GUILTY CA - Aramazd Andressian, 5, South Pasadena, 18 April 2017 #2

[Niner]

Hey!

To Niner: Thank you so much for trying to find the news update

I try! LOL! I hate when the news breaks of a missing child, and then a month later.... nothing on the news..... it gets frustrating, I believe, for all of us!

I have "Ara" on my Google Alert - so hoping something "good" will come back.

I too prayer this little boy is tucked away somewhere "safe".

Media has posted an update online, both parents have been offered a lie detector test. Mother has agreed. Father's lawyer declined. However as someone pointed out, lie detector tests are not accurate nor admissible in court.

Well, they sure would help LE!!

And totally agree - Epic Fail on Dad!!

 

[cds0902]

Not surprised, All telling!

 

[Minty Fresh]

Media has posted an update online, both parents have been offered a lie detector test. Mother has agreed. Father's lawyer declined. However as someone pointed out, lie detector tests are not accurate nor admissible in court.

I can't find this news item. Do you have a link, please?

 

[cvaldez1975]

it depends if one parent makes more money than the other.

my husband has 50/50 of two of his kids and 100 of the third. previously, mom also had 50/50 of the third and dad paid 82 a month in support. he did not change it when he got 100 so he can bargain w that because if he amends that she will owe and that may make her go over the edge (lol) (she lied about how much she paid in daycare for one of her other kids that isn't my husband's as a "hardship")

another friend of mine her husband has 60% of his twin daughters and still has to pay the mom because shes broke af and he also has to pay her 50% of his stock options biannually but I think that was part of the divorce.

I am confused about the child support, when I worked for domestic attorneys, 50/50 custody was exactly what it sounds like. Neither parent pays child support,and the child lives half the time with mom and half the time with dad. I am in Ohio, so I know laws vary from state to state. I have a very hard time thinking it is mom who is hiding Ara. Just that dad's actions or lack of are all telling. I do not think he has been harmed. Praying I am right!!!!!

 

[cvaldez1975]

some states wont even split because "there must be a primary home" so they will do 49/51. ridiculous IMO.

YES. I had the same question. I have never seen a 50/50 custody where one parent owed child support to the other. I thought 50/50 meant no one paid child support because it was even.

ETA: OOPS, I was wrong

 

[xenawarrior]

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGigiGraciette/posts/10155404821414250

Not sure if we are allowed to site other social media websites though. This one is of Gigi Graciette, media/news member.

I can't find this news item. Do you have a link, please?

 

[katydid23]

I just don't understand how your child can go missing in your care, and you say you have no idea what happened, and you are not charged with 'neglect' or child endangerment at very least.

It seems to me that if I was found, passed out by my car, which was full of accelerants, at 6:30 am, and I tried to say my 5 yr old wanted to go the the park at 6 am, but I don't know where he is now, I'd be in jail.

 

[gitana1]

I just don't understand how your child can go missing in your care, and you say you have no idea what happened, and you are not charged with 'neglect' or child endangerment at very least.

It seems to me that if I was found, passed out by my car, which was full of accelerants, at 6:30 am, and I tried to say my 5 yr old wanted to go the the park at 6 am, but I don't know where he is now, I'd be in jail.

I think because child neglect can be a lesser included of homicide and if they convict on that and later find the child died, they may face a double jeopardy bar to a homicide prosecution.

 

[katydid23]

I think because child neglect can be a lesser included of homicide and if they convict on that and later find the child died, they may face a double jeopardy bar to a homicide prosecution.

I hope that's why. And you are probably on target with their reasoning. I do hope it is because they are looking at future trial strategy. :jail:

 

[gitana1]

I hope that's why. And you are probably on target with their reasoning. I do hope it is because they are looking at future trial strategy. :jail:

Same thing happened in little Jhessye Shockley's case. Her mother was initially charged with some kind of child abuse. They withdrew the charges. The mother is now serving life for murder. Jhessye's little body was never found.

 

[GigTu]

Same thing happened in little Jhessye Shockley's case. Her mother was initially charged with some kind of child abuse. They withdrew the charges. The mother is now serving life for murder. Jhessye's little body was never found.

:tantrum:

 

[xenawarrior]

God I hope this isn't the case. Hope the boy is found alive. If he's not alive, hope his body is found so the family can have closure. This is painful!

Same thing happened in little Jhessye Shockley's case. Her mother was initially charged with some kind of child abuse. They withdrew the charges. The mother is now serving life for murder. Jhessye's little body was never found.

 

[Laocoon]

My husband tried explaining to me that it's entirely possible that an attorney would advise him to decline the lie detector test.
If the father is innocent but fails the test, he definitely looks guilty.
If he is guilty and fails the test, it's inadmissible in court anyway. Seems pointless to take it in any circumstance. The LE probably offered it to rattle his cage a bit...

 

[Laocoon]

Do we know if the father is staying put? Is it possible that he is out of state/country?

 

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[Mominmi]

Has Sr. been charged for taking perscription medication that was not his? I thought that was illegal? If I'd been found passed out while on my own perscription meds when I was supposed to have charge of my child, even if nothing untoward happened to said child, I don't think LE would just give me a pass on the drugs. I understand what was said above about jeopardy potentially attaching if they charged Sr with child endangerment but that wouldn't happen if he was charged in someway regarding the meds, would it? Small potatoes, I guess, but he just makes me ����

Andressian Sr. had been found earlier that morning passed out next to his BMW -- which had been doused in gasoline -- around 6:30 a.m. at Arroyo Park, sheriff's homicide Lt. Joe Mendoza said last Wednesday, a day before the park was searched a second time. Matches and a gasoline container were found in the car.
He had ingested prescription medication that didn't belong to him, according to investigators.
http://ktla.com/2017/05/25/evidence...ssing-5-year-old-san-gabriel-valley-boy-lasd/

 

[perfectingpink]

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Just when I think I have this all down... I am sorry and should have known better because once I read this I had a smack the forehead moment.

 

[gitana1]

My husband tried explaining to me that it's entirely possible that an attorney would advise him to decline the lie detector test.
If the father is innocent but fails the test, he definitely looks guilty.
If he is guilty and fails the test, it's inadmissible in court anyway. Seems pointless to take it in any circumstance. The LE probably offered it to rattle his cage a bit...

Of course. But a real parent, one who desperately wants to find their missing baby, would do whatever they have to in order to focus LE by eliminating the parent as a suspect.

Any parent who doesnt cooperate is extemely suspicious to me.

But my God, the man was found next to his gasoline soaked car. His kid missing. And he doesn't seem that concerned. I can't fathom a scenario in which this darling little cherub wasn't the victim of foul play at the hands of his father. I don't know his mother can survive this. It's terrible. The worst.

 

[gitana1]

Has Sr. been charged for taking perscription medication that was not his? I thought that was illegal? If I'd been found passed out while on my own perscription meds when I was supposed to have charge of my child, even if nothing untoward happened to said child, I don't think LE would just give me a pass on the drugs. I understand what was said above about jeopardy potentially attaching if they charged Sr with child endangerment but that wouldn't happen if he was charged in someway regarding the meds, would it? Small potatoes, I guess, but he just makes me ����

It could. They don't know what happened to the little cherub. But let's say he died after being trapped in a hot car because dad was out of it after ingesting someone else's prescription. I'm not sure but it's possible that a possession charge could cause jeopardy to attach to a later homicide charge.

I think it's typical in cases like this when it appears obvious a parent did something, (or didn't do something they should have), for there to be no charges until the strongest charges can occur. Frustrating though. Because he seems to escape consequence for his actions that led to the little one being missing.

 

[Laocoon]

Dear Gitana1,
Thank you for explaining the intricacies of smaller charges vs. homicide.

I hope this case cracks open, and little Ara's faith becomes known.