CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #3

[whatizzinit]

I do recall from one of the interviews that he stated he was 10 - 15 minutes behind her. I don't have the link and don't have time to find it right now but FWIW that is my recollection.

Then she was on a long straight path ahead because he statedd he was just putting his camera AWAY when he saw her round the corner (10-15 minutes away)

 

[kkdj]

I would say if I have ever written my hubby a note, it would be to put something in writing he couldn't seem to understand coming from my mouth.
So, with all of our different perspectives on why she wrote him those notes, we really don't know why. Just that she seems to have written him notes sometimes. We don't know how often and we don't know how long ago the ones he showed were from.
ETA
If she's there with him all the time unless he left alone, why write those notes? They went to bed together, woke up together. I don't get it. It feels strange to me.
But maybe it was just one of their little things they did.

 

[lonetraveler]

I do recall from one of the interviews that he stated he was 10 - 15 minutes behind her. I don't have the link and don't have time to find it right now but FWIW that is my recollection.

I totally mis-remembered the minutes. Disregard my post please. The VI earlier posted that RT had said that it was 5 - 10 minutes. However, this correct timing makes it even more difficult to believe her just "vanishing".

 

[Knox]

You go through Essex to get off at Kelbaker Rd. Ludlow is roughly another 25 miles west of Kelbaker on the 40.

I had that same thought. Having just discovered Peter Hyatt, he says, in effect, let the person's words guide you. There is no need for interpretation as they will tell you what they are thinking. Which reminds me, LOL, I meant to check his blog to see whether he's done any Statement Analysis of this case.

Thought I would let you know we can't link to PH here at WS. I would tread lightly on mentioning his work also.

 

[Knox]

I'd be curious to know what time they left home that morning. According to Google maps, if they went the most direct way via I-40, the trip to Kelbaker/Hidden Hill Roads, with normal traffic, should have taken just over an hour and a half.

So, for example, if he said they left at 7 am, only stopped to go for their 2 mile walk, and discovered her gone either noon or 2:30, then what happened in the span of all those hours between?

And if the rv was caught on the only I-40 traffic camera at Havasu, was the amount of time between seen on that camera and departing home consistent with what it should have been?

ETA: And, referring to the Havasu camera, if too much time had elapsed, then was there another stop he didn't admit to before he even got to Kelbaker?

Havasu is not in that area.

 

[iscaremyself]

Curious about the “cave” RT mentioned. If they discovered it on this trip, since there is no confirmation they had been here previously, and were also headed BACK to the camper - would she not have had to pass him to go back to the cave? Seems odd he went and looked there. JMO

the cave could have been back in the direction of 'around the corner'.
I was climbing that rock pile monday,,there's all kinds of huge jumbled boulders/rocks making cave like openings.

 

[artsy1]

Havasu is not in that area.

You are correct, I was trying to put 2 separate maps together. Havasu is further south. So no traffic cameras on the 40 then.

ETA: At least DOT cameras. Don't know if local LE has cameras on the 40 that don't show on DOT map.

 

[whatizzinit]

the cave could have been back in the direction of 'around the corner'.
I was climbing that rock pile monday,,there's all kinds of huge jumbled boulders/rocks making cave like openings.

Understood. But then RT would have passed it on way back to RV? Would it be visibly someone was in there.

 

[whatizzinit]

I would say if I have ever written my hubby a note, it would be to put something in writing he couldn't seem to understand coming from my mouth.
So, with all of our different perspectives on why she wrote him those notes, we really don't know why. Just that she seems to have written him notes sometimes. We don't know how often and we don't know how long ago the ones he showed were from.
ETA
If she's there with him all the time unless he left alone, why write those notes? They went to bed together, woke up together. I don't get it. It feels strange to me.
But maybe it was just one their little things they did.

IF she wrote them

 

[artsy1]

Ok, safer way to do this as just Bullhead City, not specific address.

Google Maps

 

[Stripehaven]

The other thing I’m thinking about - and this is not musing about guilt or innocence or anything, really - but (how do I say this?) if you put a note under someone’s pillow, would they know it was there? Or would you be right there with them, preparing to go to bed at the same time, and prompt them to look under the pillow? He did say “under,” right?

If you go to bed together, you would be right there when the note is read. Seems funny.

I could see leaving a note ON the pillow if you weren’t going to be there when hubby hit the sack.

 

[GordianKnot]

Same for me. Why immediately show off these notes? What is the intention- if you love someone truly, no need to try to prove it. Who knows.

BBM:

Diversion. Distraction.

JMO.

 

[PaulR]

BBM:

Diversion. Distraction.

JMO.

Why do you think that?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Curious about the “cave” RT mentioned. If they discovered it on this trip, since there is no confirmation they had been here previously, and were also headed BACK to the camper - would she not have had to pass him to go back to the cave? Seems odd he went and looked there. JMO

I've wondered where this was as well. I’ve also thought since it was a new discovery that he should likely have a picture of it since it would probably be more interesting than a rock formation. Imho

Same for me. Why immediately show off these notes? What is the intention- if you love someone truly, no need to try to prove it. Who knows.

I question showing them too as it doesn’t seem to be something I would reach for. But, he likely is trying to prove his innocence and may have grabbed for that reason. I can see both sides, in love and troubled as the reason for notes. Personally I often exchanged notes with my spouse in the beginning of our relationship. We have now combined both of ours and save in a special box, over 20 years.

You are correct, I was trying to put 2 separate maps together. Havasu is further south. So no traffic cameras on the 40 then.

ETA: At least DOT cameras. Don't know if local LE has cameras on the 40 that don't show on DOT map.

I haven’t looked, but how about business cameras, convenience stores, etc.

 

[leomoon]

BBM:

Diversion. Distraction.

JMO.

I think it is either/or. Trying to put myself in their shoes for a moment, under my bed and after a very long marriage of almost 5 decades now, I have saved loving notes on cards from my husband each birthday or anniversary. Not all of course, but some which touched me more then others.

BUT if my husband were suddenly missing, "poof" around a corner, that is the LAST thing I'd ever think of pulling out for an interview in such a crucial time as this.

Just sayin'....

and realizing of course, everyone is different. But honestly, I know my husband wouldn't either. Not in a million years, he is FAR more emotional then I am and probably wouldn't be able to string 10 words together, even a year later.

 

[artsy1]

DBM

 

[MrsWatson]

This is an incredibly weird case.

 

[Micheline]

Not to pick everything apart but I’ll just note that “love of my life” is another thing a lot of perps say when interviewed on Dateline and such.

Yes they all do, while showing a collection of love notes fabricated by themselves.

 

[10ofRods]

What's going through my mind- we have a 2 and a half hour time discrepancy. He tells Barbara's brother one time (noon) and LE another time- 2:30. RT told a family member it took LE two hours to get there, when in fact, he didn't call until later, as he went to search for her. So his story changing is his own doing, not the media's or LE.

Or the family misheard/misunderstood. He could have said, "It started getting hot and I got very worried so I called police." For them, "noon" might be the hour of "starting to get hot." We just don't know the actual words and I doubt any of them were in a state of mind to remember details very well.

It does make a difference to the narrative, and to the timeline that LE must be working on. If they arrived at their walking spot around 1:30 and he last saw her at 2:30-ish and called police at 3:30-ish, it's likely they left home around 11 am. That gives Bullhead City police something to go on when reviewing security camera footage.

Since I don't believe for a minute that Barbara went back to the rock formations that they had gone to visit or that she walked off trail or onto a minor trail to visit more rock formations on her own, I think the very extensive search and the call-in of rock climbers and the checking of crags from top to bottom was an attempt to locate a body - but not a person who "fell" into a crevice. She didn't climb to the top of some slippery rocks and then slip and fall (without crying out) into a crevice and immediately die in a crevice. MOO.

 

[IceIce9]

It could be genuine, but it's never really that easy to tell when you are on the outside of a relationship, especially from a few pictures.

What might look like love can actually be more like obsession or control.
The fact that he always has an arm around her in pictures can also be a sign that he is possessive of her.

Her love notes to him may have been her own choice, but that doesn't mean she could not have been trying to reassure him of her love for him.

We really don't have enough information to say one way or another, but just because he showed the media evidence of their love for one another does not mean that she truly was the love of his life.

We also don't know what his idea of "love" is.

I thought the way he had his arm around her could have indicated possessiveness.

Does she have any friends who have spoken about her, their relationship, etc?

He can claim the notes were written by her and left on his pillow but she isn’t around to confirm. He could say she fed him breakfast in bed every morning and there is no way to prove it.

Not saying this is the case, but in some instances similar things have been stated by the husband/boyfriend.