CA CA - Baker, WhtFem Skeletal UP2590, 20-55, SK victim, in cesspool, Dec'81

[CarlK90245]

The Doe Network: Hot Case 1201 http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1201.html
NamUs UP2590 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2590

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Unidentified White Female

The victim was discovered on December 2, 1981 in Baker, San Bernardino County, California

Estimated Date of Death: Up to 14 Months
State of Remains: Partial Skeleton​

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 20-55 years old (NamUs); 40-55 (DoeNet)
Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 7"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown Hair (NamUs) Light brown/blonde hair. (DoeNet)
Dentals: Available; had fillings.
DNA: Available; CODIS.​

Case History

Per DoeNetwork:
The victim was located on December 2, 1981, near Highway 127 north of Baker. She is suspected to be a victim of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

The exact cause and date of death were unknown, but Lucas had previously described them and then led authorities to the area.

Per NamUs:
Decomposed remains found in cesspool, designated "Jane Doe #20-81.' Identity may only be established with dental X-rays (on file and see attached) and DNA (refer to CODIS #BK-05-000631). Possible comparison with "smiling photographs" or "talking video" (showing teeth).​

 

[CarlK90245]

Patricia DeMarco fits pretty closely to the description of the Jane Doe

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28355/0

	Patricia DeMarco	UP2590	Comparison
Age	45	20-55 (DoeNet); 40-55 (NamUs)	Within Range
Date LKA / Date of Discovery	29-May-81	02-Dec-81	6 months (PM Interval of "Months")
Loc LKA/ Loc of Discovery	Las Vegas, NV	Baker, CA	80 Miles
Hair	Blonde	Light Brown/Blonde (DoeNet); Brown (NamUs)	Consistent to DoeNetwork Description
Height	66 inches	67 inches	1-Inch discrepancy
Weight	135 lbs	130 lbs	5 pound discrepancy

 

[Tssiemer]

What's a cesspool?


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[FiveFelines]

What's a cesspool?


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It's like a manmade pit or container that holds sewage/wastewater.

 

[Tssiemer]

Ew.


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[CarlK90245]

Looking at the identifiers available for the UP and Patricia DeMarco, it looks like there are no common identifiers for the two cases. The UP has DNA and Dentals available (and no fingerprints); while Patricia only has fingerprints available (no DNA or dentals). It's going to be tough to get a rule-out or confirmation on these two cases.

 

[Melt71]

Are there any other ruleouts for this case (knowing that Patricia mentioned above is unlikely to be compared easily)?

I don't follow most SK cases closely. Did Lucas have a 'type' as the age range for this UID is so broad, could his (ugh) preferences at least narrow it down a bit for us?

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Are there any other ruleouts for this case (knowing that Patricia mentioned above is unlikely to be compared easily)?

I don't follow most SK cases closely. Did Lucas have a 'type' as the age range for this UID is so broad, could his (ugh) preferences at least narrow it down a bit for us?

The only ruleout is Janis Sanders, missing in 1975, from Michigan

 

[victoriarobinson642]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
I'm personally leaning towards Cynthia Jabour, missing in October of 1980 from Las Vegas. It would really help if we had a more narrow age range.

 

[Melt71]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
….It would really help if we had a more narrow age range.

Yes that's why I was wondering if he had a 'type' that he preferred as victims.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
I submitted Ann Victoria Narus as a match to this JD.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Ann Victoria Narus has been ruled out, via the DoeNetwork.

 

[HmmMysterious]

@CarlK90245, could this Jane Doe be this person? I'm thinking of submitting her. The age estimate is confusing though.

Christine May Gregg

The stats line up pretty well.

Age: 18
Disappeared: 1976
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'5-5'7
Weight: 120-145
Last seen: San Bernardino, California

 

[cheemsg]

Yes that's why I was wondering if he had a 'type' that he preferred as victims.

Well, essentially, he's no longer believed to be a serial killer. He killed his family and then confessed to a bunch of random unsolved murders to put off his death penalty. So there was no 'type'. Watch the doc 'The Confession Killer' which will explain it better.

 

[Caring1]

The Case History from the DoeNetwork posted by CarlK in 2016 states that Henry Lucas described her and then led authorities to the area where she was located.

Case History
Per DoeNetwork:
The victim was located on December 2, 1981, near Highway 127 north of Baker. She is suspected to be a victim of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

The exact cause and date of death were unknown, but Lucas had previously described them and then led authorities to the area.

Per NamUs:
Decomposed remains found in cesspool, designated "Jane Doe #20-81.' Identity may only be established with dental X-rays (on file and see attached) and DNA (refer to CODIS #BK-05-000631). Possible comparison with "smiling photographs" or "talking video" (showing teeth).

 

[cheemsg]

The Case History from the DoeNetwork posted by CarlK in 2016 states that Henry Lucas described her and then led authorities to the area where she was located.

Case History
Per DoeNetwork:
The victim was located on December 2, 1981, near Highway 127 north of Baker. She is suspected to be a victim of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

The exact cause and date of death were unknown, but Lucas had previously described them and then led authorities to the area.

Per NamUs:
Decomposed remains found in cesspool, designated "Jane Doe #20-81.' Identity may only be established with dental X-rays (on file and see attached) and DNA (refer to CODIS #BK-05-000631). Possible comparison with "smiling photographs" or "talking video" (showing teeth).

http://coldcasecameron.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lucas-Report-1986.pdf
This is the official report of all the killings he confessed to vs their credibility.
It mentions this Jane Doe and they don't believe its credible because he was proven to be in Florida when her death likely occurred.

 

[Caring1]

If JD PMI was up to 14 months, that could date her death as far back as October 1980.

Lucas was confirmed to have sold a vehicle in Del Rio TX the first week of June 1981. Then he hopped a train en route to CA but reportedly only made it as far as Tucson, AZ.

This is the opportune timeframe here somewhere in the first week of June and maybe even including the 8th. Documented citation in Tucson on 6/9. Blood bank visits in Del Rio TX and Houston, then New Orleans on the 16th.

Possibly back in Jacksonville FL on the 19th but not actually confirmed back in FL until 6/21/81.

I agree that several grisly murders were presumed to be committed by Lucas or believed that he was present or an accomplice. Unless he is linked by DNA, the truth may never be known.

 

[cheemsg]

If JD PMI was up to 14 months, that could date her death as far back as October 1980.

Lucas was confirmed to have sold a vehicle in Del Rio TX the first week of June 1981. Then he hopped a train en route to CA but reportedly only made it as far as Tucson, AZ.

This is the opportune timeframe here somewhere in the first week of June and maybe even including the 8th. Documented citation in Tucson on 6/9. Blood bank visits in Del Rio TX and Houston, then New Orleans on the 16th.

Possibly back in Jacksonville FL on the 19th but not actually confirmed back in FL until 6/21/81.

I agree that several grisly murders were presumed to be committed by Lucas or believed that he was present or an accomplice. Unless he is linked by DNA, the truth may never be known.

IMO its a stretch. And there's no source of him leading the investigators to the remains other than the doe network and imo they've dropped the ball a few times when it comes to facts.
Literally the document has his entire whereabouts from 1971 and its by official investigators, so if they say they dont think its credible, its probably not credible. I'd take the word of the people who actually worked on this case for years over a volunteer-ran website.

 

[HopeRains]

I'm not 100% clear this article is in reference to the Jane Doe, but I do believe it is.

The San Bernadino County Sun, 6 Dec 81, pg 40