CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[PommyMommy]

YOU are AMAZING, @PommyMommy Not only is this department known as tight-lipped, but it has some other problems, too. The fact that the military was involved in Erin's case probably pushed that one up toward the light. I wonder what their homicide clearance rate is. I read an article two days ago about homicide in California, in which all counties were clustered very close to the average for all of California. Two counties were safer (Orange and one other, I've forgotten) and two were dramatically less safe: San Bernardino and San Francisco. Of course.

Trying not to say more - you just said it all.

No, you're AMAZING! The amount of research, time, thought, and effort you have put into this case is awe-inspiring. Kudos!

I will defer to @GordianKnot regarding Erin's case as I didn't follow that one. MOO

 

[LietKynes]

Going to keep hoping for Barbara as well.
Tbh, I thought the McStay case was firmly cold and unsolvable.
If she's in that desert, just might not be where they've searched.
Assuming LE have looked at the truck's gps, they may indicate other areas to search.
Thinking about her son, the VI, and Barbara's ailing brother.

 

[al66pine]

Really, your only choice would be to rent a car (unless you are quite well-off). Hiring a private car and having it sit at the side of the road while you searched would be expensive (as in $1000 a day expensive, per my own research). Having someone drop you off at such a distant location, and then re-calling the car later would be almost as expensive (it's almost 2 hours from Vegas). It also would not be safe, IMO, unless you were meeting up with a group.
Primm, NV is closer. We've stayed there many times. You can get airport shuttles to Primm, but then you'd need a rental car or a car service. Rental car would be way cheaper and also allow for varying places of starting the search.
There are no towns within an hour of the search site. Well, there's Baker. But good luck getting a rental car or a hired car or anything more than the lowest type of hotel and food service in Baker (IME, obviously not a fan of Baker).

@10ofRods Thanks for your post. Always good to hear from those w local-ish experience.
$1000 per day? We must be thinking about different things.
{{ETA: Deleted some.
My post said: "Rental car." I was thinking, say, Hertz.}}

After the Great Temperature Debate of 2019, I sh/have refrained from posting travel ideas . LOL

 

[LietKynes]

You think he had the final say in what she wore?

Do you ?
That's a serious question.
Some husbands like to see their spouses scantily attired. Just their expectation and nothing wrong with that.

So he could have layered his clothing to resist the heat... but she was to wear what he wanted.
What are your thoughts ?

 

[LietKynes]

Weird Results. Anyone Else Get Them?

From post by @Micheline as source to weather
Mojave National Preserve Weather Forecast, CA - WillyWeather.

When I click on ^, first result is image w "California, USA" as (more or less) header, then weather grid w temps, etc..
At lower left of image,"Detail forecast."
Clieck, result is "Coarsegold, CA" --- not even in San Bernardino County, but Madera County.
and my address bar shows "msn.com" * blah, blah.
Does anyone else get these same kind of weird results from @Micheline's link? Thx in adv.

If so, no wonder temps & weather other ppl find are waaay diff from Micheline.



_____________________________________________________
* "Coarsegold, CA - MSN Weather"

Other example or weird result.
I also searched fictional/hypo place name "xyz california weather forecast willy weather".
Press "enter" first result is image w "California, USA" as (more or less) header,
then weather grid w temps, etc..
At lower left of image, Click "Detail forecast".
Then shows "Coarsegold, CA" etc.

BBM

"Coarsegold,CA" is 326 miles from the Mojave.
Maybe taking a bus might help ?
Tickets are ranging from 999.000 and up.

^^^ It was good of you to look that up.
It should reveal something....

 

[Cherwell]

Do you ?
That's a serious question.
Some husbands like to see their spouses scantily attired. Just their expectation and nothing wrong with that.

So he could have layered his clothing to resist the heat... but she was to wear what he wanted.
What are your thoughts ?

That there's no basis whatsoever for such a supposition.

 

[LietKynes]

That there's no basis whatsoever for such a supposition.

Fair enough
Maybe and maybe not.
We both have no idea what he may have said or done that day, or any day.
There are photos of Barbara in a lighter colored bikini outside of a tent, taken from above her by someone on a hilltop or shorter cliff.
So she maybe have just felt comfy that way and why not if there's no one around to mind ?

 

[LietKynes]

@10ofRods Thanks for your post. Always good to hear from those w local-ish experience.
$1000 per day? We must be thinking about different things.
{{ETA: Deleted some.
My post said: "Rental car." I was thinking, say, Hertz.}}

After the Great Temperature Debate of 2019, I sh/have refrained from posting travel ideas . LOL

Ita.

And short of Barbara's own immediate family or an experienced and professional SAR recovery team that's funded by an outside source, there's just no way one person is going to spend 1,000 a day and travel from Coarsegold, CA to look in the Mojave.

And if LE know where else the truck was driven with whomever was riding in it -- they haven't divulged.
Without more info., no one knows where else to search.

 

[LietKynes]

Thanks Pom for always bringing factual evidence to help us understand. Those basement dwellers are getting a workout!

Emph added

Your post put a visual in my mind....

On another note -- hoping LE will update us soon !
The VI is with a seriously ill family member ; and my thoughts are with them.

It's possible Texas EquuSearch would assist; but they need more to go on.
So back to LE and what if anything they've discovered.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Professor uses coverage of missing woman as case study

"Investigators tell me at this time they don't suspect suspicious activity. They said Bob is not a suspect but he will remain part of the investigation because he was the last person to see her."

"Suspicious activity" as it relates to RT having done something to BT or as it relates to BT having been abducted? Is it one or the other, or both?

Does anyone think LE believes BT is lost in the desert?

 

[Gigi3]

bbm

Professor uses coverage of missing woman as case study


"Suspicious activity" as it relates to RT having done something to BT or as it relates to BT having been abducted? Is it one or the other, or both?

Does anyone think LE believes BT is lost in the desert?

I think initially LE might have thought so and followed protocol.
Now, not so much. MOO

 

[NoSI]

Found this on National Park website. Not sure if helpful, but thought i post it. It just gives a general idea of average temps throughout the year and it seems that temps can really vary within the area based on elevation...

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

I think initially LE might have thought so and followed protocol.
Now, not so much. MOO

LE, at this point, does not believe BT is lost in the desert. LE also does not suspect "suspicious activity." So, what's left?

What else is there?

 

[Tillicum]

bbm

Professor uses coverage of missing woman as case study


"Suspicious activity" as it relates to RT having done something to BT or as it relates to BT having been abducted? Is it one or the other, or both?

Does anyone think LE believes BT is lost in the desert?

IMO even if LE suspects suspicious activity, they're not gonna tell the public. At least not until they're ready to make an arrest. Like @LAhiker I think in the beginning LE thought Barbara was lost in the desert but over time they may be rethinking that.

 

[Cherwell]

LE, at this point, does not believe BT is lost in the desert. LE also does not suspect "suspicious activity." So, what's left?
What else is there?

Has there been a statement to that effect?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

What's left? This?

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/147/S147518.html


levity

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Has there been a statement to that effect?

If LE still believed BT was lost in the desert, they'd likely still be searching.

 

[bronbaby]

What's left? This?

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/147/S147518.html


levity

a small plane perhaps?

 

[MsBetsy]

bbm


LE, at this point, does not believe BT is lost in the desert. LE also does not suspect "suspicious activity." So, what's left?

What else is there?

I don't think LE ever said they did not think she was lost in the desert. They said they do not suspect foul play and there is no evidence that she was kidnapped.

They also said the search was based on the last location RT had seen her.
That they spent so much time and effort searching there it would seem they considered it possible that she got lost. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

If LE still believed BT was lost in the desert, they'd likely still be searching.

They searched for nine days because that is the longest time anyone could possibly be alive in those conditions. Imo
They said they will search again if there is any new evidence.