CA - Bakersfield 3: Disappearance of Baylee Despot & murders of James Kulstad & Micah Holsonbake #2

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  • #421
What does WB have to do with MH last sighting? I don’t think it’s ever been stated that he was seen there in the days leading up to his disappearance.
WB doesn’t have anything to do with Micah, I was pointing out people were talking about WB and it took me a while to figure it out. During the Phil interview they flash last bar Micah was seen caring erratic. I think I figured it out - Silver Fox. They also mention the hotel he stayed at - just trying to figure it out. I’ll upload photos of pics aired on Dr. Phil.
 

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I have always found this spot - the crosswalk at Mt Vernon and Flower interesting. It is so close to Palm and Quincy where the MC bust is.
Just an observation.
 

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I have always found this spot - the crosswalk at Mt Vernon and Flower interesting. It is so close to Palm and Quincy where the MC bust is.
Just an observation.

I agree, the proximity to MC’s house has always sent up red flags in my mind.
 
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I saved the picture on crosswalk sight
 

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I saved the picture on crosswalk sight
Does your screen shot say PM. I had always had thought I heard A.M.
Is this screen shot around the last time his mom dropped him off.. the dumpster, I believe, is at the corner so I would like to confirm that the last time Micah was seen in the crosswalk in the late hours of morning like 3 am.
OR again is this screen shot when his mom dropped him of around 3 PM.
 

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I really think there are more players already in custody than we think - not for crimes against the three victims, but for crimes that were uncovered as a result of this case.

I do hope that’s the case, since these guys (and some gals) are all over the country - and Lord knows they have a generous supply of false identities.

Someone is bound to slip up - in fact, I’m betting they already have.
 
  • #428
Was anybody aware that SW was arrested or cited by Bakersfield Police Department 2 days before BD was last seen? The kern county criminal record site turned up nothing but a deep google search found an arrest record for April 23, 2018(near Half Moon Bay Dr.) and she was hit with: Conspiracy to commit a crime, non-sufficient funds/checks, theft of access card, receiving or concealing stolen property, and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Also arrested in cook county Illinois June 2017 but no information available on that. I found this which could be absolutely nothing but it struck me as odd..Other items for sale include a male hand holding items related to GPS and tracking. https://us.letgo.com/en/i/three-black-electronic-device_78014924-4d2d-460c-bcca-b327e5b1089d
 
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Was anybody aware that SW was arrested or cited by Bakersfield Police Department 2 days before BD was last seen? The kern county criminal record site turned up nothing but a deep google search found an arrest record for April 23, 2018(near Half Moon Bay Dr.) and she was hit with: Conspiracy to commit a crime, non-sufficient funds/checks, theft of access card, receiving or concealing stolen property, and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Also arrested in cook county Illinois June 2017 but no information available on that. I found this which could be absolutely nothing but it struck me as odd..Other items for sale include a male hand holding items related to GPS and tracking. https://us.letgo.com/en/i/three-black-electronic-device_78014924-4d2d-460c-bcca-b327e5b1089d
Yes, according to mq she went to rehab following the arrest in 2018. Her “friend” said she was working as a prostitute in Chicago so the Illinois arrest is interesting. And there are multiple weird things she was selling awhile back that were very odd
 
  • #430
Yes, according to mq she went to rehab following the arrest in 2018. Her “friend” said she was working as a prostitute in Chicago so the Illinois arrest is interesting. And there are multiple weird things she was selling awhile back that were very odd

I had heard the part about prostitution in Chicago, as well. I hope she did go to rehab, for her baby's sake as well as her own.
 
  • #431
Does your screen shot say PM. I had always had thought I heard A.M.
Is this screen shot around the last time his mom dropped him off.. the dumpster, I believe, is at the corner so I would like to confirm that the last time Micah was seen in the crosswalk in the late hours of morning like 3 am.
OR again is this screen shot when his mom dropped him of around 3 PM.
No, the screenshot says 2:56 pm last time Micah was seen by friends in crosswalk
 
  • #432
I’m beginning to think the MQ/SW angle is just distracting from the truth. I do believe MQ has far more information than the public knows, and I’m sure LE has/is doing their due diligence on him. But I feel like if anything was concrete, they’d have been arrested already. I am beginning to wonder though if a bigger agency like the ATF or FBI are working undercover to infiltrate this gun manufacturing ring, and this is impeding the BPD murder investigation. This happens a lot as those agencies see these rings as being a bigger issue and a swift pickup of MQ could jeopardize their investigation. I really hope that’s not the case, but our government operates like that. Especially if it is a multi-year operation.

The biker angle intrigues me, with JF being known associates of 2 men murdered in less than a year, MH and MM(Smash). But even still that could just be coincidental considering the social group and age demographic we are looking at. MH father mentioning bikers was interesting, but it didn’t sound like he was buying into that very much. With MM possibly being an inside job, and Hells Angels knowingly being involved with gun manufacturing, drugs, and sex trafficking, it just kind of clouds everything in my opinion. Lots of grey area with these happenings. There was another murder around this time of a kid that was found burned near Arvin. He had connections with the HA and had mentioned to friends about being involved with the Russian mafia, which also operates in this town. I don’t want to cloud the waters further by suggesting that’s a part of this. I don’t think it is, to be honest. But the longer this goes on, and the more I read about it, hear about it, the stranger it gets. At this point I’m just interested in BDs story. Probably because her disappearance is such a mystery. And, there’s always a slim hope she’s out there somewhere. And somebody knows exactly where she’s at or what happened to her.

I found it interesting that there was a sheriffs office warrant in JUNE that stated MQ MH BD were being investigated for manufacturing. Does anybody else think it’s possible that there is someone on the inside that tipped MQ or someone else off to that? This town isn’t exactly free of corruption. And being so conservative, our LE doesn’t give a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 about keeping people safe. “One less drug addict on the street” is absolutely their mentality. Not at all saying they don’t care about these 3 and are not working tirelessly to find BD and MH. There are good cops out there who believe in justice. And I don’t want to introduce a new theory of corruption/cover up, that would only distract from what we’re talking about here. I just don’t believe anything can be ruled out at this point.

@bakersfield3 i know you have to be tight lipped as this is a very active investigation, but without revealing anything, is it possible for you to acknowledge that BPD are actively targeting select individuals? Don’t need initials, names, nothing like that. Even vaguely, can you say that there are very likely person(s) of interest?
 
  • #433
I’m beginning to think the MQ/SW angle is just distracting from the truth. I do believe MQ has far more information than the public knows, and I’m sure LE has/is doing their due diligence on him. But I feel like if anything was concrete, they’d have been arrested already. I am beginning to wonder though if a bigger agency like the ATF or FBI are working undercover to infiltrate this gun manufacturing ring, and this is impeding the BPD murder investigation. This happens a lot as those agencies see these rings as being a bigger issue and a swift pickup of MQ could jeopardize their investigation. I really hope that’s not the case, but our government operates like that. Especially if it is a multi-year operation.

The biker angle intrigues me, with JF being known associates of 2 men murdered in less than a year, MH and MM(Smash). But even still that could just be coincidental considering the social group and age demographic we are looking at. MH father mentioning bikers was interesting, but it didn’t sound like he was buying into that very much. With MM possibly being an inside job, and Hells Angels knowingly being involved with gun manufacturing, drugs, and sex trafficking, it just kind of clouds everything in my opinion. Lots of grey area with these happenings. There was another murder around this time of a kid that was found burned near Arvin. He had connections with the HA and had mentioned to friends about being involved with the Russian mafia, which also operates in this town. I don’t want to cloud the waters further by suggesting that’s a part of this. I don’t think it is, to be honest. But the longer this goes on, and the more I read about it, hear about it, the stranger it gets. At this point I’m just interested in BDs story. Probably because her disappearance is such a mystery. And, there’s always a slim hope she’s out there somewhere. And somebody knows exactly where she’s at or what happened to her.

I found it interesting that there was a sheriffs office warrant in JUNE that stated MQ MH BD were being investigated for manufacturing. Does anybody else think it’s possible that there is someone on the inside that tipped MQ or someone else off to that? This town isn’t exactly free of corruption. And being so conservative, our LE doesn’t give a **** about keeping people safe. “One less drug addict on the street” is absolutely their mentality. Not at all saying they don’t care about these 3 and are not working tirelessly to find BD and MH. There are good cops out there who believe in justice. And I don’t want to introduce a new theory of corruption/cover up, that would only distract from what we’re talking about here. I just don’t believe anything can be ruled out at this point.

@bakersfield3 i know you have to be tight lipped as this is a very active investigation, but without revealing anything, is it possible for you to acknowledge that BPD are actively targeting select individuals? Don’t need initials, names, nothing like that. Even vaguely, can you say that there are very likely person(s) of interest?

Just a couple of quick comments - the death of the man who was found burned in his trunk near Arvin (who had a very possible HA connection) was said to be meth intoxication, although the manner has not yet been determined. (I’m only speaking of Justin Taylor, not the young Hispanic man, but will look into that, as well) That could’ve been similar to the Joseph Lara case - a drug dealer supposedly panics when someone ODs on their stuff. I’m not saying that’s the case, but I wanted to share that info, because I had looked into it. Those cases could be linked to that dealer, to HA, the list goes on and on.

Many residents are learning of crimes and crime rings that they never knew of before. I do think we need to be careful about assuming a connection between all of them.

I agree that we still should be open minded and consider all possibilities while we have so little from LE, but at the same time, I feel like we shouldn’t lose sight of the info we DO know. We also have to consider the market for the goods and services being provided - there are plenty of groups (in town and elsewhere) of people who want guns, who want drugs, and who regularly use escorts - not to mention the huge number of people I’ve seen who have been arrested repeatedly for having multiple IDs that belong to others. That, in itself, seems to be a pretty lucrative business.

In regard to MQ, if he had gotten wind of an upcoming bust regarding the gun mfg operation, I don’t think he would’ve been in the car with Baylee and loaded guns and would’ve been able to avoid his own arrest. (Maybe I’m misunderstanding that comment of yours?) On the flip side of that, maybe whatever is going on is so dangerous that it was worth chancing an arrest in order to feel protected.

One last comment and I’ll stop babbling - other than the KCSO in-custody website, I don’t know of any other way to obtain official info on who is and isn’t in custody. Now that the case is in the hands of BPD, do we really know who is being held as the investigation continues and who isn’t? I don’t know of a way of searching that database. I think we really need to vet any info we “hear” on this subject. Anecdotal info can be pretty unreliable for a limitless number of reasons.

Interestingly enough, I’ve been surprised by the number of Russian accounts (fake or real, no idea) following many people connected to all of this. I haven’t researched it yet, but have also seen plenty of accounts that could easily be perceived as recruiting for ISIS. As we’ve said before, the possibilities feel endless. Hopefully, LE knows differently.

I pray daily that the FBI/ATF/CIA are involved and will continue to do so.
 
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Just a couple of quick comments - the death of the man who was found burned in his trunk near Arvin (who had a very possible HA connection) was said to be meth intoxication, although the manner has not yet been determined. (I’m only speaking of Justin Taylor, not the young Hispanic man, but will look into that, as well) That could’ve been similar to the Joseph Lara case - a drug dealer supposedly panics when someone ODs on their stuff. I’m not saying that’s the case, but I wanted to share that info, because I had looked into it. Those cases could be linked to that dealer, to HA, the list goes on and on.

Many residents are learning of crimes and crime rings that they never knew of before. I do think we need to be careful about assuming a connection between all of them.

I agree that we still should be open minded and consider all possibilities while we have so little from LE, but at the same time, I feel like we shouldn’t lose sight of the info we DO know. We also have to consider the market for the goods and services being provided - there are plenty of groups (in town and elsewhere) of people who want guns, who want drugs, and who regularly use escorts - not to mention the huge number of people I’ve seen who have been arrested repeatedly for having multiple IDs that belong to others. That, in itself, seems to be a pretty lucrative business.

In regard to MQ, if he had gotten wind of an upcoming bust regarding the gun mfg operation, I don’t think he would’ve been in the car with Baylee and loaded guns and would’ve been able to avoid his own arrest. (Maybe I’m misunderstanding that comment of yours?) On the flip side of that, maybe whatever is going on is so dangerous that it was worth chancing an arrest in order to feel protected.

One last comment and I’ll stop babbling - other than the KCSO in-custody website, I don’t know of any other way to obtain official info on who is and isn’t in custody. Now that the case is in the hands of BPD, do we really know who is being held as the investigation continues and who isn’t? I don’t know of a way of searching that database. I think we really need to vet any info we “hear” on this subject. Anecdotal info can be pretty unreliable for a limitless number of reasons.

Interestingly enough, I’ve been surprised by the number of Russian accounts (fake or real, no idea) following many people connected to all of this. I haven’t researched it yet, but have also seen plenty of accounts that could easily be perceived as recruiting for ISIS. As we’ve said before, the possibilities feel endless. Hopefully, LE knows differently.

I pray daily that the FBI/ATF/CIA are involved and will continue to do so.
All BPD arrests go to the county jail; so a person arrested by BPD would be found on the sheriff site.
Mq and Baylee got arrested in December for the guns, the warrants came out June. The warrants could have come about because of the arrest?
 
  • #435
It appears, though, that depending on where they go when they leave here for a longer sentence, it’s no longer accessible - unless some have been purposely made inaccessible to the public? I don’t think we can access anything if they’ve been transferred to Wasco, since it’s a state prison, but I could be wrong. I think we are limited to the “county jail stuff”.

I agree that those warrants could’ve been obtained at the time of those arrests. I’d be surprised if they didn’t come about due to Micah going missing and the info that was discovered as a result of his disappearance.

Maybe there was an investigation going on well before that, though - and there WAS an effort to eliminate potential witnesses. I’d think that would have to be a wide investigation. Maybe wishful thinking...
 
  • #436
Well, there is a state inmate site you can see. Also, I think the arrests are available but maybe DA refused to file criminal complaint. I see SW was arrested but no criminal case filed
 
  • #437
All BPD arrests go to the county jail; so a person arrested by BPD would be found on the sheriff site.
Mq and Baylee got arrested in December for the guns, the warrants came out June. The warrants could have come about because of the arrest?
Possibly, but MH being on the warrant, when he wasn’t involved in that December arrest, is a very crucial piece of information. Plus, MQ having those weapons wouldn’t necessarily mean he was involved in manufacturing(would look suspicious for sure) so I’m assuming SOMEONE had to have given LE some information that made it worth their time to further investigate.

If I’m the families, I’m hiring multiple PIs to track down these leads to other states regarding sex trafficking. These people are very good at keeping these girls hidden and cut off from the outside world.
 
  • #438
Well, there is a state inmate site you can see. Also, I think the arrests are available but maybe DA refused to file criminal complaint. I see SW was arrested but no criminal case filed
It’s likely she was just cited and released on spot. Which case she wouldn’t come up under the criminal search record online.
 
  • #439
Well, there is a state inmate site you can see. Also, I think the arrests are available but maybe DA refused to file criminal complaint. I see SW was arrested but no criminal case filed
Thanks!
 
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