CA - Bakersfield 3: Disappearance of Baylee Despot & murders of James Kulstad & Micah Holsonbake #2

[Jetta02]

Has anyone found out anything about online gambling or any other gambling connections?
Is is true that some bookies will pay out in cash or sex w girls?
Has anyone ever heard blue coin or other code names for gaming .
It's hard not to think of gambling w bookie and I don't know how much this has been explored?

I have read Bakersfield has/had a business that uses "Shamrock Coins". My understanding is that the shamrock coins are a new type of virtual currency like Bitcoin. These coins are redeemable for cash.

 

[ChasingAmy]

I agree with you on the bolded. I’ve just assumed that the chart consists of the players they know are involved and where they fit in relation to one another. I do agree that the actual “boss” is higher up, and I believe that the chart isn’t necessarily representative of the entire operation.

Agreed. I just think this chart isn’t very accurate. I know they can only operate off of the information they have, and what the parents have given them. Not sure the extent of knowledge Dr. Phil has compared to LEO. I feel like there is major major gang affiliation going on with this case. With MH being on the east side so much, the manner in which his arm was discovered, H(not sure if he is involved in gangs but it’s a possibility. The guns, the trafficking rumors, the drugs, the fact that these Hispanic gangs are absolutely intertwined with middle class Bakersfield, have been for years. I had seen that someone mentioned “these groups don’t mix in Bakersfield.” That is 110% FALSE. They’ve been mixing for the last 10-15 years minimum. It’s inevtible with the KHSD bussing in kids from the east side to Rosedale/SW to improve integration and diversity. These gangs know they can take advantage of white middle class kids with designer drugs. MS13, Surrenos, Nortenos Bakers, Colonias, La Eme(Mexican Mafia) all operate in this town. (There are more but those are the mains) I mean, the guy who started the MM is buried here in town. Considering white gangs and African American gangs are not known to typically dismember people, I think having a burnout white guy like MQ as the main point of focus might be off base. (This is theory) I believe he is involved somehow but he is no way a person of power. I think he’s moreso deeply involved in something that he has to play along with, because he knows he will be killed.

The thing with Mexican gangs is this: they typically don’t murder females, nor will they murder someone if his family is around. They will wait until he’s alone. Most likely following him. With him (according to the word of mouth I’ve heard) being last seen by a male at 3am near KMC, that likely would have been the time they made their move. These gangs have an immense amount of pride and truly believe in killing someone honorably(not with family, not murdering women specifically)

They all however are heavily involved in human trafficking. My theory is this is what happened with BD. The one “positive” one could take from this notion is that there is a chance she is alive somewhere. If the gang didn’t have anything to do with her disappearance, I think MQ has to be suspect #1 in her disappearance, or this mysterious ex bf who she had a restraining order against. How has his identity not been revealed? That leads me to think that LE isn’t saying anything about him because he’s suspect #1 at this point. I think MH made a mistake somewhere, or someone ripped him off and he took the punishment. Unfortunately that’s how these people operate. They don’t care who ripped MH off as MH was seen as responsible for money/product. With these gangs it’s all about principle and loyalty. MQ could absolutely be involved with these gangs as he’s been running guns for over 20 years, with a rap sheet that spans across the United States. But again, highly unlikely he’s anything more than an errand boy to these gangs. And, these gangs wouldn’t need MQ to find guns as they are highly connected to cartels in LA and Mexico.

 

[ChasingAmy]

Has the possibility of biker gangs being responsible been discussed? Recently, as in 2-3 weeks ago, a prospect for the Hells Angels was murdered in downtown Bakersfield, same age as MH, lots of mutual friends. Hells Angels have been at war with the Mongols here for awhile. Mongols are primarily Hispanic with whites mixed in.

 

[Speak truth]

Has the possibility of biker gangs being responsible been discussed? Recently, as in 2-3 weeks ago, a prospect for the Hells Angels was murdered in downtown Bakersfield, same age as MH, lots of mutual friends. Hells Angels have been at war with the Mongols here for awhile. Mongols are primarily Hispanic with whites mixed in.

I do not know how much we have discussed this guy.
MM or nickname MS*****
Do you know a lot about him? I have heard he was connected but again I do not remember how much this has been discussed.
He has was a prospect right?

 

[ChasingAmy]

I do not know how much we have discussed this guy.
MM or nickname MS*****
Do you know a lot about him? I have heard he was connected but again I do not remember how much this has been discussed.
He has was a prospect right?

Yes. Prospect. Tons of mutual friends with MH. Not sure about BD but I would bet money on it. Don’t know a lot about him, but I can work on that.

 

[ChasingAmy]

Talked to a friend with knowledge of the situation, not related at all. Mutual friends is just a product of being 25-30 in Bakersfield with roots in rosedale. This just reiterates the fact that mutual friends doesn’t always mean they are linked. This is a small town. Correlation does not equal causation in this case.

 

[MrsWells]

Agreed. I just think this chart isn’t very accurate. I know they can only operate off of the information they have, and what the parents have given them. Not sure the extent of knowledge Dr. Phil has compared to LEO. I feel like there is major major gang affiliation going on with this case. With MH being on the east side so much, the manner in which his arm was discovered, H(not sure if he is involved in gangs but it’s a possibility. The guns, the trafficking rumors, the drugs, the fact that these Hispanic gangs are absolutely intertwined with middle class Bakersfield, have been for years. I had seen that someone mentioned “these groups don’t mix in Bakersfield.” That is 110% FALSE. They’ve been mixing for the last 10-15 years minimum. It’s inevtible with the KHSD bussing in kids from the east side to Rosedale/SW to improve integration and diversity. These gangs know they can take advantage of white middle class kids with designer drugs. MS13, Surrenos, Nortenos Bakers, Colonias, La Eme(Mexican Mafia) all operate in this town. (There are more but those are the mains) I mean, the guy who started the MM is buried here in town. Considering white gangs and African American gangs are not known to typically dismember people, I think having a burnout white guy like MQ as the main point of focus might be off base. (This is theory) I believe he is involved somehow but he is no way a person of power. I think he’s moreso deeply involved in something that he has to play along with, because he knows he will be killed.

The thing with Mexican gangs is this: they typically don’t murder females, nor will they murder someone if his family is around. They will wait until he’s alone. Most likely following him. With him (according to the word of mouth I’ve heard) being last seen by a male at 3am near KMC, that likely would have been the time they made their move. These gangs have an immense amount of pride and truly believe in killing someone honorably(not with family, not murdering women specifically)

They all however are heavily involved in human trafficking. My theory is this is what happened with BD. The one “positive” one could take from this notion is that there is a chance she is alive somewhere. If the gang didn’t have anything to do with her disappearance, I think MQ has to be suspect #1 in her disappearance, or this mysterious ex bf who she had a restraining order against. How has his identity not been revealed? That leads me to think that LE isn’t saying anything about him because he’s suspect #1 at this point. I think MH made a mistake somewhere, or someone ripped him off and he took the punishment. Unfortunately that’s how these people operate. They don’t care who ripped MH off as MH was seen as responsible for money/product. With these gangs it’s all about principle and loyalty. MQ could absolutely be involved with these gangs as he’s been running guns for over 20 years, with a rap sheet that spans across the United States. But again, highly unlikely he’s anything more than an errand boy to these gangs. And, these gangs wouldn’t need MQ to find guns as they are highly connected to cartels in LA and Mexico.

I don't necessarily think the chart is inaccurate, I just think it doesn't include all involved. Nobody claimed it did, though. I believe it's just an illustration of the known connections within these overlapping circles.

 

[Bsc87bsc]

Agreed. I just think this chart isn’t very accurate. I know they can only operate off of the information they have, and what the parents have given them. Not sure the extent of knowledge Dr. Phil has compared to LEO. I feel like there is major major gang affiliation going on with this case. With MH being on the east side so much, the manner in which his arm was discovered, H(not sure if he is involved in gangs but it’s a possibility. The guns, the trafficking rumors, the drugs, the fact that these Hispanic gangs are absolutely intertwined with middle class Bakersfield, have been for years. I had seen that someone mentioned “these groups don’t mix in Bakersfield.” That is 110% FALSE. They’ve been mixing for the last 10-15 years minimum. It’s inevtible with the KHSD bussing in kids from the east side to Rosedale/SW to improve integration and diversity. These gangs know they can take advantage of white middle class kids with designer drugs. MS13, Surrenos, Nortenos Bakers, Colonias, La Eme(Mexican Mafia) all operate in this town. (There are more but those are the mains) I mean, the guy who started the MM is buried here in town. Considering white gangs and African American gangs are not known to typically dismember people, I think having a burnout white guy like MQ as the main point of focus might be off base. (This is theory) I believe he is involved somehow but he is no way a person of power. I think he’s moreso deeply involved in something that he has to play along with, because he knows he will be killed.

The thing with Mexican gangs is this: they typically don’t murder females, nor will they murder someone if his family is around. They will wait until he’s alone. Most likely following him. With him (according to the word of mouth I’ve heard) being last seen by a male at 3am near KMC, that likely would have been the time they made their move. These gangs have an immense amount of pride and truly believe in killing someone honorably(not with family, not murdering women specifically)

They all however are heavily involved in human trafficking. My theory is this is what happened with BD. The one “positive” one could take from this notion is that there is a chance she is alive somewhere. If the gang didn’t have anything to do with her disappearance, I think MQ has to be suspect #1 in her disappearance, or this mysterious ex bf who she had a restraining order against. How has his identity not been revealed? That leads me to think that LE isn’t saying anything about him because he’s suspect #1 at this point. I think MH made a mistake somewhere, or someone ripped him off and he took the punishment. Unfortunately that’s how these people operate. They don’t care who ripped MH off as MH was seen as responsible for money/product. With these gangs it’s all about principle and loyalty. MQ could absolutely be involved with these gangs as he’s been running guns for over 20 years, with a rap sheet that spans across the United States. But again, highly unlikely he’s anything more than an errand boy to these gangs. And, these gangs wouldn’t need MQ to find guns as they are highly connected to cartels in LA and Mexico.

I was the one that said gangs don’t mix here and that’s just coming from my experience living in east side Bakersfield 25 years and having seen the drug scene thwre

 

[ChasingAmy]

I was the one that said gangs don’t mix here and that’s just coming from my experience living in east side Bakersfield 25 years and having seen the drug scene thwre

You’re right in saying gangs don’t mix with each other. They typically don’t. But gangs absolutely mix with the crowd on the west side of town. And a lot of hardcore bangers come here from LA to escape or expand their business. It’s easy for them to integrate with kids that fit MH profile because he was a well liked, sociable person with many connections in a community where drugs are very very prevalent/common.

I really don’t know where JK plays into the MH and BD connection. My feeling is they arent connected at all. Other than having mutual friends. As much as we would all like them to be. But I also am only operating on word of mouth which is not always reliable and I’m sure LE has a ton of information that isn’t being shopped around. So my theory is likely way off base.

My mistake for misinterpreting what you were saying. Didn’t mean to muddle the pond.

 

[MrsWells]

Talked to a friend with knowledge of the situation, not related at all. Mutual friends is just a product of being 25-30 in Bakersfield with roots in rosedale. This just reiterates the fact that mutual friends doesn’t always mean they are linked. This is a small town. Correlation does not equal causation in this case.

This town is not that small - in fact, people often say what a "small big town" it is, in the sense that everyone knows everyone, even with a population not far from half a million people. SM has illustrated that fact for me. I'm blown away daily when I see the connections between people I never would have guessed know one another, from totally different walks of life - differing economic classes, social classes, ethnic backgrounds, you name it.

 

[Bsc87bsc]

You’re right in saying gangs don’t mix with each other. They typically don’t. But gangs absolutely mix with the crowd on the west side of town. And a lot of hardcore bangers come here from LA to escape or expand their business. It’s easy for them to integrate with kids that fit MH profile because he was a well liked, sociable person with many connections in a community where drugs are very very prevalent/common.

My mistake for misinterpreting what you were saying. Didn’t mean to muddle the pond.

No worries- I’m intrigued by your perspectives

 

[MrsWells]

You’re right in saying gangs don’t mix with each other. They typically don’t. But gangs absolutely mix with the crowd on the west side of town. And a lot of hardcore bangers come here from LA to escape or expand their business. It’s easy for them to integrate with kids that fit MH profile because he was a well liked, sociable person with many connections in a community where drugs are very very prevalent/common.

My mistake for misinterpreting what you were saying. Didn’t mean to muddle the pond.

I totally agree on the bolded.

 

[ChasingAmy]

This town is not that small - in fact, people often say what a "small big town" it is, in the sense that everyone knows everyone, even with a population not far from half a million people. SM has illustrated that fact for me. I'm blown away daily when I see the connections between people I never would have guessed know one another, from totally different walks of life - differing economic classes, social classes, ethnic backgrounds, you name it.

That’s exactly what I mean. Yes, literally it’s a big town, but in retrospect, everybody knows everybody. My demographic 25-35 is very well connected as far as Rosedale goes. Social media just enhances that. I have best friends of 10+ years who were also friends with MH and BD, yet I never met either of them. I have another friend who was friends with all 3 on SM but said that “they don’t know how they know them. Or if they’ve ever met.”

 

[ChasingAmy]

Is there anybody with a screenshot of JF(H) social media or picture they could DM? I don’t have social media so not able to research that. I want to make sure we’re all talking about the same person. Disregard if this is inappropriate.

Also, have the initials JC ever been discussed here? Same age as MH, maybe a year younger.

 

[MrsWells]

That’s exactly what I mean. Yes, literally it’s a big town, but in retrospect, everybody knows everybody. My demographic 25-35 is very well connected as far as Rosedale goes. Social media just enhances that. I have best friends of 10+ years who were also friends with MH and BD, yet I never met either of them. I have another friend who was friends with all 3 on SM but said that “they don’t know how they know them. Or if they’ve ever met.”

Yeah, I'm sure that happens often. I know that your generation's SM profiles almost always contain numerous "friends" that are added merely due to name recognition, or common friends. Some older SM users are the same way, depending on the type of work they do and how they use SM in general.

 

[ChasingAmy]

Yeah, I'm sure that happens often. I know that your generation's SM profiles almost always contain numerous "friends" that are added merely due to name recognition, or common friends. Some older SM users are the same way, depending on the type of work they do and how they use SM in general.

Facts. I was curious about the connection to MM. a friend said no connection but after asking a friend to check H Facebook, I noticed he has a picture on there with someone who I know was good friends with MM. but according to some who saw what happened downtown, MM was ambushed by a group of rival bikers. It’s so hard to say from an outsiders perspective and really it all starts to complicate things.

 

[MrsWells]

Facts. I was curious about the connection to MM. a friend said no connection but after asking a friend to check H Facebook, I noticed he has a picture on there with someone who I know was good friends with MM. but according to some who saw what happened downtown, MM was ambushed by a group of rival bikers. It’s so hard to say from an outsiders perspective and really it all starts to complicate things.

This just proves that the case won't be solved by SM connections alone. I'm sure LE has much more than that.

 

[ChasingAmy]

This just proves that the case won't be solved by SM connections alone. I'm sure LE has much more than that.

Oh for sure. LE never shows their full hand. They need people to think the trails are cold. People are being questioned as we speak. I think SM connections do help, and serve a purpose. But they also have the potential to sidetrack or distract. It comes down to investigators doing the leg work and being out in the streets talking to people. The biggest issue is, a lot of kids don’t trust LE. It’s a different generation.

 

[MrsWells]

I need to pick everyone's brain on something. I apologize for the sensitive nature of my question.

In regard to Micah's case, I had kept in the back of my mind that it's entirely possible that someone simply robbed and killed him, considering where he was last seen. That's definitely not unheard of in that area.

Of course, his arm turning up in the river changed things completely. What I'm now wondering is whether it was placed in the river to send a message, or if it was just a poor attempt to dispose of evidence. If I was trying to hide evidence so that it would never be found, I certainly wouldn't preserve it in a duffel bag. Since there have not yet been more remains found, at this point I'm wondering if he wasn't completely dismembered, but they instead severed and used the one body part to reveal to the world that he is dead - and to send a more specific message to someone else, such as a threat.

There may be info I'm missing that debunks this theory, so I'm asking for clarification.

 

[Bsc87bsc]

I need to pick everyone's brain on something. I apologize for the sensitive nature of my question.

In regard to Micah's case, I had kept in the back of my mind that it's entirely possible that someone simply robbed and killed him, considering where he was last seen. That's definitely not unheard of in that area.

Of course, his arm turning up in the river changed things completely. What I'm now wondering is whether it was placed in the river to send a message, or if it was just a poor attempt to dispose of evidence. If I was trying to hide evidence so that it would never be found, I certainly wouldn't preserve it in a duffel bag. Since there have not yet been more remains found, at this point I'm wondering if he wasn't completely dismembered, but they instead severed and used the one body part to reveal to the world that he is dead - and to send a more specific message to someone else, such as a threat.

There may be info I'm missing that debunks this theory, so I'm asking for clarification.

My understanding is there were rocks in the duffle bag, making me think it was an attempt to conceal. Also he had easily identifiable tattoos on both arms- I’ve always thought that is why he was dismembered