CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

[vlpate]

I wonder if the Bible thing is even true. It could be a tale they told the elderly, religious parents to make them think they were raising them on the Bible. It seemed a bit like them boasting that one of the kids wanted to memorize the whole thing.

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I always take anything the mother of a monster says with a grain of salt.

 

[gitana1]

Seems to me that anyone who is deriving pleasure from the idea of or actual infliction of physical pain on the Turpins, is exercising the same perversion as they did, with their own children. We are a country of laws, the purpose of which is to protect ALL of us from each other's excessive greed, cruelty, revenge, recklessness, etc.

True. Except the Turpins lusted after inflicting pain on totally innocent and dependent children. That's a difference from expressing the feeling of wanting to see the wig snatched off a brutal child abuser's head, knowing it's not a wig!

I do feel a lot of anger and disgust at these monsters. I do feel like smacking them in the face.

But I don't believe in brutality or torture or any of that. (I especially hate it when people express glee over the thought of using rape as punishment for anything ever). We are indeed a nation of laws. Or we are supposed to be.

However, sometimes people just express an angry thought. People here are venting a bit. I think most would not actually commit a brutal act, even on creatures such as these.

 

[her]

Does Disney ask for ID?

For residential rates yes of adults.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I don’t know what you’re talking about but Florida has an extreme amount of over sight with homeschooling.

Yes, it has been discussed many times in this thread that some states do and some do not have regulations on homeschooling. We are currently discussing California, where they do not. All that was required was a fire inspection, which did not happen.

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[gitana1]

am I misunderstanding the bolded part here? Do you honestly believe there is ever a reason one could use for having tied or chained up children, adult age or minors? Or denied them food ? These were not obese or chubby kids to being with, if the pictures we have seen are any indiction. They were nearly skeletal. That’s not the same as taking away second helpings or dessert.

Facts already show they were all underweight (except the youngest) and at leadt some were chained. Excrement and urine ?

We don’t have to nitpick the extent or exact forms of abuse, but these kids were obvious victims.

I am trying so hard to understand why there seems to be anyone who would try to justify any of this abusiveness. It just boggles my brain. I’m losing ....

ETA
sorry arkansasmimi ... this is not meant to be directed at you except for the first question ... I can’t agree there is ever a justifiable reason that fits this case. I am just so sensitive with this subject, I guess, and had to vent a bit.

It's pretty horrifying the lengths some sometimes go to try to excuse people like this. LE was clear that the Turpins gave no logical justification for chaining their kids. Nothing. And if any of those kids had disabilities that involved safety issues with wandering or whatever (which still would never justify chaining for God's sake), I'm sure their loving family members would've immediately revealed that.

 

[human]

And also depends on how questions are asked to get answers. Not saying abuse didn't happen. Just pointing out that example of pies on counter. It could be true were not allowed to eat. But there could be a valid reason for that and also which of the 12 made the allegation. Why were chained up, there was one statement that said LT couldn't give valid reason iirc. I don't know why they were. Haven't heard any explanations from -DT or LT. I don't know if those individuals had medical or mental issues and used restraints for some sort of safety reasons? It could be true in that situation or not. I am NOT sticking up for -DT or LT. There's just a lot people are assuming. One daughter seems challenged in Elvis video. Not just shoes either. The son who was still chained does as well. Bankruptcy documents show a eye specialist was seen by someone.

My hope is there could be many facts to go with small snippets about 13 individuals that makes this less horrific as first reports. Especially reading multiple media reports with different versions on same person quoted. Jmho

Chaining is not accepted anywhere is it? I mean in the US.

 

[gitana1]

Serious question. I live abroad and for some things I need to show my passport. Such as exchanging money at a bank from dollars to local currency. And to buy a cell phone. That is the local flip phone for $42, Otherwise, do not need ID.

I am wondering why anyone would need an id if they are not doing anything such as drinking or legal requirements

I believe a valid ID of some form is required for certain forms of government assistance.

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you. I asked on the previous page to see if I was reading it as intended. No response as of yet.

You’re welcome. The thread is moving fast right now a bunch of new posts while I was typing. I am starting to feel I can’t keep up and am overlooking some comments along the way.

 

[gitana1]

Chaining is not accepted anywhere is it? I mean in the US.

Prisoners in shackles. Which these poor kids were not.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

And also depends on how questions are asked to get answers. Not saying abuse didn't happen. Just pointing out that example of pies on counter. It could be true were not allowed to eat. But there could be a valid reason for that and also which of the 12 made the allegation. Why were chained up, there was one statement that said LT couldn't give valid reason iirc. I don't know why they were. Haven't heard any explanations from -DT or LT. I don't know if those individuals had medical or mental issues and used restraints for some sort of safety reasons? It could be true in that situation or not. I am NOT sticking up for -DT or LT. There's just a lot people are assuming. One daughter seems challenged in Elvis video. Not just shoes either. The son who was still chained does as well. Bankruptcy documents show a eye specialist was seen by someone.

My hope is there could be many facts to go with small snippets about 13 individuals that makes this less horrific as first reports. Especially reading multiple media reports with different versions on same person quoted. Jmho

BBM

WHAAAAT?!

You seem to be suggesting there might be a valid reason for not allowing them to eat, and that it matters which child made the allegation.

" It could be true were not allowed to eat. But there could be a valid reason for that and also which of the 12 made the allegation."

You also seem to be suggesting that they may have chained some of the children "for safety reasons."

Quite honestly, this is scaring me.

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[arkansasmimi]

http://www.insideedition.com/louise...and-husband-david-drove-her-sister-says-40073

Here is the origin of the rodeo photo.

I was mixed up, this is one of their repeating things. But, it is not specifically connected to the exact trips to Huntsville as far as what is known so far.

OMG!
This is exactly what some of us are saying. While there is an arena there at Billy Bob's (it is separated from bar area FYI) the area where this photo taken is also in different area. Hope they show the Christmas card photo. Darn looks like they go back and visit venues every other year. Disneyland, Billy Bob's where in the interim?

"In a photo exclusively obtained by Inside Edition, the Turpins are seen posing at a Texas rodeo. The couple enjoyed the rodeo so much that they returned two years later to take a similar image that was later used as the family Christmas card. "

 

[human]

But before that they had to be forced to memorize the words and how to spell them. And to write in those journals. Not being sarcastic just pointing out they had to be learning prior to getting to that point. Happens in Sunday School and private schools too. Jmho Grandparents may have been trying to make point that kids were not as illiterate as some Media trying to make the 12 appear.

We know from LE reports via media there were hundreds of journals. Does not mean they were particularly advanced , for some of them anyway

 

[kimlynn]

It's pretty horrifying the lengths some sometimes go to try to excuse people like this. LE was clear that the Turpins gave no logical justification for chaining their kids. Nothing. And if any of those kids had disabilities that involved safety issues with wandering or whatever (which still would never justify chaining for God's sake), I'm sure their loving family members would've immediately revealed that.

Plus it would be even more cruel to leave a mentally or medically ill person to simmer in their own waste.

 

[xstitchwitch]

I really hate the pictures from the rodeo. To see both of them holding ropes is almost like we are seeing the parents through the eyes of the children. Imagine you are one of the 12 older survivors that are still alive (because I truly expect that there were more than 13 children) and the female parent comes into your room holding a rope and at this point in time you are the only one in the room that isn't tied up.

Yes, I have a vivid imagination. I also had an abusive father, but that is a story for another time.

 

[vlpate]

If the kids/adults were " chained due to medical or mental issues" or because "daughter seems challenged"
Are you saying this would be reasons for chaining?

Motives and excuses are not justified by default. There's no justification for chaining a person to a bed against their will.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think a photo ID is required to enroll in Community College in California if you apply with an SSN. Also you can enroll as a concurrent enrollment student as a 10th through 12th grader and the only requirement was that as 'principal,' DT would have had to sign the form. Also the Accuplacer tests are optional. California Community Colleges in some areas have also become "sanctuary colleges" and don't even require the SSN anymore in some cases. You don't have to prove you are a resident of the State of California, don't have to produce a passport, birth certificate, SSN or anything.

Respectfully link from link at specific school the son attended
ASSESSMENT—

The assessment test MUST be completed in person, on campus. Bring a valid photo ID with you. Allow yourself approximately two hours to complete the test. You are advised to take the assessment one time, so it is highly recommended that you review and prepare yourself by viewing the "Preparing for Assessment" video. https://www.msjc.edu/StudentServices/EnrollmentServices/Pages/New-Students.aspx

 

[human]

For residential rates yes of adults.

Really? Aren’t room rates based on amount of occupants? I don’t know, but in most hotels only children under two are free. They ask the ages of occupants?

 

[human]

It's pretty horrifying the lengths some sometimes go to try to excuse people like this. LE was clear that the Turpins gave no logical justification for chaining their kids. Nothing. And if any of those kids had disabilities that involved safety issues with wandering or whatever (which still would never justify chaining for God's sake), I'm sure their loving family members would've immediately revealed that.

Yes. Wandering. There are all kinds of safeguards an engineer could figure out such as alarms. Think of a fire in the home. Special, no? Kids in chains.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Chaining is not accepted anywhere is it? I mean in the US.

Only animals, and that's not even allowed everywhere in the US.

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[TeaTime]

Really? Aren’t room rates based on amount of occupants? I don’t know, but in most hotels only children under two are free. They ask the ages of occupants?

I think the OP is talking about entrance fees.