CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #4

[Twistinginthewind]

Barbara has been missing for 3 weeks.

If she was injured or was overcome by the heat or became lost while heading back to their vehicle (within 5 - 10 minutes walk from the road and ahead of her husband and where their RV was parked as RT described) I believe LE and SAR would have found her after searching with all resources to hand for more than a week.

If she was kidnapped for ransom and / or other felonious / criminal reasons, I believe the person(s) who were holding her would have made a demand by now (not that the public would know about it), and LE is aware of it and is proceeding with their investigation into it.

If she disappeared intentionally, I believe it would have been pretty difficult to plan for without a cell phone in the middle of the desert, and there were no indications that she had any reason to do so when she had plane tickets and was just about to travel overseas to be with her sick brother the following week.

If she was abducted by a random passerby as she came into view of the road and / or approached or entered their RV ahead of her husband, I believe her abductor must have been intent on assaulting her and would likely have taken her hostage and / or silenced her thereafter, and she could be anywhere and LE would have a monumental task on their hands trying to find her. But they said they don't believe she was abducted from such a remote location.

If there are other scenarios that are plausible under the circumstances, they seem to be even more far fetched, IMO. Her disappearance is dumbfounding to me, as I've said before (well, I actually said 'perplexing', but either word feels right to me).

I wish BT could send a message to her loved ones that she is okay. Time will tell, thinking of her and her loved ones and hoping for an outcome that includes her being alive and well somewhere!! MOO

 

[LietKynes]

Hang in there, Chi.
Appreciate your insightful posts and concern for the missing.

The longer this drags out--- the more I'm convinced Barbara didn't walk away from her life.
Just a sinking feeling.
I am sorry for the ones who truly love her !!

 

[Sillybilly]

STOP discussing other members or a loss of posting privileges will be imposed.

 

[chihuahua]

Hoping tomorrow when I come back there is official news for BT.
Keeping what hope we can alive
Chi

 

[castilloisno1]

Just wish we could hear some news about her soon. I fear she is gone and it makes me sad. She seems like she would have been a great person to have in one's life!

 

[Micheline]

Right, no evidence meaning something that would indicate she was there.
If they had found her hat, beer cup, a flip flop, or something she was wearing, that would confirm that she was there.
It doesn't mean they think she had never been there at all. They would need more than that, I would assume, to come to that conclusion. And if they had that evidence, I'm assuming they would be following up on whatever leads they have. Imo

A flip-flop or a beer cup would not be considered evidence she was there IMO.

 

[k-mac]

the silence is suddenly really deafening on this case.
like crickets chirping ...………...

why aren't the media interested in this story?

 

[katydid23]

A flip-flop or a beer cup would not be considered evidence she was there IMO.

If it had her DNA, it could support RT's version of events. Unless he staged it?

 

[crhedBngr]

If it had her DNA, it could support RT's version of events. Unless he staged it?

I think this may be the case.

JMVHO.

 

[katydid23]

the silence is suddenly really deafening on this case.
like crickets chirping ...………...

why aren't the media interested in this story?

It seems like the immediate family is often the catalyst to keep media engaged.

When LE is not releasing any evidence at all, and the immediate family is not out being interviewed in the media, asking for the public's help, it turns into *crickets, fast.

 

[al66pine]

Evidence of Her Presence, or Not?

A flip-flop or a beer cup would not be considered evidence she was there IMO.

@Micheline Thanks for your post.
Good point, ^ may not be evidence of BT's presence there at pull-out/hiking sight. But may be.
Conceivably, could be evidence of someone planting an item to misdirect LE & SAR into concluding she was there. JMO.

Trying to think of ways LE could distinguish which ^ is but not coming up w anything. JMO.
ETA: looks like @crhedBngr had same idea, but was typing faster. LOL.

 

[MsFacetious]

Even if it didn't prove she was there, it would at least be a SIGN or some piece of evidence. They found nothing at all.

 

[crhedBngr]

She sounds like a real hoot. Against the odds, I pray this gal turns up and has been on a grand adventure.

Yes, she does. I bet she would walk up to someone else hiking through the desert, and strike up a conversation. I get the feeling she is outgoing.

What a huge, huge loss if BT is no longer with us!

JMVHO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

the silence is suddenly really deafening on this case.
like crickets chirping ...………...

why aren't the media interested in this story?

I wonder if there are some 'big fish' involved, and things are being kept quiet for now while LE jumps over some hurdles to get what they need in place to make an arrest. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I think this may be the case.

JMVHO.

This question, about finding/not finding a flip-flop, or a beer mug, at the scene-----

I don't know if it proves anything, one way or the other.

The lack of those things, doesn't mean she was not there. But it also doesn't mean she wasn't abducted.


If they were found, lying in the road, would we think it meant she was abducted? I think I would still possibly doubt it. I'm skeptical.

 

[10ofRods]

Buried is one thing. Having fallen in to a deep mine shaft, well or other open-hole feature is another.

Since they called in technical climbers, I'm pretty sure they were aware that there were crevices within the search area. @PommyMommy just posted a list of known mine shafts, I'm sure there are also unknown ones, but they tend to be in areas where the others are (where there were and still are mining operations). Rock hounds love these places and know them well. Which is why a large PR campaign would benefit the cause of finding Barbara, but also desert awareness.

There were no mine shafts mentioned by the SAR team in their work on the Barbara Thomas MP case. That doesn't mean there are none, but it's not an area that's had a lot of mining. Still, stranger things have happened.

So many crevices (not really crevasses) and at such peculiar angles...but if there were a dead body there, I think the dogs would have found the body.

I'm sorry about this. No trace at all? That must have been agonizing to everyone.

Yeah, his dog came back. Many of us went up well after the search was over. He had a backpack - that was never found either. Drove his older brother absolutely crazy, as in he went through a series of conspiracy theories. But Peter is still missing.

 

[mickey2942]

the silence is suddenly really deafening on this case.
like crickets chirping ...………...

why aren't the media interested in this story?

Because of the issues with slander. There may be a lot of interesting nuggets for a news story. But until the perpetrator is formally charged and arrested, there isn't much to report that is unbiased at this point in time.

 

[Rosegold68]

wow that terrain is thicker than i thought....i was imagining bare stretches sandy with few rocks

she was wearing black? she could be lying so well camouflaged that she would be easy to miss.....if she was on top of her red cap then she would be blending in perfectly with her surroundings, completely hidden

shes tiny as well.

 

[Micheline]

This question, about finding/not finding a flip-flop, or a beer mug, at the scene-----

I don't know if it proves anything, one way or the other.

The lack of those things, don't mean she was not there. But it also doesn't mean she wasn't abducted.


If they were found, lying in the road, would we think it meant she was abducted? I think I would still possibly doubt it. I'm skeptical.

It does not prove anything IMO.

I am wondering what would be considered evidence she has been there other than a time stamped picture.

I do not know the area in any way, but if Robert pointed out where they walked, could there anywhere be if only a tiny a trace of the footsteps of both of their boots maybe?

 

[MsFacetious]

Yes, she does. I bet she would walk up to someone else hiking through the desert, and strike up a conversation. I get the feeling she is outgoing.

What a huge, huge loss if BT is no longer with us!

JMVHO.

Barb reminds me of my Aunt B, who passed away in 2013. They would have been great friends. My aunt totally would have gone hiking, in the desert, drinking a beer at that age.

I'm not even that fun now, so I know I won't be at that age! My dad broke his first bone at the age, his femur. Some peeps get more adventurous with age.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Even if it didn't prove she was there, it would at least be a SIGN or some piece of evidence. They found nothing at all.

Not even footprints?