CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #11

[LietKynes]

I can't provide a link, but it's all contained in the posts by the VI. I thought we could discuss anything he said even though it was not in MSM.
He said he talked to RT and RT said he had been back to the desert, searching everywhere, turning over rocks, etc. We had a big discussion about why he would turn over rocks and that's where the phrase "leaving no stone unturned" came up.

And yes, we don't know what the lawyer has done other then saying they have been working frantically, or something like that, to find Barbara. Not sure what word he used. We have all been wondering what they were doing. We just don't know. That he is not representing him anymore may mean that they found nothing, or LE has not found any evidence against him, so he doesn't need a lawyer.

Barbara's son did say that he fears for his safety but the VI also said Barbara's family fears for his safety, as well. He mentioned it when he was talking about making a trip out there.
He feels there are powerful people involved and that has been constant throughout, as far as I can tell.

Matt is the one who said Robert knows what happened in relation to the company and the people involved but I suspect RT's nephew does too.

Imo

LBM

Thanks for clarifying, @MsBetsy !
Much appreciated.

Re. the bolded : Yes you're right about that and hopefully it stays that way.

My opinion it seems as though some here have been critical of the VI's posts -- and that's unfortunate.
Why have a VI if we can't depend on the source information from him ?
I recall the 'turning over rocks' to look for Barbara conversation.

 

[10ofRods]

LBM

First bolded : Do you have a link for that ?
We can presume he might have searched, but it's just speculation at this point.
No one knows if RT has gone back to the desert to search for her.
If it's not in msm, we can guess that only the initial LE and SAR search checked the area where she vanished.

I can imagine his lawyer would advise against it, as he (the lawyer) would deem RT to be far to old to be stressing himself by looking in the desert.
Putting up missing person's flyers would be helpful --has anyone been in the area -- where they hiked or at their home town -- observed any missing posters put up ?

Second bolded : What has the lawyer done ? Have there been a further msm interview ? If so, we at WS may have missed it.
Serious question as I cannot find anything new in the media thread ; beyond that the lawyer made a statement, and that was all .
Not asking you , but the lawyer.
I want to know what it is that the lawyer thinks he did. "Working desperately..." were his words.

Third bolded : The VI said the lawyer has stopped representing RT.
The VI is Barbara's nephew , afaik.

Fourth bolded : That was Barbara's son who said that.

You are right. He no longer has that lawyer and there's no word on whether if ever got another (that's from the VI). I have the lawyer's name somewhere, but didn't think it worthwhile to call for confirmation since dbdb had done that.

I know through my own research that the Las Vegas station did ask RT for another interview, but he declined.

Apparently it was no longer necessary to employ the lawyer to keep doing whatever it was he was doing. So far, no one except Websleuthers have been documented as putting up flyers.

 

[slowpoke]

Thank you

To each his own but sounds miserable to me.

I’m stubborn [Taurus] and so is DH but we don’t bicker on.

The word bickering seems to indicate a peevish back and forth.

Not ominous if all is right and good with the Thomas’s but it brings to mind an initial thought the RT was no more than being boorish and not much of a gentleman when BT walked on by herself.

Seems to me that a couple that argue to the point that is notable aspect of their relationship would be disconnected.

So anyway interesting to me and imo.
all imo

Just to add balance, dbdb11 may have pointed out their bickering, but he has also said this:

I did get to spend time with Robbie and Barbara together, and they made for a beautiful and loving pair. I always felt they were natural compliments.

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #4

 

[LietKynes]

It wouldn't hurt to 'walk where they walked'.
Sorry that came out wrong.
But in the literal sense --and doing it safely with other people.
Where was the corner and where was the photo taken ?
Maybe they'ed find nothing ; but useful to understand the path , the place where the RV was parked at (I know it was a "turn off " from the road), etc.
I can't imagine no one would want to go out there and look.

And for some reason it'd be interesting to know why the 911 call hasn't been released ?
At this point it couldn't hurt. Imo.
Other 911 calls have been released in more serious cases.

 

[cazador]

It wouldn't hurt to 'walk where they walked'.
Sorry that came out wrong.
But in the literal sense --and doing it safely with other people.
Where was the corner and where was the photo taken ?
Maybe they'ed find nothing ; but useful to understand the path , the place where the RV was parked at (I know it was a "turn off " from the road), etc.
I can't imagine no one would want to go out there and look.

And for some reason it'd be interesting to know why the 911 call hasn't been released ?
At this point it couldn't hurt. Imo.
Other 911 calls have been released in more serious cases.

The lack of available info does leave questions as to why ? It sends a message to my mind that they are looking at something that we do not understand. Therefore keeping all cards to themselves..

 

[K9Enzo]

@cazador

I believe it's you that's interested in drone searches. Thought you might be interested in this article.

Drone Helps Rescue Hiker - RotorDrone

 

[Tillicum]

It wouldn't hurt to 'walk where they walked'.
Sorry that came out wrong.
But in the literal sense --and doing it safely with other people.
Where was the corner and where was the photo taken ?
Maybe they'ed find nothing ; but useful to understand the path , the place where the RV was parked at (I know it was a "turn off " from the road), etc.
I can't imagine no one would want to go out there and look.

And for some reason it'd be interesting to know why the 911 call hasn't been released ?
At this point it couldn't hurt. Imo.
Other 911 calls have been released in more serious cases.

Yeah last we were told they didn't suspect foul play or abduction so why not release the 911 call? I mean seriously, what harm could there be in releasing the 911 call for a woman who innocently got lost in the desert?

 

[al66pine]

Releasing 911 Call? Nature of this Case?

.... why the 911 call hasn't been released ?
At this point it couldn't hurt. Imo.
Other 911 calls have been released in more serious cases.

@LietKynes sbm and Others
"Other 911 calls have been released in more serious cases"
^ Assumes SBSD is still/now investigating as MisPers (or abduction?).^

If SBSD is now investigating as homicide (manslaughter? murder?)
then maybe above question answers itself:
---LE is not now/no longer investigating as MisPer or abduction (less serious case),
---so it is one of the "more serious cases" (manslaughter or murder) and
that's why call is not being released.
One possibility. jmo.

Since ~July 22 assignment to SBSD's SID, no explicit announcements AFAIK as nature of investigation either as MisPers case or homicide case or other.
No announcements at all since then, AFAIK.

 

[Cherwell]

In Bullhead City (and in most places in the American West with tourism or gambling of any kind anywhere near them) there are doggie daycare/boarding places. Hardly anyone takes their dog to anyone's home any more. It's my understanding that Barbara's daycare/boarding place of choice was near her house, had two employees, had regular operating hours and was one of these kinds of places, not someone's home.

In places where the temps are over 100°, dogs are rarely or never exercised outside. Instead, there are big areas indoors for the doggies to exercise and play all day. My dog loves her doggie place (which has three "classrooms" for different size/activity levels). Each of them has things to climb on top of (which my dog prefers) as well as other stuff/things to play in and on. They basically chase each other around a lot, as you'd see in an off leash dog park.

Sorry, I thought you said you wondered "why no neighbors, friends or family stepped in to help" and you described Lexi as being "abandoned at the kennel". But now you say that using boarding kennels is the norm where they live. Nothing wrong with that, if the dog is happy there. We have similar set-ups where I live. I just prefer to leave my dog in a domestic home with friends because he was shunted through several rescue kennels before he came to me, and as a result is anxious.

 

[al66pine]

"Last We Were Told"

Yeah last we were told they didn't suspect foul play or abduction so why not release the 911 call? I mean seriously, what harm could there be in releasing the 911 call for a woman who innocently got lost in the desert?

@Tillicum and Others
"... woman who innocently got lost in the desert?"
Is it possible ---
1) In making July stmt,* LE withheld info about evidence already found? Suspicions they already had?
2) In three months since July stmt,* LE found evidence and began to suspect foul play or abduction? Or worse?
Just wondering.

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* stmt re LE not suspecting "foul play or abduction."

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

There might be a good business in mine searches for someone that knows the area well and is familiar with mines.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yeah last we were told they didn't suspect foul play or abduction so why not release the 911 call? I mean seriously, what harm could there be in releasing the 911 call for a woman who innocently got lost in the desert?

It may be a matter of privacy. LE would probably need the caller's permission unless they have solid evidence of a crime.
They said the reason they did not release it was because it was part of the investigation, which always seems to be their standard answer. Imo

 

[Tillicum]

It may be a matter of privacy. LE would probably need the caller's permission unless they have solid evidence of a crime.
They said the reason they did not release it was because it was part of the investigation, which always seems to be their standard answer. Imo

Unfortunately I doubt we'll ever hear that call or see a transcript of it.

 

[LietKynes]

In Bullhead City (and in most places in the American West with tourism or gambling of any kind anywhere near them) there are doggie daycare/boarding places. Hardly anyone takes their dog to anyone's home any more. It's my understanding that Barbara's daycare/boarding place of choice was near her house, had two employees, had regular operating hours and was one of these kinds of places, not someone's home.

In places where the temps are over 100°, dogs are rarely or never exercised outside. Instead, there are big areas indoors for the doggies to exercise and play all day. My dog loves her doggie place (which has three "classrooms" for different size/activity levels). Each of them has things to climb on top of (which my dog prefers) as well as other stuff/things to play in and on. They basically chase each other around a lot, as you'd see in an off leash dog park.

No cats allowed. Medical statements required at the one I go to.

LBM

Lol.
Don't imagine any stray cats ever sneak onto the property.
Sorry I needed a bit of levity.

 

[slowpoke]

There might be a good business in mine searches for someone that knows the area well and is familiar with mines.

Regarding mines in the area, dbdb11 and RT did discuss them, but it sounds like RT was a bit dismissive (might be just my interpretation, though) of the idea. I thought it has been stated here that there are a number of mines at the Preserve, iirc, but perhaps RT meant there isn’t any within close walking proximity to where he saw Barbara last, which I have no idea.

What dbdb11 wrote:

”Robbie told me there were no mines in the area when I last spoke to him two weeks ago. He described the earth as unfit for mining. Don't remember how he described it exactly, but he made it sound like he knew what he was talking about, including the general geology of the area.”

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

 

[cazador]

Oddly, I just learned today that more and more LE are discouraging SAR from posting pictures (as West Valley SAR did in this case). I was speaking with a leader on another county's SAR team and he said that they are strongly discouraged from ever posting any pictures. Tweets are kind of okay, but I can tell he doesn't think they are a good idea.

Anyway, the SAR pictures are as close as I've gotten to figuring out where they might have started the search. At the intersection ¼ of a mile from the trailer. You could try calling the detective, all they can say is "Nope, won't tell you."

Thank You
I do plan to contact the detective before going on this trip. I will be asking if they will share previous SAR search data. If not it wont be a problem. More then that, I really just would like to know where RT said he was standing when he lost sight of BT. I do hope they can share that. From that position I will launch a drone and use the camera to record the area looking for where she or items belonging to her may be. I will follow a common path back to where the R.V. was located. Then from the road I will fly a grid pattern recording everything to study later. I will also be searching for other possible routes Barbara may have taken and record that also.

 

[Seajay]

Yes, but you seem to have ignored what I suggested. That she got into the car willingly, thinking that a Good Samaritan was offering her a lift back to her RV. Probably not something she would do if she was fit and well, but if her judgement was impaired by the effects of the heat, or if she was feeling ill, it's possible.

I don't think this is what happened, but it can't be ruled out, and I am just trying to show that an abduction doesn't have to involve struggle or force.

Sorry, wasn’t trying to ignore it, chemotherapy just left my brain only able to focus on one or two things. It never even occurred to me I was ignoring it.

I really don’t have anything to say about that because in just a few minutes she would have to be completely disoriented, in distress and wandering aimlessly for this to happen. If RT was only 5 minutes behind, and she was fine when he saw her on the trail 5 minutes before, that would be the time window for that to happen where she’d accept a ride and there would be no struggle or reason to leave her beer container, hat or sunglasses behind. IMO

 

[squareandrabbet]

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Regarding mines in the area, dbdb11 and RT did discuss them, but it sounds like RT was a bit dismissive (might be just my interpretation, though) of the idea. I thought it has been stated here that there are a number of mines at the Preserve, iirc, but perhaps RT meant there isn’t any within close walking proximity to where he saw Barbara last, which I have no idea.

I took dbdb1's words to mean that Robert said there were no active mines in the area (BBM):

"Robbie told me there were no mines in the area when I last spoke to him two weeks ago. He described the earth as unfit for mining. Don't remember how he described it exactly, but he made it sound like he knew what he was talking about, including the general geology of the area.”

I state this primarily because if RT meant "there are zero mines in this area at all", this could most likely easily be proven a lie by publicly available information (not sure about CA/AZ; but I know it's the case for, say, coal mines in Kentucky); thus I shouldn't think he would risk being caught out on such a simple lie.

"Unfit for mining" doesn't imply anything at all about "historically/always has been unfit", and could just mean something as simple as "currently most/all are boarded up, though they have existed in the past"; or something closer to "since they were termed unfit long ago, it's not an active mining area, and thus there are no mining camp witnesses who could have seen Barb". I don't think we know enough from the context to make that determination one way or another; though happy to be proven wrong.

 

[LietKynes]

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I state this primarily because if RT meant "there are zero mines in this area at all", this could most likely easily be proven a lie by publicly available information (not sure about CA/AZ; but I know it's the case for, say, coal mines in Kentucky); thus I shouldn't think he would risk being caught out on such a simple lie.

"Unfit for mining" doesn't imply anything at all about "historically/always has been unfit", and could just mean something as simple as "currently most/all are boarded up, though they have existed in the past"; or something closer to "since they were termed unfit long ago, it's not an active mining area, and thus there are no mining camp witnesses who could have seen Barb". I don't think we know enough from the context to make that determination one way or another; though happy to be proven wrong.

LBM

Agreed that any help would and should be welcomed and encouraged by all who love Barbara.

There was a poster who uploaded a map of mines in the area, but if they're boarded up they shouldn't be dangerous.
And yes-- an unfit mining area can be translated into 'no longer being mined'.
Those are two separate entities.

I can check back and see if the post was specific to your description and repost .
If not -- there might be another map and I'll link it.
It would broaden the search area.

 

[MsBetsy]

Regarding mines in the area, dbdb11 and RT did discuss them, but it sounds like RT was a bit dismissive (might be just my interpretation, though) of the idea. I thought it has been stated here that there are a number of mines at the Preserve, iirc, but perhaps RT meant there isn’t any within close walking proximity to where he saw Barbara last, which I have no idea.

What dbdb11 wrote:

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

Yeah, that's strange. Because I thought I read there were about 1000
mines in that area.
Another poster mentioned that there were not any within walking distance from where they were, or at least not closer than five miles I think.
Maybe that's what he meant. He would certainly know about the mines. I wonder what he meant by the area is not good for mining.
Maybe 10ofRods can think so something? Or anybody?

Imo