CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #9

[LietKynes]

I still think that there are more than one possible reason for BT's disappearance.

She could have become dehydrated leading to disorientation which caused her to walk away from the RV instead of towards it. She could still be out there somewhere.

Another possible scenario is she only diverged enough to miss the RV but found the road where she was picked up by unknown persons never to be found in the area where she was last seen.

Or RT did her in for some unknown reason leaving such a small amount of evidence of his crime that he is a free man to this day. JMO

BBM

If harm's been done I want justice for this lady !

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[MassGuy]

I still think that there are more than one possible reason for BT's disappearance.

She could have become dehydrated leading to disorientation which caused her to walk away from the RV instead of towards it. She could still be out there somewhere.

Another possible scenario is she only diverged enough to miss the RV but found the road where she was picked up by unknown persons never to be found in the area where she was last seen.

Or RT did her in for some unknown reason leaving such a small amount of evidence of his crime that he is a free man to this day. JMO

Normally there is a simple, non-nefarious explanation for a disappearance like this.

The factors in those cases though, don’t seem to be present here.

Besides that, I don’t believe she could have traveled a great distance, certainly not far enough to get outside the search radius.

If Barb is ever found, I don’t believe it is going to be anywhere near that area.

Atleast further away than she could have possibly traveled on foot.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Normally there is a simple, non-nefarious explanation for a disappearance like this.

The factors in those cases though, don’t seem to be present here.

Besides that, I don’t believe she could have traveled a great distance, certainly not far enough to get outside the search radius.

If Barb is ever found, I don’t believe it is going to be anywhere near that area.

Atleast further away than she could have possibly traveled on foot.

One of my possible scenarios doesn't include traveling a great distance.

BT could have missed the RV slightly but found the road where persons unknown picked her up, taking her away from the search area. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

One of my possible scenarios doesn't include traveling a great distance.

BT could have missed the RV slightly but found the road where persons unknown picked her up, taking her away from the search area. JMO

I think that’s the least likely scenario out of any of them.

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that. Way too many leaps have to be made.

If she planned it, then where the hell is she?

How did she do it without leaving a trace?

Why would she do that in the first place?

 

[LietKynes]

Did something happen to Barbara ??
We don't know.
Since LE ruled out an abduction there isn't much left .
As experienced hikers I doubt either of them would've been lost on what appeared to be a shorter hike and according to @sroad ; a fairly clear path.

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But some more facts would be a good development at this point in the investigation.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that’s the least likely scenario out of any of them.

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that. Way too many leaps have to be made.

If she planned it, then where the hell is she?

How did she do it without leaving a trace?

Why would she do that in the first place?

I don't know if it's the least likely or not using the very limited information we have. There are no leaps as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not saying that BT planned to do anything that caused her own disappearance.

That would be weird. JMO.

 

[Sunnymicki]

Normally there is a simple, non-nefarious explanation for a disappearance like this.

The factors in those cases though, don’t seem to be present here.

Besides that, I don’t believe she could have traveled a great distance, certainly not far enough to get outside the search radius.

If Barb is ever found, I don’t believe it is going to be anywhere near that area.

Atleast further away than she could have possibly traveled on foot.

BBM

I agree.

Hypothetically speaking (and MOO of course), if a woman was found dead, possibly murdered, further away than she could have traveled by foot after disappearing from an area close to her campsite, kidnapping certainly would be a "good" explanation for why that was the case.

And if said woman was going to get kidnapped and then dumped in the remote desert, it would help the story be more believable if she were walking alone near the highway at the time of her disappearance.

And if woman's spouse was worried that people would not believe that she would walk off alone in the desert without water or protective clothing, he might be eager to explain that she was only alone 5-10 minutes (and did I mention conveniently close to said highway?) before she disappeared.

The story of the circumstances of the disappearance doesn't make much sense to me unless viewed through the above lens.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well since LE ruled out an abduction there isn't much left .
As experienced hikers I doubt either of them would've been lost on what appeared to be a shorter hike and according to @sroad ; a fairly clear path.

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But I agree with you that some more facts would be a good development at this point in the investigation.

LE hasn't ruled out an abduction.

Very very early in this case they said they didn't have any evidence of an abduction. There could be a number of reasons for that while still allowing for it to be a possibility.

Experienced hikers are not immune to having problems while in the elements.

Many can think all sorts of things about RT.

I'm waiting for facts. JMO

 

[BeachSky]

BBM

I agree.

Hypothetically speaking (and MOO of course), if a woman was found dead, possibly murdered, further away than she could have traveled by foot after disappearing from an area close to her campsite, kidnapping certainly would be a "good" explanation for why that was the case.

And if said woman was going to get kidnapped and then dumped in the remote desert, it would help the story be more believable if she were walking alone near the highway at the time of her disappearance.

And if woman's spouse was worried that people would not believe that she would walk off alone in the desert without water or protective clothing, he might be eager to explain that she was only alone 5-10 minutes (and did I mention conveniently close to said highway?) before she disappeared.

The story of the circumstances of the disappearance doesn't make much sense to me unless viewed through the above lens.

This! Bravo!



JMO
A crime is like a sound. It does not exist if there is no one there to hear it.

 

[LietKynes]

bmrw
I think there are more msm sites that seem to state LE do not believe she was kidnapped.
My .02 is that they've ruled this out.
Not saying that couldn't change, but I doubt it.

California police say missing hiker who disappeared in her bikini ; was NOT abducted

"...The Californian police looking for a missing grandmother whose husband says she disappeared into her bikini 10 days ago while walking outside rejected his hypothesis that she had been abducted...."


Daily searches suspended for bikini-clad woman who vanished in Mojave Desert | Fox News

"....he believes his wife was taken against her will because of what she was wearing and the beer she had...."
Again with the odd emphasis on her attire and the beer.
Not sure why RT couldn't just say a 'can' or beer or if it was a container/cooler.
Only b/c if she was taken against her will -- wouldn't she have dropped it ?
That would be a clue if someone found it by the road.

 

[wary]

I think that’s the least likely scenario out of any of them.

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that. Way too many leaps have to be made.

If she planned it, then where the hell is she?

How did she do it without leaving a trace?

Why would she do that in the first place?

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that, unless it does happen like that.

Suzanne Eaton.

I agree that it’s very unlikely, but it’s only impossible things that don’t happen, not very unlikely things,

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think there are more msm sites that seem to state LE do not believe she was kidnapped.
My .02 is that they've ruled this out.
Not saying that couldn't change, but I doubt it.

California police say missing hiker who disappeared in her bikini ; was NOT abducted

"...The Californian police looking for a missing grandmother whose husband says she disappeared into her bikini 10 days ago while walking outside rejected his hypothesis that she had been abducted...."

When you find a direct quote from LE stating they have ruled out an abduction I will agree with you.

 

[MassGuy]

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that, unless it does happen like that.

Suzanne Eaton.

I agree that it’s very unlikely, but it’s only impossible things that don’t happen, not very unlikely things,

That crime happened nothing like this one though.

I’m not understanding the comparison.

Predators troll around and attack and murder women they don’t know at an all too common frequency.

That does happen.

Mollie Tibbetts, Vanessa Marcotte.

The difference here is that a lot of perfect things had to come together for a guy to pull that off in this situation.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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I find it interesting when people say BT wouldn't wear that in the desert sun and heat because of her being an experienced desert hiker.

And since she was an experienced desert hiker she wouldn't succumb to dehydration and become disorientated.

Just doesn't make sense.

But it does make sense if someone want's to blame RT for BT's disappearance.

Fascinating.

 

[LietKynes]

When you find a direct quote from LE stating they have ruled out an abduction I will agree with you.

If you want to disagree that's fine.
We can "agree to disagree" , lol.
Different opinions have opened my mind to new possibilities.

As far as what I think LE believe, "dismissed", "rejected", and "refuted" (from previous links I've supplied) sound like "ruled out".

I think LE are stymied without a body.

Sad to say I believe Barbara is no longer of this world.
It'd be wonderful to be completely wrong !
MOO

 

[wary]

That crime happened nothing like this one though.

I’m not understanding the comparison.

Predators troll around and attack and murder women they don’t know at an all too common frequency.

That does happen.

Mollie Tibbetts, Vanessa Marcotte.

The difference here is that a lot of perfect things had to come together for a guy to pull that off in this situation.

I named Suzanne Eaton because of her age, and because car-as-weapon seems to offer some interesting opportunities to a killer.

As for the perfect things: predator/victim/lack of witnesses. What else?

It’s not my first theory, but I don’t understand what needed to be so perfect.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If you want to disagree that's fine.
We can agree to disagree.
Different opinions have opened my mind to new possibilities.

As far as what I think LE believe, "dismissed", "rejected", and "refuted" (from previous links I've supplied) sound like "ruled out".
I think LE are stymied without a body.

Sad to say I believe Barbara is no longer of this world.
It'd be wonderful to be completely wrong !
MOO

Those were all interpretations made by the authors of those articles not quotes of LE.

I'm saying that I do not believe that LE has ruled out an abduction because I haven't heard them say that.

Personally I feel that an abduction is one of the possible reasons for BT's disappearance.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[MassGuy]

I named Suzanne Eaton because of her age, and because car-as-weapon seems to offer some interesting opportunities to a killer.

As for the perfect things: predator/victim/lack of witnesses. What else?

It’s not my first theory, but I don’t understand what needed to be so perfect.

This is why I think it’s too perfect.

So a predator is trolling for victims in that particular area.

This predator happens to spot the perfect victim, who has briefly separated from her husband just long enough to open the door to an abduction.

I say perfect, because here’s this woman in the middle of nowhere, all alone, wearing a bikini and carrying a beer.

This person manages to restrain her and drag her into his car.

He has the foresight (or luck) to leave no trace of her; no hat, no beer, no nothing.

Even though this is a fairly remote area, vehicles and people do pass through. No one sees a thing though.

So small time window, strange abduction location, perfect victim, and everything goes swimmingly.

 

[LietKynes]

Those were all interpretations made by the authors of those articles not quotes of LE.

I'm saying that I do not believe that LE has ruled out an abduction because I haven't heard them say that.

Personally I feel that an abduction is one of the possible reasons for BT's disappearance.

JMO

It's all ok here.

Everything has gone quiet.
I haven't found any new articles outside of last week; and am hoping this isn't going cold.
Wish I lived closer because all of the photos in the world don't mean as much as going there 'in person'.
Now that it's Sept. maybe there will be volunteers asked to participate in searches ?