CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #3

[1&2&3]

Just thinking - I read that the wife was a pharmacist. At least that is reportedly what was on her visa papers. However, I heard on television that she has not worked in this country that they know of.

Also, I read the address she put on her paperwork is nonexistent. So, that brings me to question if she really had a college degree and if she was really a pharmacist?

Somewhere I think I have read or heard that depending on your occupation, the better your chances are to get into this country. If your occupation is one that is high level or needed it helps you. Don't have any idea if this matters on a fiancé visa. In my mind, I think ones paperwork would be expedited by being a pharmacist. JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

guys it has been quite a day huh? lunesta la la land is delicously approachig I thank you all for being during the madness of one of the - i cant find a word

 

[Hope4More]

If we took that same post, and replaced the subject with 'child rapists who kill their prey' or 'serial killers who torture their random victims', would people be upset at the thought of stamping them out like cockroaches?

Yes. I'm kinda quirky in that I believe in the rule of law, courts, all that good stuff that makes us a democracy and not an anarchistic mob.

And I'm even quirkier about not calling any fellow being an insect deserving of extermination. Maybe having worked with Holocaust survivors and having visited many actual real life extermination and concentration camps makes me a bit tetchy on the subject.

 

[RickshawFan]

This is the first piece of intelligent thinking that I have heard!

Let's hope more imam's call for their mosque to become active and alert on fellow Muslims! It is apparent the USA needs them to be their eyes and ears. This is not said in a snarky way! If a person(s) is not suspicious, as these two apparently were not, what is there to call attention to them?

Perhaps one thing our government can do is pay close attention to where new mosques have been built, and monitor those cities where these mosques do not fit with the low Muslim population. What is going on that small cities have been chosen to build these expensive mosques? It can't be good. . . Very suspicious!!

Ummmm...there are many small towns where gigantic Christian churches have been built, no expense spared.

 

[RickshawFan]

katydid------------these people aren't wired like we are. It's human nature to try and understand why they do what they do, especially when a defenseless baby is involved, but their minds don't work like a normal mind does. They have no shame. They have no conscience. They have no little voice saying this is a really bad fu^***ng idea.

We can't understand them. We just have to kill them.......much like cockroaches and flies. One at a time...as they surface.

Ummmm.....labels like "these people" segregate folks who are different from us and can be a step on the way to hate speech. IMO. There are many groups in this country who are different from apple pie American straight Christian Caucasians, that have been labeled "these people" as a way to justify violence, intimidation, and dehumanization.

 

[RickshawFan]

oh my god TLC they are "teaching "
folks how to get a wife in 90 days

I can get a lesson tips for buying a car, dishwasher

but wife ----wowey

a) check under the sink for bomb maing materials
b) determine if old copies of Inspire magazine are anywhere
c)glance at mail - if she claims to be living alone and her mail is addressed to someone at a different address - depart quickly
d)carefully check her closet for suicide vests (again any located depart quickly)
e) look under the bed, if you see a pistol, and your really like her it might be ok to stay a bit longer - however if you notice machine guns again make a gentle and soft exit -
f) the old adage , a women scorned, has totally a different "feel ", if you will, in this day and age

It is not at all rare for men to get a wife in no time at all. The women are called "mail order brides." Note also, that many cultures use arranged marriages. These are very often "last minute."

 

[katydid23]

Yes. I'm kinda quirky in that I believe in the rule of law, courts, all that good stuff that makes us a democracy and not an anarchistic mob.

And I'm even quirkier about not calling any fellow being an insect deserving of extermination. Maybe having worked with Holocaust survivors and having visited many actual real life extermination and concentration camps makes me a bit tetchy on the subject.

I guess I cannot compare the holocaust and concentration camps , which were full of entirely innocent victims, to the discussion about ridding society of rapists, terrorists and serial killers. And I don't think anyone was seriously talking about anarchistic mobs or anything like that. I think it was more about making sure justice is done, and they are not falling through the cracks etc. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Ummmm.....labels like "these people" segregate folks who are different from us and can be a step on the way to hate speech. IMO. There are many groups in this country who are different from apple pie American straight Christian Caucasians, that have been labeled "these people" as a way to justify violence, intimidation, and dehumanization.

He was using the term' these people' to describe coldblooded killers who could walk into their office Christmas party and shoot 40 co-workers multiple times. So they are 'different' and they should be intimidated and reviled, imo.


ETA: he was NOT describing any particular group or race or religion, only terrorists, of any of the above

 

[RickshawFan]

In light of her Red Mosque connections I really believe she radicalized him. But he had to be ripe for it as well. What makes a successful, American born, supposedly decent person take on third world ideology and destroy his and his own child's future? Because I understand (almost) foreign terrorists. They hate what they don't understand. They hate what they don't have. This guy, this guy was raised here. Not wanting for food, shelter or education
We need to get to this root of how she persuaded him, to learn to fight this.

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a) There are many fundamentalist churches in the US which advocate hatred of people who don't hold their views and they have large followings
b) there are justifiable reasons why many people in the Middle East and Asia hate the US.
c) many Americans hate what they don't understand
d) most developing countries have lots of admirable qualities and are inhabited by folks who are less quick to judge others than a majority of Americans.

I am American, and the rampant bigotry in this country appalls me.

 

[wannabe00]

How come Farook was on a dating site that describes itself as " iMilap, which caters to people with disabilities as well as people looking for a second marriage."

was he married before? Did he have a disability?

 

[wendiesan]

Is there a big movie about to premiere? If that's what was happening they'd want the theatre as crowded as possible.

IMO the biggest is not for a few weeks. Star Wars: Dec.18. FWIW, theatres are already selling out weeks before it opens.

This week saw a lot of openings, of which IMO, possibly the most controversial is Chi-Raq: Dec. 4. Others seem unlikely to be considered big in comparison.

FWIW Still in theatres, IMO, big ones are: Spectre, Creed, Hunger Games: Mockingjay, The Peanuts Movie, The Martian.

 

[wendiesan]

How come Farook was on a dating site that describes itself as " iMilap, which caters to people with disabilities as well as people looking for a second marriage." was he married before? Did he have a disability?

Or was he looking for someone vulnerable, who might be useful to him in some way?

 

[Elley Mae]

Imam pushes Muslims to monitor for radicalization

ROOSEVELT - A Roosevelt imam is calling on Muslims to get more involved in helping track others who may have potentially radicalized.

Isa Abdul Kareem believes all Muslims on Long Island should pay close attention and look for behavioral changes in fellow followers of Islam.

"Who would better be able to notice that than the Muslims who are around him, who pray with him, who live with him, who see him every day?" asks Kareem. "We could spot the change in our Muslim brother much quicker than let's say the FBI or any other intelligence group."


http://longisland.news12.com/news/r...lims-to-monitor-for-radicalization-1.11194255

They have to start doing something. Like others this one was at the mosque everyday for few weeks before the attack and let his beard grow out, iirc chattanooga terrorist did the same.

Nothing wrong with seeing changes in a parishioner and calling authorities about it, just like they said if you see something say something. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

The two assault rifles the attackers used, variants of the .223-caliber AR-15 rifle, both showed signs of having been illegally modified in an effort to make them more lethal, said Meredith Davis, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Los Angeles. One had been altered to allow a larger magazine than the 10-round maximum allowed under California law, and someone had made an unsuccessful attempt to convert the other from semiautomatic to a fully automatic machine gun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?_r=0

 

[Elley Mae]

Farook prayed here several times a week, leaders said. Malik, his wife, never did, they said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-muslim-friday-sermon-20151204-story.html#nt=outfit

 

[Elley Mae]

However, he said there was “no indication that the killers are part of an organised larger group or form part of a cell. There is no indication that they are part of a network.”

At a briefing to reporters near the scene of the shooting, the assistant FBI director said several pieces of evidence “essentially pushed us off the cliff to say we are now investigating this as an act of terrorism”.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rdino-shooting-tashfeen-malik-isis-connection

bbm

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

In the other post, someone asked what the point was if you were going to end up dead in the street.

The people you see committing these acts are groomed and moulded to see death as the ultimate sacrifice, a direct line to glory. They're being groomed that way because the core of ISIS see "foreign fighters" as cannon fodder. Their purpose is to spread fear and turn people against each other, because you have no idea if that guy sat next to you on the train is reaching into his backpack for his iPod, or his detonator. If that loving mother over there is concealing a rifle in her child's pushchair.

ISIS don't care if the cannon fodder dies because there are always more disillusioned, lost, lonely desperate, empty people to manipulate. And you don't even need that many to get nations tearing themselves apart, and to start having an economic impact. Look at Egypt over the Metrojet crash; they desperately needed it to be an accident because tourism is hugely important to them. So they totally screwed their handling and now they look worse than if they'd just admitted it earlier and made visible efforts to tighten up. I've got 5 or 6 friends who regularly went to Sharm on holiday, but won't be going in 2016, or maybe ever again. Differences of opinion mean that nations can't even agree on how to tackle ISIS, Russia is focused on propping up Assad and bombs all the rebels, regardless. Turkey shoots down a Russian jet and NATO clenches it's buttocks. EU nations start building fences to shut their borders.

 

[Sonya610]

Still trying to cach up...shouldn't LEO have guarded this crime scene? This is like the biggest story going on right now how does no one stay tthere to make sure ghouls don't ttry to get in. I'm hearing it was released to landlord annd I'm hearing it wasnn't. If it wasnn'tt why wasnn't someone there to make sure it was't brokenn into? It's common sense. MOO

The FBI talking head clearly said the scene had been released to the landlord in the press conference. Then later the local PD said it was still a crime scene (per the L.A. Times). Personally I don't see how they could have possibly done a "complete investigation" that quickly especially considering all of the stuff they left behind.

Regardless, even if they WERE done with the crime scene that fiasco further damaged the public's confidence in the officials that are supposed to be protecting our interests. It makes me think Ted Bundy was right about the FBI.

 

[Gigi-G]

News
Migrant repellent? Pork pinned to truck by German driver… to deter stowaways (VIDEO)
Published: 5 Dec 2015 | 05:40 GMT

YouTube

While European politicians are trying to figure out how to deal with the mass movement of refugees and migrants from Africa and the Middle East, one truck driver has taken things into his own hands. His viral ‘method’ targeted Muslim trespassers in particular.

Fed up with stowaways trying to hop onto his UK-bound vehicle, one German truck driver passing through Calais came up with what he thought was a brilliant repellent – at least against majority of supposed Muslim refugees and migrants.

With followers of Islam forbidden from eating pork on religious grounds, he decided to place several cuts of the meat on his truck. The ‘protective belt’ was then filmed and uploaded to YouTube.


The supposed hauler can be heard laughing in the video as he shows how he has fixed the meat to a number of points along his truck in the hope that it will deter the refugees from trying to gain illegal entry.

While some online commenters dismissed the idea as childish and probably swinish too, the vast majority responded with an outpouring of support for the drivers’ resourcefulness in finding this “creative solution.”

READ MORE: Dutch welcome: Pig heads left at migrants' camp entrance in Netherlands (GRAPHIC)

Some noted that there must be something really wrong going on in Europe, if people have to resort to this sort of self-defense.

“As far as Europe is! Self-protection! Funny though it is more than sad. Does this not show how helpless the European Union is? [sic]” user Lotto Otto said.


Drivers face large fines and possible imprisonment if found with stowaways on-board. In one August case, even reporting the surprise discovery to police did not save a truck driver from getting slapped with a hefty fine of £19,500 (over €27,000), the Guardian reported.

The video of pork ‘amulets’ started making the rounds in the media as EU member states backed the possibility of suspending the Schengen agreement for up to two years in an attempt to stem the flow of migrants and refugees into Europe. At present, countries can introduce temporary passport controls.

 

[Gigi-G]

Do people really understad itt's these off shoot terrorists tthat scares me most. ISIS or Al Queda may nott have specifcally planned and sannctioned tthese attacks (and the ones yet tto come) but we need to be weary of tthese sympathizzers ad wanna be ISIS people. Our locall high school foottball team is playinng at Dallas Cowboy stadium ttomorrow and it scares the crap out of me thatt my son wants to go there annd watch the game.

It scares me to go to the mall for Christmas shopping. I didn't do black friday shopping because these are obfious targes. I don't wannt tto cower but i don't want to put myself and my family out there for easy pickins either. If it cann happe in San Bernarding, it cann happen in small ttown Texas. we gottta be vigilannt. MOO

RT are now reporting that ISIS have claimed another 'victory' that their fellow members and claimed responsibility for attacks in San. Bernardino.

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