Found Deceased CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #13

[kkdj]

Yes, there is such passivity in telling “someone” to return your wife “no questions asked”...and I’ll just sit around and wait for you to do that. Good grief! A normal, loving husband would say something like “I won’t rest until I find you” and would make every effort to follow through. JMO

Not only the no questions asked position, but I think my husband might tell them (whoever "took me") to look out for him. No ransom to that person or them, but a huge payment to someone to find me and them. Turn the tables. Work with FBI, hire PI's, whatever. This wouldn't be thrown under the carpet and just back to his life.
moo

 

[CSIDreamer]

How far was the photo spot of her from the motor home?

Not sure. He just said a photo existed as I recall. I'll see if I can find his post.

 

[CSIDreamer]

How far was the photo spot of her from the motor home?

From July 22, 2019, thread # 2:

Unfortunately this is my own opinion. I can only confirm Robbie's family told me he was going through the photos with detectives, and was unavailable to speak on the occasion I tried to get through to him. I deduce that his story and the photos, particularly the well referenced 360 photo, has Barbara on the scene at the correct time. Otherwise, with no proof of her on the scene, why would they spend 9 days searching? To prove she isn't there?

Strongly feel Robbie has provided substantial evidence of Barbs being there that day, within his stated timeline.

Posted by VI @dbdb11

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

From July 22, 2019, thread # 2:

Unfortunately this is my own opinion. I can only confirm Robbie's family told me he was going through the photos with detectives, and was unavailable to speak on the occasion I tried to get through to him. I deduce that his story and the photos, particularly the well referenced 360 photo, has Barbara on the scene at the correct time. Otherwise, with no proof of her on the scene, why would they spend 9 days searching? To prove she isn't there?

Strongly feel Robbie has provided substantial evidence of Barbs being there that day, within his stated timeline.

Posted by VI @dbdb11

Also if you’re going to be taking photos of your wife on the short trip when you’re trying out your new motor home the new motorhome would probably be in the shots with your wife.

 

[kkdj]

Also if you’re going to be taking photos of your wife on the short trip when you’re trying out your new motor home the new motorhome would probably be in the shots with your wife.

Didn't they own a 5th wheel prior? So, I think you're right. A new one would deserve new pics. Was this the first time they were out in it?

 

[Lilibet]

Our VI said there was a photo of her from that day, in that location. He said he had seen it. JMO

I’ve searched for that post unsuccessfully. Can you find it? All I find is her nephew assuming there wouldn’t have been such an extensive search without proof she was there. But then we discussed that indeed they would have searched even without proof. Here is one of his posts on that subject, but perhaps there is a more definite one you can find.

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #2

ETA: I see you just posted that post by her nephew. But he’s just making an assumption, not saying he was told by LE it existed.

 

[kkdj]

So, SB county searched for BT for 9 days. That part always got me. What was so compelling that they believed she went missing from there that they searched for 9 days?

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Didn't they own a 5th wheel prior? So, I think you're right. A new one would deserve new pics. Was this the first time they were out in it?

I think he said they were trying it out for the first time. The link is probably somewhere at the beginning.

 

[kkdj]

I think he said they were trying it out for the first time. The link is probably somewhere at the beginning.

I think so too.
Wasn't there a new truck too?
We just got a new truck and 5th wheel. The truck had to be enough to pull it and a hitch put in the back of the back of the bed. Just mentioning this for reference.
I have other thoughts but won't mention them here.
Still going to take a trip with hubby tho. And my dog is coming. But I'll never go in that awful heat nor take my dog in it.

 

[Lilibet]

Regarding photos of Barbara on that day, I notice that after the post referenced above, her nephew was asked directly if he had been told by LE that Barbara was there. He never answered, at least not that I found. He may have overlooked the question among the many we were asking at that point, of course.

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[Lilibet]

So, SB county searched for BT for 9 days. That part always got me. What was so compelling that they believed she went missing from there that they searched for 9 days?

I don’t know anything about search policy, but the need to be thorough may dictate the length of the search more than compelling evidence she was there. It may have been @10ofRods who mentioned that human remains can be hard to see in the desert. Someone with SAR experience may have insight.

 

[anneg]

Our VI said there was a photo of her from that day, in that location. He said he had seen it. JMO

The photo(s) of her apparently convinced LE that she was there at the time and place RT said, and they kept the search going for over a week. No, they didn't find her, but that is not unusual as many searches are not successful even though the deceased person is in the search area. And if she was angry, she may have gone way off trail and out of the area that was searched.

IMO, RT could have been "deceptive" if he hid the fact that Barb was upset and/or they had been arguing before she left him behind.
MOO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Regarding photos of Barbara on that day, I notice that after the post referenced above, her nephew was asked directly if he had been told by LE that Barbara was there. He never answered, at least not that I found. He may have overlooked the question among the many we were asking at that point, of course.

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IIRC, the VI said that RT had told him there was a photo proving BT had been at that location on that day and that the photo had been provided to LE. LE never confirmed it (they haven't confirmed much on this case). The VI himself had not seen it.

Personally I was wary that the photo really was from that day.

Then there was also mention of a 360* photo BT had taken at the high point before they turned around to head back down. We don't know if this is the same photo the VI referred to or not. Some WS'ers speculated this meant they had a special 360* camera and that both BT and RT should have been visible in the photo. I thought it could also refer to several photos taken in panorama fashion, which might not show the photographer at all.

RT supposedly mentioned cars in a parking lot being visible in the 360* photo, and wanting LE to investigate them by license number. There is a research station a few miles away and I remember wondering if the topography would permit it (and its parking area) to be visible in a 360* photo at RT's supposed location. There are a few turnouts on the main roads that in theory could have had more than one vehicle parked there at the time, but nothing else I saw on google aerial views that could reasonably be called a parking lot.

All from my memory of earlier in the thread. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Our VI said there was a photo of her from that day, in that location. He said he had seen it. JMO

No, he said he had not seen them but was told by a case detective that they do exist. MOO

i have not seen them with my own eyes. I have been told they do exist.

case detective.

Noted.

Clearing up speculation for those of you who felt she was never even there.

Respectfully, detectives would not share ANY information with me they did not want shared elsewhere. And they have not shared much of anything with me, besides the fact they believe she was there based on photographic evidence supplied by Robbie. And ti anyone who thinks Robbie is not a suspect (including WS 'LE'), you are obviously not paying attention.

i did not confirm we have any pics of barbara from july 12. I have been told LE do have picture showin barb on the 12th.

 

[Cherwell]

A lot of projection going in this thread. People often don't do what you would do, say what you would say, or react how you would react. It's all shaped by our character, our experiences, our mentality .... everyone is different.

 

[Curiousobserver]

From July 22, 2019, thread # 2:

Unfortunately this is my own opinion. I can only confirm Robbie's family told me he was going through the photos with detectives, and was unavailable to speak on the occasion I tried to get through to him. I deduce that his story and the photos, particularly the well referenced 360 photo, has Barbara on the scene at the correct time. Otherwise, with no proof of her on the scene, why would they spend 9 days searching? To prove she isn't there?

Strongly feel Robbie has provided substantial evidence of Barbs being there that day, within his stated timeline.

Posted by VI @dbdb11

Thanks for digging that up- There is no way they put that many people on the ground for 9 days unless they saw irrefutable proof in those pictures that she was there. They have also checked out his story for a year, plenty of time to catch him in a lie. Either he is a genius or she simply got lost and succumbed in the heat. There are a million unpredictable things she might have done and as many details about what happened that we don't know; which might have led to her making that series of fatal mistakes that always seems so impossible in retrospect.

 

[Quiet Time]

dbm

 

[kkdj]

Thanks for digging that up- There is no way they put that many people on the ground for 9 days unless they saw irrefutable proof in those pictures that she was there. They have also checked out his story for a year, plenty of time to catch him in a lie. Either he is a genius or she simply got lost and succumbed in the heat. There are a million unpredictable things she might have done and as many details about what happened that we don't know; which might have led to her making that series of fatal mistakes that always seems so impossible in retrospect.

I just can't imagine her getting lost in the heat in that relatively short period of time and not being found in 9 days of searching for her. That makes zero sense. I just can't buy that scenario.
jmo
I can't help but going back to she was noticeably irritated at the doggy day center that morning, which was said to be unusual for her. Imo, to let it show was pretty big.
Next we have have the weird behavior ice purchase. And the comment about his wife in the truck. Why? Well, duh!
I went there.
Little place. Right by a main highway and a freeway iirc.
Kinda trashy area.
All kinds of people stop by there is the point. Lot's of meth heads imo. So why would they notice him?
Because he wasn't just a normal meth head. He stood out. And his comments stood out.
Because something was seriously not right.
jmo moo

 

[rosesfromangels]

I just can't imagine her getting lost in the heat and not being found in 9 days of searching for her. That makes zero sense. I just can't buy that scenario.
jmo

Use Paul Miller lost in Joshua Tree as a reference point.

 

[trujac]

Our VI said there was a photo of her from that day, in that location. He said he had seen it. JMO

That's what I recall--there was photo evidence of Barbara where she and RT were parked and where they went for their 3 mile round trip walk the day she went missing...wouldn't LE continued to gather evidence in Barbara's disappearance if they thought she was not at the sight where RT said she was last seen by him before she completely vanished? I think there is less effort in searching for the elderly on every level...call it what you will, but the younger the victim of any mishap the more impetus to assist in their recovery, imo.