CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[PaulaDC]

This is what LE has to find out IMO. Is their money altogether in a savings, CD, checking account or did she put her inheritance in a separate account with her name only, BUT on the other hand, if she has a will, she could, if found deceased, have it going to RT. I'm hoping it goes to her son and HK relatives.

It will be gone. It happens all the time.

 

[PaulaDC]

just jumping off this post into my own rabbit hole of money trails....

if say I inherited a large sum of money via inheritance, my husband would already be enjoying the fruits of my wealth (as well as his own, as well as ours together).
if I went missing never to be found again his financial situation wouldn't change.

but if I was contemplating leaving him.......well then....our financial situation becomes a big dividing issue.

moo

And exactly when was that money inherited?

 

[Kapua]

no idea if this is right - Ford F-350 Super Duty MPG - Actual MPG from 1,896 Ford F-350 Super Duty owners Average MPG is about 13 and I dont think that is even when pulling something Tank capacity is 34 gallons. So if pulling the RV, perhaps 10 mpg x 34 =340. Not for the eco warrior, thats for sure.

This video may be useful at 8.48 MPG is 10.8 pulling the RV

Excellent find! So at 10.8 MPG with a 34 gallon tank, that gives the combined vehicle a range of 367.2 miles. Someone driving a vehicle like this would need to conserve enough fuel to make it to the nearest gas station. From Kelbaker/Hidden Hills back to Needles is 70.2 miles and one would need ~6.5 gallons to make it there on fumes. Let's conserve twice that much to be on the safe side - 12 gallons of the 34. That gives a range of 237 miles for a day trip, conserving enough to make it to the gas station safely on the way back. MOO and YMMV.

ETA: Sorry, checked my math and corrected.

 

[al66pine]

Separate Property, Community Property.

My brain is going in a completely different direction.

....
So,Q1 if BT is NOT found deceased, are all of her assets considered community property with RT, including physical/material possessions like homes, RVs, as well as any monetary inheritances?
I guess my question is this:
Q2 As long as BT is not found and is not declared dead, under community property laws in Arizona, is RT able to spend money she may have inherited, or not? JMO.

@GordianKnot dbm RBM
Re Q1 If a person has assets like checking a/c, credit union savings a/c, mutual fund a/c, stock brokerage a/c, Indiv. Retiremt. Acct, a home or other real estate, and if each is registered/titled in single name as "Wanda Watson, Separate Property" and if Wanda has not signed a 'Power of Attorney" document naming Harry Hammond, her husband, to act on her behalf, then NO. Her separate property is not magically converted to comm/prop, by her missing status or absence. True, regardless of property form, like the examples you gave or ex's I listed. Wanda's name is still on these various a/c's. Quite clear when the asset is registered a/c or titled prop. (Same principle w jewelry & certain other tangibles, but lack of approp. document may make proof difficult one way or another, if litigation arises.)
Re Q1 Is husband of missing/absent woman "able" to spend money she inherited?
After marriage if a woman receives $$$ thru a gift or inheritance, if she uses it to open, say, a bank or brokerage a/c in her name "Wanda Watson, Separate Property" and if she has not signed Pwr/Atty doc naming husband as agent, then he is not legally entitled to spend $ from that a/c. OTOH if she deposited inheritance $ into a/c titled "Harry Hammond and Wanda Watson Community Property" then likely he may be entitled.
Even if not legally entitled, could/would a husband try? Likely some would, but for most/all of above type assets, a withdrawal, spending $, or transferring $ would require signature of a/c holder, Wanda.

All jmo, moo, imo. IANAL (but have stayed at Holiday Inns. j/k)

 

[Kapua]

One last calculation before I call it a night. If you were to drive continuously at a conservative 45 MPH for, say 5 hours, you'd cover a distance of 225 miles.

 

[k-mac]

And exactly when was that money inherited?

I don't know 'exactly' when.
per VI

a chunk of potential motive, i don't recall if it made it to the pub thread or not, but i know from my dad barb was the sole inheritor in my grandma's will.

according to my fathers estranged brother, barb inherited few million(s)? no confirmation on exact amount, but he made it sound like she was set for life after my grandma died. was the first hint i ever had that barb had substantial assets. she lived very modestly, imo.

also some potential insight into matthews mindset re barbs estate?

 

[al66pine]

And here's where my brain is reverting back to questions r/t whether any of the money she received from an inheritance is sitting in any joint accounts right now, or not.
If their financial assets are co-mingled and don't require the signatures of both parties for withdrawals, then BT NOT being found may mean that "her" money is "his" money in the meantime.
Kind of like "Mi Casa Es Su Casa," only "Mi Dinero Es Su Dinero....?"JMO.

@GordianKnot Thanks for your post and for the Dinero thought.
BTW, I just posted a long-ish response to your earlier post about $$$.

Now, just expanding a bit on your post.
In a comm/prop state if someone receives an inheritance after marriage, it is separate property. If the person inheriting deposits the $$$ to a shared interest/co-owned a/c, such as joint tenants w right of survivorship and if financial institution requires only one signature to authorize a withdrawal, possibly the entire balance, or sale of the asset, or transfer of asset to another name, well, may or may not technically/legally be comm/prop, but w a MisPers-spouse, the non-inheriting spouse may decide practically speaking 'Su Dinero Es 'Mi Dinero' like you said.
jmo.

 

[dbdb11]

BUT, actions speak louder than words. If I was in fear, I certainly wouldn't be doing any interviews, or [DELETED BY ME]
How do we know he is in fear? @dbdb11 do you know?

i do not know robbies mindset. do not know where he is or how he is.

he is no longer represented by the lawyer who spoke on his behalf in matt's indiana news article. don't know if he has a new lawyer.

 

[dbdb11]

Respectfully, (and I do mean that with no snark, I always appreciate your thoughts and posts) LE does not START with a theory and then make facts fit that theory.

just for the record: LE have definitely been known to do dirty deeds to make a case. this sheriffs dept seems reputable enough, and i don't have any reason to doubt their ethics. detectives, though difficult to get hold of, and tight lipped, seem very professional.

 

[dbdb11]

Oh I thought you meant the son was fearful.
He sounds a bit off the wall-- but there could be a kernel of truth in his theories.
Not sure LE takes him at all seriously.

at a minimum i know barb was in communication with matt, while RT told me both he and barb had not been on speaking terms with matt for years. my father also was under the impression barb was not in communication with matt. i know that matt was in communication with barb. will spare the details, but the fact they were in communication when noone believed they were makes me think twice about everything else matt claimed.

 

[ZZbball22]

@dbdb11

Is there any reason to believe they may have been experiencing any financial hardships?

I ask because I know a lot of people who are, tend not to show it outwardly and may even go out of their way to not show it.

I am interested in the financial aspect because it's not something that could necessarily be able to be verified without direct knowledge or consent to be able to evaluate.

 

[al66pine]

....ETA - A body would also need to be found and foul play evidenced. If not, it looks like you cannot delare someone legally dead (sorry) until they have been missing for a continuous perod of 5 years - Legally Declaring Dead In Arizona - Person is Presumed Dead

@Nikinoo Thanks for your post w link to good article from June 2017 re AZ statute and w 71 y/o AZ man gone missing in Sept 2014. I wonder if there have been any developments since then.

 

[dbdb11]

RSBM

At the time when our VI wrote that, I know his feelings on Matthew were different than they are now. Perhaps our VI can elaborate, but 'evidence' could simply mean that the son Matthew had told him this information, rather than that he actually had physical proof of its existence. imo.

independently verified, though matt never shared any of those communications with me, he knew things about my fathers condition only barbara could have shared with him. he knew about barbara's plans to visit hk before our family here did.

i guess barbara was probably matthews lifeline. perhaps she was supporting him in some financial capacity. just guessing on these last points though.

 

[kay74]

dbdb11, Just curious, is Matt's father alive? Is Indiana a place Barbara and her family are originally from?

 

[dbdb11]

Yes, I would 'reveal personal information" til the cows came home if I thought it would help find my mom. I wouldn't ever think about it as taking a chance, or what I might have to deal with, I would just do it. Any attention that might help find my mom would be good attention. MOO

if you had reason to believe a very powerful organization was involved you might think twice. i am not saying so, i am giving some context to what we are all looking at. my family has asked me to back off due to concerns over what we were learning about person involved. some people with relevant knowledge prefer not be named, prefer not to speak to media. not necessarily straight forward as it seems at first. i dont subscribe to a grand conspiracy in barbara's case. but i get a real sense of criminal activity and i do believe there are dangerous elements at work.

 

[Jim_M]

if you had reason to believe a very powerful organization was involved you might think twice. i am not saying so, i am giving some context to what we are all looking at. my family has asked me to back off due to concerns over what we were learning about person involved. some people with relevant knowledge prefer not be named, prefer not to speak to media. not necessarily straight forward as it seems at first. i dont subscribe to a grand conspiracy in barbara's case. but i get a real sense of criminal activity and i do believe there are dangerous elements at work.

Quite concerning for the family, obviously. I would ask LE related questions, but would not want to delve deeper here if the chance for repercussions is real. Good luck to you, and your family. <<Find Barbara>>

 

[dbdb11]

Have any of you researched news about the company? I wrote a post early on and may have deleted it due to unfavorable responses. I got the opinion I was being made fun of over using the term cartel. I am not into conspiracy theories but I am shocked and dismayed that our government has allowed a corporation like that to keep running. Does this mean it is just too big and powerful to take it down? Just like Epstein, how the heck did everyone turn a blind eye to that situation? I'd love for the country that I believe in to please show me they are not as corrupt as I'm starting to view them as.

its worse than most have the ability to imagine, but this is the wrong medium to discuss it. the TOS are very good at keeping websleuths focused on helping victims. sleuthing the military industrial entertainment complex is best done elsewhere imho.

 

[K9Enzo]

It’s possible (IMO) BT’s son has been influenced by some comments here, also gathered info from the VI here and later called it his own knowledge. Just a thought.

 

[MsBetsy]

But the only source for that ¼ mile distance is RT, who may or may not have paid strict attention to where he last saw Barbara. After all, he didn’t know it would be the last time. People vary a great deal in their ability to calculate distance (knowing your own pace-length is helpful, then counting - but no one does that if they believe their spouse has merely walked on ahead a short distance).

He admits that he panicked when he didn’t see her at the RV. He then looks around (coming back and forth to the RV from where he thinks he last saw her? Did he ever second guess that location? Does he use his own pictures as reference points? He doesn’t mention that kind of activity, he mentions hollering and going to a cave they knew about and waving his arms, but he doesn’t mention using his pictures to make sure he had the right starting point for all this activity. I’m not criticizing him, I’m just mentioning that in his panic, he may not have been absolutely accurate about exactly where he set off to take the pictures.

I don’t think RT left the area at all that night. In theory, LE used RT’s pictures to get some indication of this last sighting, but if RT walked further towards rocks he decided not to photograph, or did a little exploring before turning back toward the RV, the pictures would not show this. So the time factor would still be unknown.

I can think of many scenarios in which couples separate on hikes. RT has never given a clear indication of what Barbara’s mood state was when she decided not to join him in walking to that particular rock formation (which should be the last picture of the day, according to what he said).

Yes, I meant that she went missing from that general location as opposed to the convenience store or the kennel.

If LE considered the kennel a key point in the investigation I would think they would have interviewed the staff there.
We don't know the exact location but LE does and they based their search on the last location where RT said he saw her.

They have always said that was the where she went missing.
They have never said she was last seen in the desert by Robert, but she was last seen by others at the kennel or at the convenience store.

If they thought it was that significant to the investigation or crucial to finding her I would think they would have mentioned it.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

i do not know robbies mindset. do not know where he is or how he is.

he is no longer represented by the lawyer who spoke on his behalf in matt's indiana news article. don't know if he has a new lawyer.

I think the question was how do we know Matt fears for his safety.