CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #3

[Chuz Life]

Have other terrorists/mass shooters left behind children?

Yes.

"The sources added that he had a wife, who too was a ISIS sympathiser and that she was pregnant, and that Zaher had refused to delay the suicide attack until the birth of his baby."

 

[wendybtn]

I agree it's very important.

It also makes me question Obama's want to bring over 10,000 more refugees into the U.S. on a fast track.

She had a fiancee visa. Her background check was a fingerprint. It is very easy to get this type of visa. Then marry within 90 days of entry & you are a citizen. There is no such thing as a thorough background check when the country you are from does very little record keeping.

 

[longlonglake]

I totally get this, its very common in Asian cultures. They straddle both worlds. But there is a component to THIS particular religion that leaves itself open to such extreme interpretations that are pretty unique. I can't think of the last time a Hindu or Buddist committed mass murder for religious reasons on American soil. Not saying it hasn't happened, but its not a "thing" you know?

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An excellent book to read is: Why I am Not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq. Written by a former Muslim. I borrowed it from my local library, and read it before 9/11. After 9/11, the book disappeared from the library. Too politically incorrect? That was quite an eye-opener. So was the book.

It is still available from Amazon, and I think I am going to read it again.

 

[AmyPond]

I realized (and remembered) looking at the pictures that she was actually out of the SUV and moving when she went down. She was definitely fully clothed in the few aerials where you can see her body when the bearcats arrive. She was on the other side of the street.

I don't think she died outside the car. There was almost no blood. I am thinking they pulled her body out after the fact.

I thought the powdered milk and cereal was an odd thing
to give a baby.

It was a can of baby formula and a can of baby cereal. Not odd at all for a 6 month old.

Where are mom and baby of farook?

With social services. And it sounds like the brother-in-law who spoke with the news is planning to adopt her.

 

[CARIIS]

TSA practices and policy for starters.

http://www.travel-plan-idea.com/tsa-searching-a-baby-photo-and-discussion/

oh my god i want to click but .... on the first thread I found and posted a training video for TSA

They reviewed the prohibited items ON airplanes

it read like
gasoline tanks,
bleach
dynomite
swords
guns
lawn mowers
harpoons
corrosive fluids
went on and on with just stupid a@@ stuff

have any of you ever wanted to carry on a tank of gasoline on your vacation?

or lug a 97 cent gallon of clorox around an airport?

Muritic acid?

and it when on and on and on and on

it was like those tags at the end of commericals like loans where the law says you must tell custumer all this stuff and they do it at 476 mph- and the govt lets them. If the law says the consumer must know these things ; dont you have to understand what they are saying?

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes.
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I should have specified I meant American.

 

[Boytwnmom]

that I hadn't seen. Been reading reports of girls who traveled to Syria being killed trying to leave. I think girls are a big enticement ISIS uses. They do enslave captured non-Muslim women who get passed around but they also provide "wives" and there's lots of "loopholes" for men to have sex with women outside marriage and of course they can have multiple wives.

There really is nothing new under the sun. The recruitment techniques are typical of cults and they all prey on the same kind of person. And they all offer community and "meaning" in a life that may be lonely or unsuccessful.

ISIS and the Lonely Young American

Alex, a 23-year-old Sunday school teacher and babysitter, was trembling with excitement the day she told her Twitter followers that she had converted to Islam.

For months, she had been growing closer to a new group of friends online — the most attentive she had ever had — who were teaching her what it meant to be a Muslim. Increasingly, they were telling her about the Islamic State and how the group was building a homeland in Syria and Iraq where the holy could live according to God’s law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/world/americas/isis-online-recruiting-american.html?_r=0

I found this very informative and interesting when I read it a couple months ago.

 

[trigger]

I agree it's very important.

It also makes me question Obama's want to bring over 10,000 more refugees into the U.S. on a fast track.

I heard today on Fox that there are 35,000 people that came here through K 1 visa. Smh

 

[bluesneakers]

I heard today on Fox that there are 35,000 people that came here through K 1 visa. Smh

In the last year?

 

[CARIIS]

oh my goodness CNN plugging the heros of the year Sunday

and my first thought oh god that will probably get preempteid by the next attack

that is horrible

 

[Chuz Life]

She had a fiancee visa. Her background check was a fingerprint. It is very easy to get this type of visa. Then marry within 90 days of entry & you are a citizen. There is no such thing as a thorough background check when the country you are from does very little record keeping.

I am a little familiar with the process, having been in the Military overseas and having witnessed guys bringing women back to the states - to marry them. It was not uncommon at all.

 

[Chuz Life]

I heard today on Fox that there are 35,000 people that came here through K 1 visa. Smh

Just Wow!

 

[CARIIS]

What is this? The Keystone Cops? Was it the FBI who decided to let the press walk through a crime scene or the SB sheriff's office? They have no idea what they may need to go back and look for and they are letting people wander through there like a herd of buffalo. Talk about soft targets, the whole US is becoming one.

The way it was "explained" that once the FBI is done by law they have to turn the propery back to the owner .

Now (!) after the trampede the Sheriffs office (i posted) tweeted that it was still an active crime scene to THEM.

Then they gently escoted him off to where we still dont know

 

[bluesneakers]

She had a fiancee visa. Her background check was a fingerprint. It is very easy to get this type of visa. Then marry within 90 days of entry & you are a citizen. There is no such thing as a thorough background check when the country you are from does very little record keeping.

You don't become a citizen. You become a permanent resident and have to wait five years before you can apply for citizenship.

 

[Boytwnmom]

And I have been to many Jewish services but only Reformed and Modern Orthodox-thanks for asking

Lordy. Ever been to an Orthodox Jewish service?

 

[FLmom777]

I haven't seen this addressed and am curious. She was 26 when they were married. Is that considered older than normal in the ME culture?

 

[trigger]

In the last year?

Idk but I taped it. Let me see if I can find it.

In 2014 the Dept of State issued 35,000 K 1 visa in the U.S.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I don't blame the reporters for the crime scene fiasco, that should have been protected.

Once the landlord opened the door and the first reporter entered the others basically HAD to go in else their station would be left out and the reporter could be in big trouble. We all wanted to see it and we went to the sites that had up.

Still trying to cach up...shouldn't LEO have guarded this crime scene? This is like the biggest story going on right now how does no one stay tthere to make sure ghouls don't ttry to get in. I'm hearing it was released to landlord annd I'm hearing it wasnn't. If it wasnn'tt why wasnn't someone there to make sure it was't brokenn into? It's common sense. MOO

 

[Ellie9]

BBM Even though it's in the news every day it's still hard to make sense of it. We have a whole "Crimes: Focus on Children" forum and most of the threads I see are horrific crimes committed by parents.

Using your child as a suicide bomb or abandoning your child because you have some people to kill is just... I don't know. Unfathomable. Have other terrorists/mass shooters left behind children?

I was raised in western culture, too, so I view it as just so sad as well. I would imagine that even people who live in non-western areas that practice infanticide would not be willing to use the child as a bomb. They tend to kill out of pure necessity - not because of brainwashing, ideologies, or mental health problems.

I think it's helpful in order to understand the mindset of non-child-centric areas to remember that in the US, UK, etc, (all over the world) there was excessive and brutal child labour. Just over a hundred years ago it was common to see children in the mines and in factories (highly dangerous, long term and short term). It was the norm. It'd have been weird to see a healthy five year old without a job. (more than 12 hours a day, every day.) Children would start working as soon as they could for a long time in human history. Before industry, they worked the family farms and inside the house, and hunting/livestock care, etc. This only really changed with mandatory early education.

In my reading of mass shooters, most have no children. This is a really strange case of a husband and wife team, who also had a baby. I think this is why we're so certain this is terrorism and not what we'd term a rampage.

I don't know if these two were going to use their baby. They seemed to have left it in a safe place with an adult, indicating they wanted the baby to survive unharmed. I've heard of other terrorists using children, though. It sickens me. Using children as weapons was not the norm. It leads me to believe these people are brainwashed, and also desperate.

I guess to the original poster, I was trying to say that mistreating and abandoning babies is sadly common to the human experience. And the terrorists are still humans, even with the things they do. But, it doesn't mean it's right. I think I'm trying to say we can be against someone or some group's ideology, without the need of taking away their humanity.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Imam pushes Muslims to monitor for radicalization

ROOSEVELT - A Roosevelt imam is calling on Muslims to get more involved in helping track others who may have potentially radicalized.

Isa Abdul Kareem believes all Muslims on Long Island should pay close attention and look for behavioral changes in fellow followers of Islam.

"Who would better be able to notice that than the Muslims who are around him, who pray with him, who live with him, who see him every day?" asks Kareem. "We could spot the change in our Muslim brother much quicker than let's say the FBI or any other intelligence group."


http://longisland.news12.com/news/r...lims-to-monitor-for-radicalization-1.11194255