CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[Jo in Calif]

Maybe LE has done all of that evidence collection and the lawyer has been told that by them. JMO

Nope not going to happen, IMO
LE isn't going to tell his lawyer squat if they are still investigating. Which IMO they are.

 

[Knox]

Not according to him. Just an hour. That's why the 3:26 911 call is important. That means he searched from about 2:30-3:30

People can be really bad with clock time. So I'm going with the dispatch call and the surveillance/dog kennel as book ends. RT would have lost sight of her around 2:20.

Where were they the rest of the day? Why didn't he say, in his attempt to capture the abductors? One type of abductor (a common type) would be following them.

Why hasn't the attorney (who is "frantically" trying to bring Barb back) given a public statement saying exactly where Barb's abductors may have been seen that day (so that CCTV footage could be gotten before it's deleted? Why no urgency in engaging the public in collecting all that footage, if it exists?)

Each place the Thomases stopped was a place that some bad guy might have been seen and it's more likely that someone followed them (perhaps intending to ambush both of them) than that Barbara just happened to be crossing the road when that 1 car every 10 minutes came by and contained an abductor.

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What did they do from 10:45 to 1:20? Sit around the trailer and wait for the hottest part of the day to go walk out to the rocks? Who does that, it makes zero sense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Nope not going to happen, IMO
LE isn't going to tell his lawyer squat if they are still investigating. Which IMO they are.

Okay. Maybe the lawyer assumed like I do that LE has collected that evidence.

Or perhaps the lawyer knocked on a few doors and asked for video and was told that LE already has that and you're not getting it.

JMO

 

[mrsNKY]

It is so hard for me to allude that he had something to do with her disappearance. Although possible, after watching so much true crime shows, it can often just be an accident as well. Heat does weird things to people and so do tempers!! This can go either way. I’m waffling.

 

[MimosaMornings]

What did they do from 10:45 to 1:20? Sit around the trailer and wait for the hottest part of the day to go walk out to the rocks? Who does that, it makes zero sense.

IDK...maybe have a cold beer and a snack? Set up chairs under the awning of the rv?
A little couple time?

 

[kay74]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean. Are you saying that if RT hasn't been arrested by now, that's unlikely to happen? I confess to watching Dateline way too much -- LE often doesn't arrest suspects until they feel they have enough evidence, and that can take a very long time.

I agree that BT could still be out in the desert somewhere. If she's there, the question is, where is she and how did she get there?

JMO

Maybe it's just me thinking he's innocent. I think she is out there in the desert I think she wondered off and possibly the beer and heat contributed to this.

 

[LietKynes]

There wasn't a single large rock in between where RT says he last saw her and their RV. She'd have needed to walk a mile to get to those - when she could walk a quarter mile and use the RV, which was new and obviously purchased just for that purpose.

Which is why I keep saying that if she decided to prolong her hike by at least another 40 minutes, without water, and with the day getting even hotter, while avoiding the RV in order to get to some rock where she could pee, she was not in her right mind, IMO.

By "large" I mean at least 3 feet tall.

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Those pretty yellow "flowers" are cholla - one of the most painful cacti of the desert. And those pretty landscaping type sword shaped plants have needles on the end of them that have ruined many a vacation - you don't even brush up against them without getting a very stinging toxin.

So...yeah...you'd pee right on the trail and it's not always deserted. And frowned upon by true nature types, who will shout at you if they see you. Good times. Barb would not have done that.

Personally, if I had to pee and I was hot and my DH decided to take a picture, I'd be more than irritated. I'd be pret' darned mad. My pace would quicken. I certainly would not head back to desolate rocks. I'd be in that RV lickety split.

Keep in mind that the RV was visible from near the place where RT was allegedly taking his last photos (apparently of the creek bed).

BBM

Re. the bolded : Interesting and it makes no sense she could've wandered anywhere out there.
So basically no rocks large enough to obscure her view of the RV, and if RT is correct-- a direct view of the RV from where they separated and she walked back ?

Someone in the first thread posted photos of that desert and the pics showed large boulders everywhere.
Those rocks looked over 5' in height.

Possibly the poster uploaded photos of the same desert but a different area ?
I can re-post the pics later.

 

[LietKynes]

IDK...maybe have a cold beer and a snack? Set up chairs under the awning of the rv?
A little couple time?

When LE and SAR arrived, were the chairs still out beside the 5th wheel ?
Or had they been packed away already ?
The VI might know this.
There's a reason I'm asking this question.

 

[LAhiker]

BBM

Re. the bolded : Interesting and it makes no sense she could've wandered anywhere out there.
So basically no rocks large enough to obscure her view of the RV, and if RT is correct-- a direct view of the RV from where they separated and she walked back ?

Someone in the first thread posted photos of that desert and the pics showed large boulders everywhere.
Those rocks looked over 5' in height.

Possibly the poster (no offense to whomever ) uploaded photos of the same desert but a different area ?
I can re-post the pics later.

If you're referring to @sroad's photos, they were taken in the area searched and referred to by LE. I think the point was that the rock formations were not between where RT said BT was when she disappeared and the RV. The rock formation and boulders were a bit further out.

If, as RT says, she disappeared on the way back to the RV, within 1/4 and 1/2 mile of the Kelbaker Rd/Hidden Hill intersection, that's apparently a path through a fairly flat and open area, from which the RV should have been visible. JMO

 

[k-mac]

BBM

Re. the bolded : Interesting and it makes no sense she could've wandered anywhere out there.
So basically no rocks large enough to obscure her view of the RV, and if RT is correct-- a direct view of the RV from where they separated and she walked back ?

Someone in the first thread posted photos of that desert and the pics showed large boulders everywhere.
Those rocks looked over 5' in height.

Possibly the poster uploaded photos of the same desert but a different area ?
I can re-post the pics later.

It makes barb look like a dill pickle who had no idea how to dress, drink or behave out in the desert the got lost theories imo.

this woman was a very experienced 'dessert rat' . they were by no means anywhere likely for an experienced hiker such as herself to get lost on her way back to her RV....and an extensive search party never find a trace of her.

I buy into the abduction theory first. and that isn't on my radar

poor barb. something nefarious happened to her...and I don't think for a second she brought it on herself by her own actions.

moo

 

[LietKynes]

If you're referring to @sroad's photos, they were taken in the area searched and referred to by LE. I think the point was that the rock formations were not between where RT said BT was when she disappeared and the RV. The rock formation and boulders were a bit further out.

If, as RT says, she disappeared on the way back to the RV, within 1/4 and 1/2 mile of the Kelbaker Rd/Hidden Hill intersection, that's apparently a path through a fairly flat and open area, from which the RV should have been visible. JMO

Thanks for clarifying. ^^^

Hoping for a break soon. Feeling very sad for this lady and those who love her !

 

[Stripehaven]

If you're referring to @sroad's photos, they were taken in the area searched and referred to by LE. I think the point was that the rock formations were not between where RT said BT was when she disappeared and the RV. The rock formation and boulders were a bit further out.

If, as RT says, she disappeared on the way back to the RV, within 1/4 and 1/2 mile of the Kelbaker Rd/Hidden Hill intersection, that's apparently a path through a fairly flat and open area, from which the RV should have been visible. JMO

And the path was said to be clear and obvious as well.

 

[PajamaSleuth]

Well, it's JMO, but knock me over with a feather if these two weren't quarreling that day

The kennel said BT seemed 'angry & aggravated' - and that was not normal

RT asked her to 'stay' while he took more pics...she didn't

He thought she just might be out in some cave. Why?

Mayhap because they had argued & he thought she might have taken off to some cave or off the trail because she didn't particularly care for the sight of him at the moment...?

Things weren't normal that morning.....& the kennel staff, at the least, are the eyewitnesses to that fact

JMO

I have had a vague, similar feeling — that the two of them were quarreling that day. I had not broken it down so clearly as you did. Thank you.

So, IF they were not getting along, and BT went off on her own ... could it be that RT didn’t really do his best to locate her? Could he possibly be charged with negligence or something?

Just my opinion and musings.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I would honestly rather find out that they had a wonderful marriage and Barbara just somehow wandered off.

I'm failing miserably.

 

[KALI]

Sorry if asked and answered. Do we even know she was there? Witnesses?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I wonder if the RV awning and chairs were actually set up as the VI mentioned. Because if they were, why would BT have gone off to a cave to find shade? Even if she couldn't find the hidden key to get inside, she would have had shade to sit in while she waited for RT to catch up.

Also, here's an anecdote that I initially thought was unrelated to this case but then I remembered how new their truck and RV are:

In 1990 I took my brand spanking new Toyota pickup out to Anza-Borrego State Park in California to camp with a few friends.

We did a day hike one hot morning and got back to the truck at the trailhead at noon, just as we drank the last of our water. We were hot and wanted to sit in the shade for a few minutes before climbing back in the truck. The sun was directly overhead, so there WAS no shade at the trailhead -- except -- under the truck! This was a 4wd truck so more room underneath than a car, and it had less than 500 miles on it so everything was still clean and shiny under there. We lay on our backs and asked my friend's husband what this tube or that cable was... After about fifteen minutes we had cooled down and were ready to move along.

So, just thinking about their brand new truck and RV that, in an emergency, could have provided shade if none could otherwise be found...

 

[GordianKnot]

Sorry if asked and answered. Do we even know she was there? Witnesses?

No. We don't know if she was even there.

The only witness that puts her there that we know of is RT.

This of course being the same RT who went on national tv and announced LE told him the results of his poly showed he was being deceptive, and that he was the "prime suspect."

So, make of that what you will.

Presumably, LE knows more than we do.

Although they've said that they found no evidence or trace of her there.

So make of that what you will, too.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

rsbbm,



The same reason why some folks place their house keys in their shoe/flip-flop at the beach: so they don't lose the keys in the ocean or somewhere in the sand.

While hiking, you might climb rock formations, explore around brush, bushes, etc. Imagine, after returning to your vehicle after a 2-mile exploratory hike you discover your keys are no longer in the pocket in to which you placed them.

Place them under a rock somewhere close/r to your vehicle, you may reasonably expect the keys to still be there when you return from your x-miles hike-a-bout...

Right. But since I have a Ford, with the same kind of keyless code entry, that RT has in his Ford truck, I never place my keys in my flip-flops on the sand. I hide them under my car seat, lock my Explorer, and use the code to get them when I am ready to leave.

So I don't understand why he'd put the keys to 100k worth of vehicles, under a rock, instead of locking them inside his truck.

 

[PommyMommy]

If you're referring to @sroad's photos, they were taken in the area searched and referred to by LE. I think the point was that the rock formations were not between where RT said BT was when she disappeared and the RV. The rock formation and boulders were a bit further out.

If, as RT says, she disappeared on the way back to the RV, within 1/4 and 1/2 mile of the Kelbaker Rd/Hidden Hill intersection, that's apparently a path through a fairly flat and open area, from which the RV should have been visible. JMO

Right. sroad said you could see Kelbaker Road from the trail.

And before anyone spends time searching for them, they're much easier to find in the media thread. Lots and lots of photos on page 2.

AZ - AZ - Barbara Thomas, 69, Timeline, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[Yvettea]

If you're referring to @sroad's photos, they were taken in the area searched and referred to by LE. I think the point was that the rock formations were not between where RT said BT was when she disappeared and the RV. The rock formation and boulders were a bit further out.

If, as RT says, she disappeared on the way back to the RV, within 1/4 and 1/2 mile of the Kelbaker Rd/Hidden Hill intersection, that's apparently a path through a fairly flat and open area, from which the RV should have been visible. JMO

Then how did Barbara disappear when she turned at a rock formation? And why would LE search so hard based on an obvious lie?