CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[newsjunkie]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-louise-turpin-riverside-county-warning-signs/

A source close to the investigation tells CBS News:

"After being freed, they specifically asked social workers if they could stay together."

Thank you! There’s no way I would have been able to track that down.

 

[dyannaON]

My son whom I’ve spoke about briefly in other posts is 22. He struggles with alcoholism and drug addiction that stemmed from a traumatic car accident (well introduced drugs into his life) already struggled with addictions prior to. Anyhow. He is healthy for the most part when not actively using. He does have a traumatic brain injury still. You would never know just by looking or even talking to him unless you really are looking for it.
We are putting him (on his wishes) in an assisted living after he comes home from inpatient treatment. ( fingers crossed) he wants to learn how to be “normal” as he puts it. Just wants help with simple things like grocery shopping. Helping choose school course and jobs. As well ensuring he is properly talking his medications and spending is money wisely. I just sadly don’t have the time to do this having to work. I was pretty shocked he even suggested it and didn’t even know we had places in town. I figured would all be seniors and such. It seems like a great way to get re-introduced to society. I know our victims and my son have very different circumstances but I see this as a positive. I did let out a mini gasp and my heart sunk when I read it but I feel ok now. Jmo.


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[human]

Hopefully as well as SSD, I think they will qualify.

Can the adult children qualify?

 

[gregjrichards]

It’s really sad the adults and children have been split up which is likely adding to the stress they are enduring. I just hope they get to see each other often.

 

[rsd1200]

While I think an initial reaction of denial in the face of this horror is real and normal, that is usually expressed as shock and disbelief. I think what this grandparent said was "I don't believe it, I want to talk to them (the children) and get the real story". That statement reeks more of denying the abuse that the survivors have experienced ever happened. It likely speaks to the family dynamics in LT/DT's families of origin.

Also, while the media can certainly be voracious and vulture like in their appetite which is unseemly, I disagree entirely with the the concept that these relatives should just discount what is on the "news" as if it is fiction. The News is reporting the words of the D.A. , so if we support and believe the D.A., then I guess we support the regurgitation of the D.A.'s words to the press. Words that are coming straight from the narratives of the victims and the impressions from the LE at scene of the crime.

I think initial denial would give way to the facts and to feelings of horror of what your family member has apparently done. Questioning the victims for the "real story" in an attempt to deny what your son or daughter has done is extremely dysfunctional. He can certainly question his son later, NOT the victims narrative.

While I have empathy for their disbelief...victims first. Always.
MOO

I think this is why they've not spoken any more after their initial comments of disbelief, and why the brother has taken time off. The more that has come out, they may have sat down and thought, a lot, about the past years. Signs they missed, went back over FB pictures, the bankruptcies that they likely knew nothing about, read the neighbor's accounts of the homes. Excuses why their son and his family didn't visit or the parents couldn't visit. Why they probably didn't see the home on their trip to Disney six years ago. The kids weren't just skinny and shy... The brother may have even accepted it and just sat them down. If it were my sibling, and their spouse, in the news, I'd have to go and sit with my parents. They'd be totally bewildered to put it mildly. Honestly, I'd be concerned for their health, in addition to the children's. News like that can give folks a heart attack.

 

[Rocco]

It’s really sad the adults and children have been split up which is likely adding to the stress they are enduring. I just hope they get to see each other often.

It's even sadder that the children are being split up into 2 foster homes. But I'm sure those who are making these decisions are doing what's best for them---even if it's sad to us.

 

[KaaBoom]

Hopefully as well as SSD, I think they will qualify.

I believe that will take at least one year.

 

[EA18G]

REVEALED: 'House of Horrors' children will NOT be allowed to stay together as the youngest six are split up and placed in two foster homes and their seven adult siblings are sent to a special care facility

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrors-children-not-allowed-live-together.html

 

[MissUnderstood]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/scratched-doors-faeces-smeared-walls-11871022

If you click on the picture of the bed with the white frame, you'll see what I mean.

ETA: https://twitter.com/CBS11JasonAllen...scratched-doors-faeces-smeared-walls-11871022

It does look like zip ties, or it could be small knots in the rope.
Wonder if it’s of if the kids in the photo hanging in the wall? Zooming in it looks like a baby or toddler.
Moo


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[mtnlites]

While I agree with DA in this situation, I disagree with your way of thinking. If your family member was charged with something horrific, their children taken to hospital and all you know is what hearing or seeing on news? You wouldn't want to hear from your family member to try figure out what going on? National media camping out on your road/lawn. Jmho it's unfair to judge the 80 yr old parents for making that comment when no evidence they were aware of situation LEO found.

Again I support the DA and they have the best interest of these kids at hand.

Not that I said "at this time." I actually said it twice. I fully support the idea of the parents getting the stories from the children, as well as having a relationship with them in the future. In fact, I think it's necessary for everyone's healing. But I don't think it's a good idea now, not while the children are still being interviewed and investigators are still putting the story together. I wasn't the only person to make this comment, or to say something similar. I understand Rocket's frustration with putting words in people's mouths and their original meanings being twisted.

 

[JerricaBenton]

Do you still think that their hair hasn't been dyed? I believe it has been dyed in an attempt to objectify the children.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/turpin-family-photos-kids-children-update/

Nope, I don't see any evidence of hair dye.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I think the reason it keeps coming up is because people want to know how to recognize the difference. How can we tell if it's just naturally thin or intentional starvation?

I would think the presence or otherwise of muscle would be one way. A naturally thin person should still have evidence of muscle on the limbs, whereas a starved one would be just proverbial skin and bone. One of the features of starvation is that eventually the body starts to consume muscle when there's nothing else left to consume.

The complicating factor here is that muscle also wastes during long periods of immobility, which we know applied in this case since the children were shackled to their beds.

 

[KaaBoom]

REVEALED: 'House of Horrors' children will NOT be allowed to stay together as the youngest six are split up and placed in two foster homes and their seven adult siblings are sent to a special care facility

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrors-children-not-allowed-live-together.html

I wonder what happened to the plans to keep them together? It does make sense though. No way could they find one single foster home for six children, especially in Southern California.

 

[KaaBoom]

Can the adult children qualify?

My guess is most of them will eventually be on SSI. I would expect long term physical and mental issues for them.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

My thoughts on who the mother of the two year old is... It seems that the 17 year old for sure was very willing to share details of her parents' actions with LE. LE is usually quite hesitant to identify remains, or make statements about parentage, until DNA results are returned. In this case, without DNA that we know of, they readily stated "we believe the children are all DT & LT's." The only scoure they would have for this so quickly is the children.

If we accept that the 12 older children are all the children of the couple, then they will have varying combinations of inherited genes that nevertheless clearly come from those parents. The issue which arises if the 2 year old is the child of one of the other children, is that all of the males in the house are also related to the 2 year old and a hypothetical child mother. In other words, it may be more complicated to work out whether DT is both father and grandfather of the toddler than if he is just his/her father.

 

[mtnlites]

While I think an initial reaction of denial in the face of this horror is real and normal, that is usually expressed as shock and disbelief. I think what this grandparent said was "I don't believe it, I want to talk to them (the children) and get the real story". That statement reeks more of denying the abuse that the survivors have experienced ever happened. It likely speaks to the family dynamics in LT/DT's families of origin.

Also, while the media can certainly be voracious and vulture like in their appetite which is unseemly, I disagree entirely with the the concept that these relatives should just discount what is on the "news" as if it is fiction. The News is reporting the words of the D.A. , so if we support and believe the D.A., then I guess we support the regurgitation of the D.A.'s words to the press. Words that are coming straight from the narratives of the victims and the impressions from the LE at scene of the crime.

I think initial denial would give way to the facts and to feelings of horror of what your family member has apparently done. Questioning the victims for the "real story" in an attempt to deny what your son or daughter has done is extremely dysfunctional. He can certainly question his son later, NOT the victims narrative.

While I have empathy for their disbelief...victims first. Always.
MOO

Thank you. That's exactly what I was saying in my post as well. I understand the grandparents' desire to speak to the children, to get "their side" without getting all of their facts from the media, but their wording has given me pause. My desire, as you said, is to take care of the victims first.

 

[rsd1200]

It does look like zip ties, or it could be small knots in the rope.
Wonder if it’s of if the kids in the photo hanging in the wall? Zooming in it looks like a baby or toddler.
Moo


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It looks kinda like old baling twine to me. Those seem to be nice baby beds.

Edit: I just fiddled with the photo and enlarged it. I think that those are long zip ties.

 

[mtnlites]

I would think the presence or otherwise of muscle would be one way. A naturally thin person should still have evidence of muscle on the limbs, whereas a starved one would be just proverbial skin and bone. One of the features of starvation is that eventually the body starts to consume muscle when there's nothing else left to consume.

The complicating factor here is that muscle also wastes during long periods of immobility, which we know applied in this case since the children were shackled to their beds.

Blood tests can also show if the person is suffering from malnutrition, which could be an indication that they were in starvation mode as opposed to being naturally thin.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

What are the theories so far on why there is such a big gap between the 10 year old and the 2 year old (other than the baby being one of the older daughter's kids)?

An accident. I've read that women's fertility can have a supernova ending just before menopause, when after years of declining fertility it has one last flare up before finally fading and dying. Or women can relax the contraception too early because they assume they're no longer fertile.

I mentioned earlier one of our neighbours who had this happen in her late 40s. The husband was an engineer of some sort working out in the Gulf. The plan was for them to migrate to Australia when his contract was up, but on one of his last home leaves the wife got pregnant. Because of her age the baby had Down Syndrome so the husband abandoned his family and went straight to Australia on his own when his contract ended and never returned. At the time, Australia did not allow immigration by anyone with a disability.

 

[Leila]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-children-found-shackled-in-home-placed-in-foster-care/ CBS is reporting that the adults will be moved to an assisted living facility this week and that the six children will be moved to two foster homes.

I wonder if this is a temporary solution? I realize that with 13 individuals it would be difficult to find a place that would accommodate all of them on an immediate basis. But, I hope that in the future, something can be found that will accommodate all.

One thing about assisted living facilities for the adult children that's good is that a typical assisted living apartment has a bedroom, bath, small sitting area with television, and a kitchen with small refrig. microwave, sink, and dining area. Most of the assisted living facilities have a common dining room where breakfast, lunch, and dinner are served. There's usually larger rooms that can accommodate a family for a visit. I can see that as a place where minor children can be brought to visit with the adult children on a regular basis. We have relatives in one local assisted living facility that's more like an nice hotel. So, on a temporary basis, an assisted living facility is a good place. The adult children are under the watchful eye of medical professionals.