CA - Bakersfield High School Teacher Duct Tapes Student

[MrsMush99]

My daugher has a kid who is extremely disruptive to the class. EVERY SINGLE DAY, it is something else with this kid, I wish they WOULD duct tape his mouth SHUT. And before anyone says anything about sending him to the principal. It's been done more then once, as well as having his parents up to the school. I say it's time they kick him out. I'm not paying for my daughter to go to school to be distracted and disrupted every single day. I've already gotten one girl thrown out for cursing out my daughter and another girl. It's ridiculous that the parents allow this to happen. And YES I DO blame the parents. These kids don't have to answer for anything they do nowadays. My daughter knows she better not EVER be disruptive in class. Her teacher said to her yesterday that if she could clone a student it would be my daughter. Now mind you her grades are not the best because she has a learning disablity, HOWEVER, she is polite, respectful and does not disrupt the class. I see these kids who have no respect for authority and they are going to be hit with reality when they go out in the real world.

 

[Sandy247]

I agree with Ms. Mush. I think that parents need to take responsibility and we as parents need to work with the school. My son is in 5th grade. He knows that Mom is not going to go running into school and defend him if he has done something wrong. He knows he will get in trouble at school AND at home. If you get caught, you pay the price. You have to take responsibility for your actions. My best friend's step-daughter just got caught throwing paper balls on the bus at another kid. She got in trouble because she got caught and got detention for it. The girl's mom (who tries to always be the "cool mom" and never wants to disipline the kids) went into the school to dispute the detention because the girl was just throwing the paper ball back to the boy who originally threw it. Whatever......... the thing is that my friend's step-daughter is the one who got caught.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Gitch, I think your duct tape exploits with the boyfriend are for a different forum! Lol!:blushing:

I was just SAYIN'. ha ha I used duct tape as a teenager and tried to rip it with my teeth - pulled a piece of skin off my lip - so I know the duct tape today is not as evil. I don't know how many of you know the difference, so I was sharing.

 

[2sisters]

I was just SAYIN'. ha ha I used duct tape as a teenager and tried to rip it with my teeth - pulled a piece of skin off my lip - so I know the duct tape today is not as evil. I don't know how many of you know the difference, so I was sharing.

I know, I was just teasaing you. :crazy:

 

[Taximom]

Students disrupt class every day where 2 of my children attend school. These kids get detentions or are suspended if the action merits that, but somehow...they keep graduating to the next class. I know they aren't doing their homework and passing tests...so why do they get to go on to the next grade like my children that work their little butts off?

These are the very same kids that end up in high school frustrating a teacher that has been teaching successfully for 30 years. Granted she may not be up on new ways to keep kids interested (like Pandora's really neat idea), but that kid probably shouldn't even be in that grade either. He's probably been doing it for at least 8 years now.

I don't think duct tape should have been used though. Why couldn't she just send him to the Principal?:waitasec:

 

[Pepper]

My husband teaches upper division classes at a university. He is always complaining about the students that come in a half hr. late, eat in class, and otherwise disrupt the class. He's really getting tough the upcoming semester.

 

[4Angels]

My daugher has a kid who is extremely disruptive to the class. EVERY SINGLE DAY, it is something else with this kid, I wish they WOULD duct tape his mouth SHUT. And before anyone says anything about sending him to the principal. It's been done more then once, as well as having his parents up to the school. I say it's time they kick him out. I'm not paying for my daughter to go to school to be distracted and disrupted every single day. I've already gotten one girl thrown out for cursing out my daughter and another girl. It's ridiculous that the parents allow this to happen. And YES I DO blame the parents. These kids don't have to answer for anything they do nowadays. My daughter knows she better not EVER be disruptive in class. Her teacher said to her yesterday that if she could clone a student it would be my daughter. Now mind you her grades are not the best because she has a learning disablity, HOWEVER, she is polite, respectful and does not disrupt the class. I see these kids who have no respect for authority and they are going to be hit with reality when they go out in the real world.

Ever had a child with ADHD? My son has a bad case of it. He's been suspended, grounded, and about anything else you can think of.

He's probably a disruption at least 2-3x a week because of it (his ADHD manifests itself through talking. He's a motor mouth, lol!) He's had in-school 3x this year because of his mouth. I WISH a teacher would stick a piece of duct tape over it!

ADHD is just as valid of a disability as a learning one. And I would hate people to judge him or me as bad people because of it. I also pay for my child to learn and have worked very hard with the school to be fairly accomodating to find a win-win situation.

I'm probably one of the most active parents that school has. My son must have the teacher's sign off on his behavior and attitude for each class (along with his homework assignment because ADHD kids can be a wreck in organization). They ALL have my work email so I know before I get home how he performed. I often get comments about what a relief it is to know they can just shoot me an email about anything.

Oh...ADHD AND puberty = an impulsive kid with hormones. Wonderful mix there especially when you add testosterone to the mix. Thank goodness my son's prinicipal is educated in Special Needs kids and completely understands how this all affects teenage boys with ADHD. 10 to 1 this kids got a good case of it.

The common comment for my son is "He's a good kid that opens his mouth before he thinks."

But I'll tell you what. I know my son. And if some teacher has to stick a piece of duct tape over it to get peace and quiet, I'll be the first to buy her the roll!

My only complaint about the situation was how the media, family, and school reacted. Where's the mom saying..."WHAT!" Get your butt back to school and apologize, NOW!" Why isn't the media saying..."What do you get when a kid won't shut up and a teacher can't take anymore?"

Just another viewpoint from the parent of an ADHD kid.

 

[MrsMush99]

4Angels,

I do not think this kid has ADHD, he is EXTREMELY disrespectful. He is constantly yelling at the teacher, and telling her she doesn't teach. This has NOTHING to do with being a motor mouth, (my daughter is chatty also but not disruptive, when she's told to stop she does). My daughter came out of school crying a week ago because she is so tired of this kid being mean to the teacher. Accusing her of giving tests on material that she didn't teach. Which was a complete lie. He is always pushing these teachers. My daugher is in 7th grade and in her grade in her school they have 4 teachers. This kid give trouble to all of them. Yesterday was another incident with him not putting his hands on the desk like the teacher asking but just putting the tip of his fingers, and then telling her "my hands are on the desk". No, this child does not have ADHD, he authority problems. And for that, I blame the parents.

 

[packerdog]

I feel sorry for what the teachers have to deal with today. In my day (I am 51) you had respect for your teachers were affraid of getting into trouble. My children went to a lutheran school and their biggest fear was that if you misbehaved you were sent to the pastor and the rumor was he had a big paddle, he never used it of course but the threat was there. This kid will learn nothing from this and he will continue to get other teachers suspended.

 

[4Angels]

4Angels,

I do not think this kid has ADHD, he is EXTREMELY disrespectful. He is constantly yelling at the teacher, and telling her she doesn't teach. This has NOTHING to do with being a motor mouth, (my daughter is chatty also but not disruptive, when she's told to stop she does). My daughter came out of school crying a week ago because she is so tired of this kid being mean to the teacher. Accusing her of giving tests on material that she didn't teach. Which was a complete lie. He is always pushing these teachers. My daugher is in 7th grade and in her grade in her school they have 4 teachers. This kid give trouble to all of them. Yesterday was another incident with him not putting his hands on the desk like the teacher asking but just putting the tip of his fingers, and then telling her "my hands are on the desk". No, this child does not have ADHD, he authority problems. And for that, I blame the parents.

Possibly ODD then? If he's ODD then he is in definite need of therapy.

Such a shame this happens. Any reaction from the parents that anyone knows of?

This kid should've apologized 10x over for HIS contribution to the current mess. Her reaction doesn't excuse his action.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Out of 24 students in my daughter's Microsoft Academy (9th grade) there are only 4 who are respectful to the teachers. It's a SEVERE problem and may cause the Academy to close because it's a tough program and you can't learn where there is that much disruption. Of the four students, one of which is mine (surprise to me!) three were homeschooled until this year. Donna was homeschooled until she was five. It certainly may fall on the parents to discipline the kids. The teachers have their hands tied. What can they do that is effective?

The only reason sending a kid to the principal ever worked, is because back in the day, the principal had a paddle. Nowdays, the principal is as powerless as the teachers. It doesn't do any good.

If it keeps a teacher from belting a student, I say bring on the duct tape. Yes, even if it's my daughter. Lord knows there has been a time or two I've been tempted to do it myself.

 

[4Angels]

Out of 24 students in my daughter's Microsoft Academy (9th grade) there are only 4 who are respectful to the teachers. It's a SEVERE problem and may cause the Academy to close because it's a tough program and you can't learn where there is that much disruption. Of the four students, one of which is mine (surprise to me!) three were homeschooled until this year. Donna was homeschooled until she was five. It certainly may fall on the parents to discipline the kids. The teachers have their hands tied. What can they do that is effective?

The only reason sending a kid to the principal ever worked, is because back in the day, the principal had a paddle. Nowdays, the principal is as powerless as the teachers. It doesn't do any good.

If it keeps a teacher from belting a student, I say bring on the duct tape. Yes, even if it's my daughter. Lord knows there has been a time or two I've been tempted to do it myself.

Wow GW, that sounds terrible. I think that's one of the worst classes I've heard about. We've generally got 1 or 2 to a room at most (and generally my son is 1 of them). I've noticed with my son his behavior is worse when there's another ADHD in close range to him. It's like they play off each other. I call for an immediate separation when I see it. But dear goodness...what do you do when 20+ disruptions are bunched together!

My son fears the principal. Because he knows that once he's done there he's gotta come home. And when he gets home his punishments vary. I've had them range from no tv to stripping beds and washing walls. (I worked every ounce of defiance and energy outta that body that day!)

Hehe, I've been tempted to duct tape him more than a couple times. :blushing:

 

[Mr. E]

My husband teaches upper division classes at a university. He is always complaining about the students that come in a half hr. late, eat in class, and otherwise disrupt the class. He's really getting tough the upcoming semester.

I cannot even comprehend this type of behavior in college. Good Lord, if you aren't mature enough to sit through class respectfully, stay out of college! I was at an AAUW (American Association of University Women) meeting recently, and one of the women there is a college professor. She said some of these same things, that students are more disruptive and have more behavioral/attitude problems than in the past. She is looking into retiring because of this!

My husband is a college professor, too, and he has had so many problems with students skipping class, rehearsal (they're theater students), etc. that he has had to make a handbook for them, aside from their regular handbook, that tells them how their behavior/academic life must be in order to participate in plays. Plagiarism has also been a big problem. He says students have lost their passion, that they're just looking to get by the easiest way they can. Out of his 14 theater majors (it is a very small college), he can name 2 students who are serious students. So different than when we were in school. I'm beginning to believe that a college education doesn't mean as much as it used to.

What an interesting discussion on modern education this topic has led to!

 

[julianne]

Possibly ODD then? If he's ODD then he is in definite need of therapy.

I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.

To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.

I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?

 

[cappuccina]

...an incident today at my son's high school. I am a parent volunteer, and go in to help the teachers. After I was done, on my way out, I noticed that a group of three large boys were backtalking and giving one of the adult hall monitors a lot of trouble, She's a smaller, older lady. One of the kids decided to go outside the door, and taunt her through the glass. Well, as I needed to go out of the building anyway, I walked straight through the group of boys, while telling them to "knock it off". I then opened the door and told the one outside to get his inside, and pick up the litter he had thrown all over the floor. He told me "I ain't gonna do that." I then said he was gonna do that, and by the way it's "I'm not going to do that", and if he continued speaking with incorrect grammar and dissing everyone the only job he was ever going to be able to get was shoveling elephant sh&t at the zoo. He looked at me, picked up his litter and got in line. I went right up in his face when I was talking to him, and never backed down. The monitor lady thanked me. I told her to "have a nice day" and went to my car.

End of story...no duct tape needed...(Helps that I'm 5'8") ...

And for those of you ready to criticize me because I swore at him...sometimes it is necessary to do this with very recalcitrant kids...I have experience teaching some very difficult people, and I know when this is necessary...You may not agree with me, but...you might not have had the experience with kids like this either...

 

[julianne]

CAPP---:clap: :clap: :clap:

I would've done the exact same thing. Exactly. Good for you.

I guarantee that the word "sh*t" didn't make him blush---that's a mild word compared to the others that they use and hear frequently. No need to sugarcoat the word with "doo-doo" or "poop", LOL.

 

[Pandora]

This is a great idea. Do you mind if I steal it to use in my 11th grade classes? They're college prep English; this sounds like it would definitely keep them engaged.

Steal away! It's always worked for me!

 

[MrsMush99]

I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.

To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.

I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?

Julianne,

I never heard of ODD before so I went and looked it up. Everything that was a "sign" sounded just like my nephew. And what is he?? Exactly what you said, a spoiled rotten brat. He certainly does not need threapy. What he needs is some disciplining, which his mother REFUSES to give him. I suspect that is the problem with the kid that is in my daughters class. Some parents today just have no clue on how to raise children.

 

[Trino]

Could I ever tell you all some stories. I teach in an inner city environment, and if you consider "motor mouth" a problem, multiply that by about 15, which is just about the average number of discipline problems in a class of 30. Administrators are powerless until the student turns 16 when they can refer a student to ALC (Alternative Learning Center), which is, for most, a road to dropping out of school. These kids have so many problems they don't belong in a public school and are disruptive to those who want to learn. Suspending them isn't a solution because they're back in a few days and begin the process anew. Additionally, the school district tracks discipline dismissals and suspensions by sex and race; you might guess the implications of this if a category were especially high.

Discipline problems (15-16 years old) that I encounter include everyday use of 4 letter words, inappropriate dress (baggy pants, cleavage, coats, hats, language on shirts), getting up during class and wandering to talk to friends, refusal to do any assignments whatsoever, throwing things at other kids, wandering and waving to friends in the hall, walking out of class into the hall, arguing because they don't want to sit in their seat, sharpening a pencil during class. JUST PLAIN RUDE BEHAVIOR. Please note that this behavior is not just in my class. These kids are problems in every class they attend.

You can bet I throw these kids out, as does every other teacher they have. But, within a day the administration sends them back.

Life isn't terrible, however, since I do teach three upper grade classes, which I consider normal. It's 14-15 year olds who the public schools have to admit that are the problem, and I have two classes of them.

From what I'm seeing there will be an entire underclass of society that will somehow manage to blame the public schools for their lack of a good education.

 

[4Angels]

I had to read your post twice, because at first I just read the word as "odd", but now I realize ODD is an acronym for Oppositional Defiant Disorder, if I'm terming it right.

To me, ODD is just a fancy schmancy term for a spoiled brat. What kind of therapy does a kid who is labeled ODD get??? I think the only kind of therapy a spoiled brat needs is structure, discipline, manners and to learn that there are consequences for his/her behavior. I just think sometimes we are overthinking kids these days, and parents would much rather have some ridiculous diagnosis placed upon their kid and let them grow up in a drugged out haze than admit that they are either failing as a parent OR that their kid is just a spoiled rotten brat who doesn't give a crap about anyone else or anyones feelings.

I know many people will disagree with my opinion---the simple fact that 60% of the kids in my suburban high school are going through childhood under the influence of their prescribed drugs, tells me that my opinion isn't a popular one. Docs don't even agree what determines whether a kid is ODD or not, there is no standardized tests, all their formats differ vastly......what happens when it's time to go off the drugs? Is there ever a time to go off the drugs?

This is from the AACP:

Treatment of ODD may include: Parent Training Programs to help manage the child's behavior, Individual Psychotherapy to develop more effective anger management, Family Psychotherapy to improve communication, Cognitive‑Behavioral Therapy to assist problem solving and decrease negativity, and Social Skills Training to increase flexibility and improve frustration tolerance with peers. (/end)

Generally medication is not issued in these cases unless there are other factors. Depression, uncontrollable rage.

It's a shame that so many kids in your school are on medications. Our area has no where near that many on medications. But I believe you're seeing the result of what happens when mom and dad can't administer a good ole' fashioned arse whooping when the kid jumps outta line. Next best thing for control in the house? Medication. Sadly I believe this to be pretty accurate.