CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #3

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  • #621
I wonder who's idea it was to take the trip to the Mojave?
It's so baking hot this month there.

Why an empty desert? In Mid July? Especially when you already live in the desert?

Also, it sounded very last minute,
BT spoke to her brother in Hong Kong about it just a few days before she left. On Wednesday?

Was it last minute, and whose idea was it?

And how she had to specifically mention she wouldn't have good cell service and may not be reachable.
Why go to a place that remote then? Why not somewhere else that relaxing yet near civilzation?

And then she goes missing from there.

Just mulling over these things...

Agree. And I thought RT had a cell phone. Would she not be reachable via him in that case? Or did he not take his cell on this trip? I wonder if anything changed between them after her last recent trip to Hong Kong, and maybe everyone was not on board with another trip?
 
  • #622
His media interview probably came on the heels of his polygraph and LE interview(s). I'm sure the line of questioning was a kick in the gut. Tough questions. I believe with the love note mention, it was him on the defensive. Trying to show evidence that all was fine between the two of them. The more he does this - the more he will be eaten alive in the court of public opinion.

If I could advise him - it would be to be fully honest with investigators, period. That you have zero to prove to a bunch of strangers. Oh, and absolutely no more media interviews.
Emph. mine

Ita ^^^
 
  • #623
I don't believe her husband had anything whatsoever to do with this. He needs sympathy. I think she got lost and unfortunately is laying dead somewhere out there.
I think you're right about the laying dead somewhere out there part, but the majority of the people would disagree with the husband not having anything to do with it.

ME, I'm on the fence whether the husband is involved or not.

JMO
 
  • #624
The WS member that went to the site made it clear that they could see and hear for a long way around the area of the truck and RV. Is is possible that RT's comments were rooted in this? I mean was it so obvious (to him) that she MUST have met with soul play of some sort because that is the only thing that made sense considering he had backtracked, looked unsuccessfully for her and was able to see and hear for quite a distance?
I think that’s a possibility. He had to have either had his back turned, or know where she is. IMHO
 
  • #625
Sorry for long post, just rounding up some basic answers about the area.



Footprints are difficult to find in that hard pan Mojave Desert.

I have questions about his timing, as well. I know that it's easy for a 5 minute detour to take much longer. People estimate time in very different ways. Few people are accurate. I assume he had a watch, but I bet he didn't look at it.

If she went straight on the spur trail (and therefore didn't turn to go to where the RV was parked) she would still have hit Kelbaker Road within about a mile (a much longer walk, she would have been worried and frustrated at that point, hearing the road, but never quite getting to it). She'd have been about 1-1.5 miles south of their RV. She might even have thought the RV was stolen, since she would finally have arrived at a dirt pull-out (often, non-drivers aren't paying as much attention to turn-outs, etc; I assume he was driving).

She also may have realized she'd made a navigational mistake, but might not have been clear on how to fix it. What would she do then? Most of us would retrace our steps, right? But if she went 1-1.4 miles in the wrong direction, now she's out in the sun for at least another hour, without water and with mounting temps. If she then tried to find the "caves" (but from the wrong starting point), she would have been on yet another side trail (which may be why they searched eastward on the last couple of days of the search).



They were from Bullhead City. Arizona. No gambling, Henderson is in NV, gambling there.

Sheryl Powell and Barbara Thomas were reported missing, to two different agencies, at about the same time. Neither case got much media coverage until the next day. RT says he told police immediately of his abduction theory and we know that the Powell children said that was their theory within 24 hours of their mom going missing.



Not near at all. There's a ghost town (Kelso) about 15-20 miles away.

Essex (a real town) is about 65 miles away. Not that there's much in Essex. Amboy is closer. Still barely a town.



Yes, but if you look at google maps, if he had his back to the main trail while walking up and down that creek bed photographing things (there is a rock formation for sure), then he would not have seen her walk past on the main trail. He was off the main trail. You'd think she would have come to where he was (and could see him off the main trail, with his back to her - she could have yelled for him, I sure would).

OTOH, I'd be super super p.o'ed if I couldn't find the key to that darned (brand new) RV. And if I felt I had to stride out to find shade...I sure hope I'd have presence of mind to mark my trail somehow or find hubs to yell at him for hiding the key where I couldn't find it. We always take two sets of keys to everything when we travel, but if we are just here locally (at a park), we take one set but we keep it with us and naturally, whoever goes back first takes the key. The key-under-rock thing is so bizarre to me but people are all different.

If I thought I could travel a little eastward to some caves I might try it, but basically, if I found myself locked out of shade and comfort, half a mile from where I left my husband, and husband was supposed to following shortly, I'd go back on the trail to meet up with him and complain about the dumb idea of hiding keys under rocks. (I don't know that there are caves off Hidden Hill Road, but there are some further north - she might not have remembered exactly where the other caves/rock shelters were; but Hidden Hill Road looks like a wide dirt trail and goes for miles and miles and miles). She could therefore be almost anywhere. We just don't know what she was thinking or how well she was doing by then.

If you went to get the key and couldn't find it, you wouldn't wander off to find shade. You would wait at the camper (maybe open the awning? I dunno), or you would wander back to husband and give him a hard time until you both got back, and probably would continue to give him a hard time for a few hours afterward.
 
  • #626
Surely there are also banks in the area, right?
Depending on where their starting point in Bullhead/Laughlin area yes. If they came down 95 and crossed over the bridge to the Needles Hwy at the Avi there is a big Casino there and I'd imagine that also have cameras. In the Bullhead area there are many stores/gas stations that would potentially have cameras that would catch road traffic. It is odd that we have never heard where they started from that day, what their plans were after their stop to hike in a bikini with beer, what their final destination was that day. Very odd indeed.
 
  • #627
The WS member that went to the site made it clear that they could see and hear for a long way around the area of the truck and camper. Is is possible that RT's comments were rooted in this? I mean was it so obvious (to him) that she MUST have met with foul play of some sort because that is the only thing that made sense considering he had backtracked, looked unsuccessfully for her and was able to see and hear for quite a distance?
How far away was he from her? A half mile? You could hear someone who was a half mile away! Wow
 
  • #628
There isn't a word he has uttered so far that did not raise a red flag by everyone.

Sometimes something is what it is.
What was the word that he uttered so far that has raised a red flag with you? If you mean everyone includes yourself, that is.
 
  • #629
This is an area that is just starting to grow. Fort Mohave has two grocery stores, a hospital and a few strip malls. When I first moved here you had to go to the general store to pick up your mail and there was only one stoplight from Needles Ca. to Laughlin Nv. We have grown, but it still hard to find sidewalks on Hwy 95 from Needles to Laughlin. Its a tourist area that use to be a retirement area. I can't think of one business camera that would be helpful.
Banks, convenience stores, gas stations, drug stores. Cameras are everywhere.
 
  • #630
If you went to get the key and couldn't find it, you wouldn't wander off to find shade. You would wait at the camper (maybe open the awning? I dunno), or you would wander back to husband and give him a hard time until you both got back, and probably would continue to give him a hard time for a few hours afterward.
I wonder if she did wander back to him, but in the wrong direction. LE probably covered that area, ya think?
 
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  • #632
If you went to get the key and couldn't find it, you wouldn't wander off to find shade. You would wait at the camper (maybe open the awning? I dunno), or you would wander back to husband and give him a hard time until you both got back, and probably would continue to give him a hard time for a few hours afterward.
I agree. At 2:00, which I believe is when they supposedly set out, the RV should have been casting some shade.

I may have missed this but did he have an actual camera or was he using his phone? I’m thinking his phone would have allowed him to report accurate times for his return, how long he waited for her, etc. I know I would be constantly checking the time if I thought my husband had wandered off in the desert and was praying for him to come back any moment.

I missed that RT complained about SAR messing up a potential crime scene. If that had been me, I would be urging everyone to get out there and SEARCH! Screw the crime scene when my loved one might be dying nearby. It’s weird to me that he completely dismissed her being out there and insisted she was long gone, specifically likely to Vegas.
 
  • #633
This explanation sounds the most probable to me.

Sorry for long post, just rounding up some basic answers about the area.

“If she went straight on the spur trail (and therefore didn't turn to go to where the RV was parked) she would still have hit Kelbaker Road within about a mile (a much longer walk, she would have been worried and frustrated at that point, hearing the road, but never quite getting to it). She'd have been about 1-1.5 miles south of their RV. She might even have thought the RV was stolen, since she would finally have arrived at a dirt pull-out (often, non-drivers aren't paying as much attention to turn-outs, etc; I assume he was driving).

She also may have realized she'd made a navigational mistake, but might not have been clear on how to fix it. What would she do then? Most of us would retrace our steps, right? But if she went 1-1.4 miles in the wrong direction, now she's out in the sun for at least another hour, without water and with mounting temps. If she then tried to find the "caves" (but from the wrong starting point), she would have been on yet another side trail (which may be why they searched eastward on the last couple of days of the search).

If I thought I could travel a little eastward to some caves I might try it, but basically, if I found myself locked out of shade and comfort, half a mile from where I left my husband, and husband was supposed to following shortly, I'd go back on the trail to meet up with him and complain about the dumb idea of hiding keys under rocks. (I don't know that there are caves off Hidden Hill Road, but there are some further north - she might not have remembered exactly where the other caves/rock shelters were; but Hidden Hill Road looks like a wide dirt trail and goes for miles and miles and miles). She coulIf she went straight on the spur trail (and therefore didn't turn to go to where the RV was parked) she would still have hit Kelbaker Road within about a mile (a much longer walk, she would have been worried and frustrated at that point, hearing the road, but never quite getting to it). She'd have been about 1-1.5 miles south of their RV. She might even have thought the RV was stolen, since she would finally have arrived at a dirt pull-out (often, non-drivers aren't paying as much attention to turn-outs, etc; I assume he was driving).

She also may have realized she'd made a navigational mistake, but might not have been clear on how to fix it. What would she do then? Most of us would retrace our steps, right? But if she went 1-1.4 miles in the wrong direction, now she's out in the sun for at least another hour, without water and with mounting temps. If she then tried to find the "caves" (but from the wrong starting point), she would have been on yet another side trail (which may be why they searched eastward on the last couple of days of the search). d therefore be almost anywhere. We just don't know what she was thinking or how well she was doing by then.


I cannot imagine why two experienced hikers do not carry Wilkie Talkies with them to keep in touch with each other in case they become separated.
 
  • #634
I think if he gave LE the abduction theory, they would have advised him regarding the media interviews IMO. So either they told him no interviews and he did it anyway or they encouraged him as a strategy. What else could it be? I guess they could have not said anything about what he should do after the lie detector? JMO

The media could have very well reached out to him for a statement or interview.
 
  • #635
I missed that RT complained about SAR messing up a potential crime scene. If that had been me, I would be urging everyone to get out there and SEARCH! Screw the crime scene when my loved one might be dying nearby. It’s weird to me that he completely dismissed her being out there and insisted she was long gone, specifically likely to Vegas.
SABBM

Yes, that bit about Vegas...
Maybe a reporter could ask him to clarify ??
 
  • #636
I agree. At 2:00, which I believe is when they supposedly set out, the RV should have been casting some shade.

I may have missed this but did he have an actual camera or was he using his phone? I’m thinking his phone would have allowed him to report accurate times for his return, how long he waited for her, etc. I know I would be constantly checking the time if I thought my husband had wandered off in the desert and was praying for him to come back any moment.

I missed that RT complained about SAR messing up a potential crime scene. If that had been me, I would be urging everyone to get out there and SEARCH! Screw the crime scene when my loved one might be dying nearby. It’s weird to me that he completely dismissed her being out there and insisted she was long gone, specifically likely to Vegas.

I mean that's madness. If they'd been hiking and not seen anyone else, why would he think someone magically appeared in the desert and abducted his wife and took her to Vegas. That is suspicious in itself. Search and rescue would not immediately be thinking there was a crime, they were looking for someone who was missing/lost. He seems to be the one pushing the idea of foul play and that seems very off.
 
  • #637
How far away was he from her? A half mile? You could hear someone who was a half mile away! Wow
Apparently 5-15 minutes ahead, whatever distance she could cover in that time.
 
  • #638
There isn't a word he has uttered so far that did not raise a red flag by everyone.

Sometimes something is what it is.

BBM:

You're right.

Let's apply that here, shall we?

A husband and wife go into the desert.

Only the husband comes out.

It is what it is.

What it is, is sketchy.

JMO.
 
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  • #639
SABBM

Yes, that bit about Vegas...
Maybe a reporter could ask him to clarify ??
I believe that is what he told a family member and she posted it upthread.
 
  • #640
Why Reach behind Woman and Put Hand Behind RT's Neck?

Take a look how she is reaching behind this woman's head; even when a little distance between them she still wants to have her arm around him.
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"... even when a little distance between them she still wants to have her arm around him..."

^ meaning what? Maybe ...
- RT was goofing around, making faces w others - in the group or off camera - to prompt him to stand up straighten, compose expression, turn to camera for pic?
- to display affection re RT, for his sake only?
- to display affection re RT, for the camera & ppl seeing pic in future?
- jealousy/territorial marking, to remind the woman between them that RT 'belongs' to BT, not other woman. Purely speculation, no basis: IDK who she is.
- to straighten up his collar which had been cattywampus a second before?
- none of the above?

I'm drawing no conclusions about their relationship on basis of this pic or the few other clues we/I have ATM. JMO.
 
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