CA - Bakersfield 3: Disappearance of Baylee Despot & murders of James Kulstad & Micah Holsonbake #2

[Mamamerced]

I have been on WS since early Feb, 2014 and must say this is one of the best sleuthing groups I've seen. You folks are seriously good, in sleuthing, cooperation and concern. I am impressed.

 

[Sugarcane18]

Uh it won’t let me edit my last post but I meant to say *anti-sex trafficking organization* horrible mistake.

Yes, it's called Thorn. I don't think they do investigations (I could be wrong) but they helped getting backpage.com shut down. It's my understanding that they help with the electronic side of human trafficking.

 

[bakersfield3]

Going back to BD and possible locations and taking into consideration the illegal operations surrounding all 3, and using the think like a criminal to catch a criminal mindset, I'm not convinced she's nearby. The people involved in these operations are driven by money. It would seem if BD was indeed pregnant, that she would be kept alive so the baby could be sold on the black market. I know it's a grim thought, but given that she hasn't turned up I think it's very possible.

Criminals don't take into consideration if a person is pregnant or not when deciding they are going to kill them we just found that out in Colorado in the Chris Watts case where he dumped his pregnant wife at a oil work site and killed his two children. Your theory is a little out there.

 

[Bsc87bsc]

Criminals don't take into consideration if a person is pregnant or not when deciding they are going to kill them we just found that out in Colorado in the Chris Watts case where he dumped his pregnant wife at a oil work site and killed his two children. Your theory is a little out there.

Where did this pregnancy rumor come from exactly? I’ve only heard mq say she miscarried?

 

[Sugarcane18]

Criminals don't take into consideration if a person is pregnant or not when deciding they are going to kill them we just found that out in Colorado in the Chris Watts case where he dumped his pregnant wife at a oil work site and killed his two children. Your theory is a little out there.

You're right, Chris Watts is a terrible monster who didn't care that his wife was pregnant. I'm sorry it appears that this theory is out there but unfortunately illegal adoption rings exist. With the human trafficking, gun running, and drug dealing involved in the Bakersfield 3 I personally don't think it would be that far of a stretch.

 

[bakersfield3]

You're right, Chris Watts is a terrible monster who didn't care that his wife was pregnant. I'm sorry it appears that this theory is out there but unfortunately illegal adoption rings exist. With the human trafficking, gun running, and drug dealing involved in the Bakersfield 3 I personally don't think it would be that far of a stretch.

A pretty far stretch because you have no factual evidence to base that poart of your theory. Yes, MH was concerned about the human trafficking aspect. Yes, there was flyers posted around town with BD's missing information and human trafficking not placed there by her Mom. Yes there is gun running and drugs somewhat involved in the three cases. But no where is there any mention of an illegal adoption ring so if you can prove that portion of your theory with some factual information that would be great on you.

 

[Mamamerced]

I don't think theories need factual evidence. That is not a requirement on WS. These members are all volunteers who are trying their best, with few facts given, to help figure out what is going on in Bakersfield. I doubt you meant to be rude but it came across that way to me, at least.

 

[bakersfield3]

I don't think theories need factual evidence. That is not a requirement on WS. These members are all volunteers who are trying their best, with few facts given, to help figure out what is going on in Bakersfield. I doubt you meant to be rude but it came across that way to me, at least.

Posting full names in a thread that have not been identified as a suspect is not a requirement either, but people still do it. I'm far from being rude here just stating a opinion, just like the user stated their opinion. Nothing wrong with asking people to provide factual information about their theory here. I know enough about all three cases to know when were on the bulls eye or if were going down a rabbit hole. We could sit here and debate all facets of this case, but without factual information you don't win debates. As I stated previously there is nothing on our radar that has anything remotely to do with illegal adoption ring I stand by that statement as an Insider.

 

[MrsWells]

Posting full names in a thread that have not been identified as a suspect is not a requirement either, but people still do it. I'm far from being rude here just stating a opinion, just like the user stated their opinion. Nothing wrong with asking people to provide factual information about their theory here. I know enough about all three cases to know when were on the bulls eye or if were going down a rabbit hole. We could sit here and debate all facets of this case, but without factual information you don't win debates. As I stated previously there is nothing on our radar that has anything remotely to do with illegal adoption ring I stand by that statement as an Insider.

Throwing out theories and possibilities, no matter how far fetched, is a large part of what this place is about. Sleuthing is taking the many possibilities and attempting to prove or disprove them with what IS available to us.

A few of us have made mistakes and posted things we've seen posted here before, but were not deleted - so there's a bit of a learning curve, and I apologize for my own recent mistakes. Nobody wants the thread to be shut down, though - in fact, I think we all want the same thing. That's why we're here.

Maybe just tell us it's a rabbit hole when there's something that we're way off base on and may end up wasting time with? That was very effective in the past.

 

[Andreee]

Uh it won’t let me edit my last post but I meant to say *anti-sex trafficking organization* horrible mistake.

I just read that and thought, wow, i didn't know that. Glad to hear its a mistake. Can't it be edited now or some way removed.

 

[bakersfield3]

Throwing out theories and possibilities, no matter how far fetched, is a large part of what this place is about. Sleuthing is taking the many possibilities and attempting to prove or disprove them with what IS available to us.

A few of us have made mistakes and posted things we've seen posted here before, but were not deleted - so there's a bit of a learning curve, and I apologize for my own recent mistakes. Nobody wants the thread to be shut down, though - in fact, I think we all want the same thing. That's why we're here.

Maybe just tell us it's a rabbit hole when there's something that we're way off base on and may end up wasting time with? That was very effective in the past.

There would be a lot of rabbit hole statements!

 

[MrsWells]

There would be a lot of rabbit hole statements!

This is true...I'll certainly give you that!

I don't mean for you to have to throw up a wall for each and every statement we make that's a little off, but when you do log on and notice we're off on another one and are getting further and further away from reality, maybe just a quick bonk upside the head?

People are sharing theories that are swimming around in their heads and they're being dared or challenged to cough up evidence in order to prove them, as if they're asserting them as fact. They aren't, though - it's more of a "what if?" sort of thing.

We don't know what we don't know...ya know?

 

[MrsWells]

Has anyone ever looked into an individual with the initials TL?

 

[Bsc87bsc]

Posting full names in a thread that have not been identified as a suspect is not a requirement either, but people still do it. I'm far from being rude here just stating a opinion, just like the user stated their opinion. Nothing wrong with asking people to provide factual information about their theory here. I know enough about all three cases to know when were on the bulls eye or if were going down a rabbit hole. We could sit here and debate all facets of this case, but without factual information you don't win debates. As I stated previously there is nothing on our radar that has anything remotely to do with illegal adoption ring I stand by that statement as an Insider.

No one has been named as a suspect, correct? It seems you (the families) think you know The Who what when where why of this case- I’m just curious if the police think your theories are correct? And if they do, are they just building a case? Because if they are no matter how much time and effort we all put into this thread it’s all things you and the police already know. Soooo...what’s the point you know?

 

[brunetteiq]

I think it’s safe to say we are basically “brainstorming” ideas. For instance, one was saying the river looked really calm. Of course all the locals chimed in about the Killer Kern. Everything we basically say is not factual. Hell, most of us aren’t insiders and have no idea what’s factual just expressing our views with the limited, vague and cryptic information we receive.

 

[bakersfield3]

No one has been named as a suspect, correct? It seems you (the families) think you know The Who what when where why of this case- I’m just curious if the police think your theories are correct? And if they do, are they just building a case? Because if they are no matter how much time and effort we all put into this thread it’s all things you and the police already know. Soooo...what’s the point you know?

Do you really think I would discuss what LE and the families have talked about? Or do you think it's smart to discuss intimate details of the case publicy? I shouldn't have to post this comment it's a no brainer and not smart at all. What is the point? Ask yourself the question? That's like saying what is the point of creating multiple fake profiles or to assume the identitity of someone you aren't posting on these threads or other social media websites what's the point sounds like a whole lot of nonsense if you ask me or is it someone trying to cover up the truth...

 

[Sugarcane18]

A pretty far stretch because you have no factual evidence to base that poart of your theory. Yes, MH was concerned about the human trafficking aspect. Yes, there was flyers posted around town with BD's missing information and human trafficking not placed there by her Mom. Yes there is gun running and drugs somewhat involved in the three cases. But no where is there any mention of an illegal adoption ring so if you can prove that portion of your theory with some factual information that would be great on you.

I understand where you're coming from. I think the problem we are having here is what you just said. You're an insider, as you put it. By default, you know more than us. You know things you can't divulge. However, we have no idea what those things are. Of course I don't have any factual evidence of an illegal adoption ring, that's because I'm not involved in any crime underworld. I'm simply a mother with children of my own, living in this town, and utterly horrified that something so gruesome as this case has taken place here in a town where I was born and raised. My heart breaks for your families, I can't imagine the pain the anger you must feel.

A theory is just a theory until it can be proven or disproven. In no way shape or form am I trying to throw jello to the wall to see what sticks. I simply suggested a possibility that we, the not insiders, don't have knowledge of it not being a possibility. Perhaps you have knowledge that it's not a possibility? If so, it would seem safe to share that with us. You said you know enough to know when we're coming down a rabbit hole, keep in mind that we don't know what you know. To be truthful, the entirety of the info available to usseems like one giant rabbit hole.

If we need facts to discuss theoretical possibilities then I am wasting my time on this discussion. I also don't recall posting anyone's full name so that's not a mistake I made, for clarification, in case that was directed toward me.

Again, I don't mean to be misleading. But with the little information available to us, I'm simply saying I don't rule out the possibility.

Edited to add: I just saw that you said nothing on your radar points toward this. Thank you for sharing that with us. Maybe you could have lead with that? Like someone said earlier, we don't know what we don't know.

 

[MrsWells]

Do you really think I would discuss what LE and the families have talked about? Or do you think it's smart to discuss intimate details of the case publicy? I shouldn't have to post this comment it's a no brainer and not smart at all. What is the point? Ask yourself the question? That's like saying what is the point of creating multiple fake profiles or to assume the identitity of someone you aren't posting on these threads or other social media websites what's the point sounds like a whole lot of nonsense if you ask me or is it someone trying to cover up the truth...

The point of fake profiles for many of us is that a majority of the posters on this thread are locals, and since we're posting on a public forum about murders in our town for which nobody has been arrested, it's probably wise.

 

[brunetteiq]

Do you really think I would discuss what LE and the families have talked about? Or do you think it's smart to discuss intimate details of the case publicy? I shouldn't have to post this comment it's a no brainer and not smart at all. What is the point? Ask yourself the question? That's like saying what is the point of creating multiple fake profiles or to assume the identitity of someone you aren't posting on these threads or other social media websites what's the point sounds like a whole lot of nonsense if you ask me or is it someone trying to cover up the truth...

I think when the member said “What’s the point?” They are feeling defeated. We all agree that you as an insider know the “factual” items. Of course we don’t expect you to publicly discuss the confidential information regarding the case. The rare times you comment, it’s to slam peoples theories based on the minimal facts we know.....

 

[Bsc87bsc]

Do you really think I would discuss what LE and the families have talked about? Or do you think it's smart to discuss intimate details of the case publicy? I shouldn't have to post this comment it's a no brainer and not smart at all. What is the point? Ask yourself the question? That's like saying what is the point of creating multiple fake profiles or to assume the identitity of someone you aren't posting on these threads or other social media websites what's the point sounds like a whole lot of nonsense if you ask me or is it someone trying to cover up the truth...

No, I don’t think you would. But I thought youd at least let us know if we are wasting our time and energy here