be talking on this board today.

Thanks for your response, I do try to read all posts and the links provided, but from those seems the family members didn't have a clue what was going on ?

Did anybody really know this family and what was happening here?...... If they did.... FGS why didn't they do something about it ?

I feel what we are now hearing, what is being reported, are excuses now the reality is clear for everyone else. JIMO of course.

 

[rsd1200]

Even if the children qualify for Medicaid or Medicare and their medical needs taken care of, we're still looking at housing in southern California which is one of the most expensive real estate markets in the country. $200,000 would barely cover the cost of a 1-bedroom condo in some places. So yes, you're right. That money isn't going to stretch far, for sure.

I too live in a low cost of living region and an older home with a minimum of 6 bedrooms is going to run at least 180k+. Most newer ones would be in the 325k+ range. Then you have utilities, upkeep, taxes, and the list goes on.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I agree. At first we were supposed to believe the 17yo--and therefore all the kids---had only had a 1st grade education.

Now we learn that the parents arranged for the oldest son to attend college, where he maintained a nearly-perfect gpa. (He wasn't taking the hardest courses in the world, but I imagine any accredited college is going to make homeschooled children who can't prove academic rigor take remedial classes to show they are college-ready.)

We learn that two of the daughters would be out of the home getting mail at the mailbox.

We learn that they participated in a Christmas decoration contest, and five of the children attended the award ceremony. It's not like they were recluses, necessarily. A recluse would not participate in neighborhood events.

They've taken kids out to Las Vegas and Disneyland, Krispy Kreme donuts, pictures by the lake.

This paints a far different picture to the one given by the DA, who made it sound like they were living in a dungeon.

I don't know what to think at this point. I do believe the children were not given adequate nutrition or medical/dental care. As I said before, we've only scratched the surface of this case, and the information we've been given so far is highly tilted in favor of the state's position.

While the events you outline are true, (and the defense will use it), with the exception of some preliminary findings, almost all of it has been portrayed on social media. To me it is perhaps one of the most manipulative aspects to this case. How many takes did it take to get that perfect happy family Disney portrait? Was it an annual event that coincided with a yearly shower?

This contrasts to the condition of the siblings and their house upon their rescue. And I wonder what else will contrast when they put the pieces of this case together in the investigation.

Their lives are a contradiction of FaceBook portrayal and a reality of a starved and neglected life, the equivalent to being chained in a barn without any hay. Both of these stark contrasts play as much on the minds and emotions of these siblings as much as it does on the world who just found out. Imo...

I hope they seek every protection for these kids until they can really sort out what happened.

 

[Doghairrules]

Snip
Another relative, David's brother, Randy Turpin, is the president of a Christian college in Ohio. He wrote a book about the spiritual benefits of fasting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califo...orrors-to-face-restraining-order-13-children/

A source close to the investigation told CBS News Randy told authorities in California on Tuesday that he wanted to explore the possibility of adopting the children.

No, no, no, no, no. Just no.