CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[arkansasmimi]

I am not defending the Ts or saying that I know that they fed the hogs and pets, but I agree. Acres of grass, two ponds, and a spring, where we had ours, but the grass is always greener. I can't tell you how many times I've chased cattle over the years. Horses will stand on, and climb, the fences til they break them down. Some cattle can leap over fences like deer! Hogs will absolutely chase you down and eat you alive. The fella that raised them near my grandparent's barely made it over the fence with his life. He was one cut up, bleeding mess, after a boar hog got after him! We were not permitted to go into my uncle's hog lot without an adult and my own pig got nasty tempered as he reached adulthood. I usually raised a calf to sell but raised a piglet that year. Give me a calf any day.

I wasn't defending T'S either just the comments. I was raised in country and animals. I get it. Just like people"dumping" cats or dogs too. If you've never been exposed to it, makes it hard to believe.

 

[RickshawFan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-children-found-shackled-in-home-placed-in-foster-care/ CBS is reporting that the adults will be moved to an assisted living facility this week and that the six children will be moved to two foster homes.

Assisited living is a great idea. Besides having an apartment with a little kitchen, they’ll have 24/7 watchfulness. It may be easy to provide security in a place like this.

They will have instant “community” in a place like that, with empty nesters who will fuss over them.

I hope they get a good one with a pool, views, balcony, good food, bath tub, casseroles from the neighborhood.... hairdos.

 

[human]

I really hope the source is wrong. So much money has been donated they should buy them a house and pay for caregivers, etc. The older ones have always taken care of the younger ones.

I’ve seen it with the gap in our own kids and my husband and his older aunts he grew up with, the younger ones latch onto older ones.


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The children care for each other but they have no,parenting skills. Where would they have learned them? The adult children are in no position to be parents nor should they be.

They need the freedom, time, and emotional support to deal with their own trauma.

Cleaning a house will be a new skill. Cooking, washing clothes, eating, sleeping, talking freely, so many many things to learn and experience .

 

[arkansasmimi]

Someone posted a close up of the restraints on the bed and they look like zip ties, not a rope. I'll try to find it for you if you want to see it.

Yes please if you don't mind. Again all I have seen is Polaroid allegedly from the brick home.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Logically I get the benefits of Assisted Living and I hope you are right about them having a say in where they go. It just makes me sad that we heard early on they had asked if they would get to stay together and they haven’t.

Do you know where you read they asked that? Interesting.

 

[human]

Its such a fine line. Of butting in and mind one's business.

For example. I feel spanking is severe child abuse. To me it is an assault on another human. Many parents dont and will fight for their right to do so. Ive had this debate with so many people. So should I butt in and call the police because I believe my neighbor is abusing their child...or not? I also believe that kids who are overweight (not due to medical issues) is abuse by parents due to the health issues it creates. Its inhumane, IMO. Just letting kids shove junk food into their mouths w/out moderation. Should I step in then?

Where is the line?

Obviously, this case is way extreme. I do not believe enough people were witnesses to this family and the abuse occurring. And if the extended family are brought up....my parents were highly abusive. My mom moreso. They are also super [religiously] judgmental and I did not want my daughter around them at all. I cut them out of my life. They dont know crap about her or what goes on in my life. For a reason.

There are legal guideines as to what comstitutes child abuse. I think,people would be surprised by what is legally allowed

 

[RickshawFan]

I guess the two homes they had lined up (one for the minors and one for the adults) must have fallen through or not checked out. :-(

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Who said they had two homes lined up?

Are you sure that didn’t come from a hypothetical post?

I wrote several posts with that idea...

 

[prima.facie]

There are legal guideines as to what comstitutes child abuse. I think,people would be surprised by what is legally allowed

yeah I hear you. and im not sure I even want to look at what all is allowed. ugh

 

[arkansasmimi]

The children care for each other but they have no,parenting skills. Where would they have learned them? The adult children are in no position to be parents nor should they be.

They need the freedom, time, and emotional support to deal with their own trauma.

Cleaning a house will be a new skill. Cooking, washing clothes, eating, sleeping, talking freely, so many many things to learn and experience .

I agree assisted living is good choice. Respectfully,as far as what these adults know and can or cannot do is only opinions. We have no idea what skills they have or don't have.

 

[buttonbaby]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5356477/turpin-family-13-kids-starved-believed-god-called-on-them/ is the one I saw. If you click on the photo of the window with a star on it in order to expand it, it looks to me that the very bottom center has been cut parallel a few inches above the bushes.

Thank you ElizabethAnne!

 

[rsd1200]

I wasn't defending T'S either just the comments. I was raised in country and animals. I get it. Just like people"dumping" cats or dogs too. If you've never been exposed to it, makes it hard to believe.

O/T I understand. I was raised on a farm and animals are unpredictable. I've chased cattle on foot, and herded them on my horse, and there's always ONE. We always had barn cats on the farm. We also have the problem of folks dumping cats and kittens. I've got a dumped kitten (well, cat, now) lounging on the chair beside me, at this moment.

 

[Jax49]

Do you know where you read they asked that? Interesting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-louise-turpin-riverside-county-warning-signs/

A source close to the investigation tells CBS News:

"After being freed, they specifically asked social workers if they could stay together."

 

[RickshawFan]

I really hope the source is wrong. So much money has been donated they should buy them a house and pay for caregivers, etc. The older ones have always taken care of the younger ones.

I’ve seen it with the gap in our own kids and my husband and his older aunts he grew up with, the younger ones latch onto older ones.


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Do we know for sure that the “older ones have always taken care of the younger ones”?

 

[gitana1]

I really hope the source is wrong. So much money has been donated they should buy them a house and pay for caregivers, etc. The older ones have always taken care of the younger ones.

I’ve seen it with the gap in our own kids and my husband and his older aunts he grew up with, the younger ones latch onto older ones.


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Its not close to enough to buy a house out here. They need funds for their ongoing needs and there are 13 of them. Therapy needs. Maybe going away to one of those places like Jaycee Dugard and her kids went, with horses and nature and therapists. Etc.

They would need 600-700k just for a 4 bedroom in most of So Cal. They have about 60k so far.

 

[RickshawFan]

Assisted living will supply all kinds of “parents” to model adulthood without the victims having to use familial names like mom, dad, aunt.....

The more I think about it, the more I think this is a genius idea. It’s controlled freedom with security, community, and many differents models for adulthood.

Assisted living might also provide context for getting nursing care, like IVs.

 

[Rocco]

Yes please if you don't mind. Again all I have seen is Polaroid allegedly from the brick home.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/scratched-doors-faeces-smeared-walls-11871022

If you click on the picture of the bed with the white frame, you'll see what I mean.

ETA: https://twitter.com/CBS11JasonAllen...scratched-doors-faeces-smeared-walls-11871022

 

[Spice]

While I agree with DA in this situation, I disagree with your way of thinking. If your family member was charged with something horrific, their children taken to hospital and all you know is what hearing or seeing on news? You wouldn't want to hear from your family member to try figure out what going on? National media camping out on your road/lawn. Jmho it's unfair to judge the 80 yr old parents for making that comment when no evidence they were aware of situation LEO found.


Again I support the DA and they have the best interest of these kids at hand.

While I think an initial reaction of denial in the face of this horror is real and normal, that is usually expressed as shock and disbelief. I think what this grandparent said was "I don't believe it, I want to talk to them (the children) and get the real story". That statement reeks more of denying the abuse that the survivors have experienced ever happened. It likely speaks to the family dynamics in LT/DT's families of origin.

Also, while the media can certainly be voracious and vulture like in their appetite which is unseemly, I disagree entirely with the the concept that these relatives should just discount what is on the "news" as if it is fiction. The News is reporting the words of the D.A. , so if we support and believe the D.A., then I guess we support the regurgitation of the D.A.'s words to the press. Words that are coming straight from the narratives of the victims and the impressions from the LE at scene of the crime.

I think initial denial would give way to the facts and to feelings of horror of what your family member has apparently done. Questioning the victims for the "real story" in an attempt to deny what your son or daughter has done is extremely dysfunctional. He can certainly question his son later, NOT the victims narrative.

While I have empathy for their disbelief...victims first. Always.
MOO

 

[Cherry]

Assisted living will supply all kinds of “parents” to model adulthood without the victims having to use familial names like mom, dad, aunt.....

The more I think about it, the more I think this is a genius idea. It’s controlled freedom with security, community, and many differents models for adulthood.

Assisted living might also provide context for getting nursing care, like IVs.

Hopefully as well as SSD, I think they will qualify.

 

[arkansasmimi]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-louise-turpin-riverside-county-warning-signs/

A source close to the investigation tells CBS News:

"After being freed, they specifically asked social workers if they could stay together."

Thank you. Forgot about that. Maybe since the adults have been at one and children at another hospital it will be a little easier in transition.

 

[newsjunkie]

Do you know where you read they asked that? Interesting.

I know I read it at a link provided here, but it was early on. So I honestly have no idea.