CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #9

[wary]

This is why I think it’s too perfect.

So a predator is trolling for victims in that particular area.

This predator happens to spot the perfect victim, who has briefly separated from her husband just long enough to open the door to an abduction.

I say perfect, because here’s this woman in the middle of nowhere, all alone, wearing a bikini and carrying a beer.

This person manages to restrain her and drag her into his car.

He has the foresight (or luck) to leave no trace of her; no hat, no beer, no nothing.

Even though this is a fairly remote area, vehicles and people do pass through. No one sees a thing though.

So small time window, strange abduction location, perfect victim, and everything goes swimmingly.

This starts to remind me of theories about the origin of life in the universe. There’s even a word for it, but I don’t remember it.

Let’s assume that the villain is a random predator, driving along that road by chance or necessity. If any of the elements of the crime had been missing, we would not be discussing this now. We might, however, be discussing another disappearance of another woman, that happened last month or last week, out in the desert somewhere...,

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here's a scenario.

Barbara is hiking in the hot Mojave desert not drinking enough water. She becomes dehydrated.

While hiking back to the RV she becomes a bit disorientated and goes off course ending up at the road a distance from the RV.

While standing at the side of the road trying to get her composure a car drives up and a person inside asks if she is alright. She asks for a ride back to her RV which is not far away.

The driver of the car says get in he will help her out. She gets in and they drive away.

Barbara is never seen again. No sign of a struggle, no sign of an abduction for LE to find when they search for her. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's all ok here.

Everything has gone quiet.
I haven't found any new articles outside of last week; and am hoping this isn't going cold.
Wish I lived closer because all of the photos in the world don't mean as much as going there 'in person'.
Now that it's Sept. maybe there will be volunteers asked to participate in searches ?

I'm too far away also. It's been six years since I've been though that area.

I remember not wanting to breakdown out there in the heat of the summer so we arranged to drive though the Mojave in the morning hours before it got really hot.

 

[MassGuy]

Here's a scenario.

Barbara is hiking in the hot Mohave desert not drinking enough water. She becomes dehydrated.

While hiking back to the RV she becomes a bit disorientated and goes off course ending up at the road a distance from the RV.

While standing at the side of the road trying to get her composure a car drives up and a person inside asks if she is alright. She asks for a ride back to her RV which is not far away.

The driver of the car says get in he will help her out. She gets in and they drive away.

Barbara is never seen again. No sign of a struggle, no sign of an abduction for LE to find when they search for her. JMO.

I thought I came up with a perfect scenario, but this is even better.

So instead of dragging her into his vehicle, she willingly enters his.

Like a fish jumping right into your boat.

 

[GordianKnot]

This is why I think it’s too perfect.

So a predator is trolling for victims in that particular area.

This predator happens to spot the perfect victim, who has briefly separated from her husband just long enough to open the door to an abduction.

I say perfect, because here’s this woman in the middle of nowhere, all alone, wearing a bikini and carrying a beer.

This person manages to restrain her and drag her into his car.

He has the foresight (or luck) to leave no trace of her; no hat, no beer, no nothing.

Even though this is a fairly remote area, vehicles and people do pass through. No one sees a thing though.

So small time window, strange abduction location, perfect victim, and everything goes swimmingly.

The abduction scenario is a total non-starter for me, for all of the reasons you cited above.

Abductions are rare in this country, anyhow, with adult abductions being especially rare.

So, the odds are already overwhelmingly against BT having been abducted before you even take into account the extremely small window of opportunity in which it would have had to occur, i.e., the short amount of time b/t when they reportedly split up in the desert to when RT returned to the RV less than 1/4 of a mile away.

Then, factor in that BT is a 69-year-old woman, which makes her much less likely to be the target of a sexual predator, much less one who was out trolling for victims in the middle of the desert in the middle of the day.

It's like me saying, "Well, it's possible that I might win the lottery."

Which is a true statement. It's not impossible. It's just next to impossible.

There are other much more likely scenarios that explain BT's disappearance here.

I'm not going to go clutching at an abduction straw, especially when LE has said they don't think that's what happened to her.

JMO.

 

[Stripehaven]

This is why I think it’s too perfect.

So a predator is trolling for victims in that particular area.

This predator happens to spot the perfect victim, who has briefly separated from her husband just long enough to open the door to an abduction.

I say perfect, because here’s this woman in the middle of nowhere, all alone, wearing a bikini and carrying a beer.

This person manages to restrain her and drag her into his car.

He has the foresight (or luck) to leave no trace of her; no hat, no beer, no nothing.

Even though this is a fairly remote area, vehicles and people do pass through. No one sees a thing though.

So small time window, strange abduction location, perfect victim, and everything goes swimmingly.

Yes to all this. Also, the 5th wheel would have been right there on the road. How would the kidnapper know there was t another person or more right there - possibly armed, as are many people who hike or camp in remote areas? I’d imagine this would be a huge deterrent.

 

[LietKynes]

If someone randomly stopped by and Barbara accepted a lift... that would explain why no dropped hat or beer can, etc. And no struggle.

I have doubts that she'd accept an offer of a lift due to my ,02 that she'd be too wise to take such an action.

But it'd explain her vanishing.
If a person is taken by car --there'd be no scent to follow, correct ?

Cora Jones was kidnapped and murdered by David Spanbauer who just happened to be driving by that day and at that time.
Horrific beyond words what this girl went through.
But at the time, LE thought she'd run away. Her family insisted she would never do that.

So maybe.
I still think Barbara was too close to the fifth wheel to get lost or even wander off dehydrated.
It's a struggle to envision that happening.

But what happened ??
Hoping for some new news this coming week and hope that the VI will chime in with something.

I was also wondering about Barbara's ill brother.
Is he worse ?
Am hoping the family hasn't told him as that would be an added burden to his health problems, which sounded serious-- from the msm articles.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If someone randomly stopped by and Barbara accepted a lift... that would explain why no dropped hat or beer can, etc. And no struggle.

I have doubts that she'd accept an offer of a lift due to my ,02 that she'd be too wise to take such an action.

But it'd explain her vanishing.
If a person is taken by car --there'd be no scent to follow, correct ?

Cora Jones was kidnapped and murdered by David Spanbauer who just happened to be driving by that day and at that time.
Horrific beyond words what this girl went through.
But at the time, LE thought she'd run away. Her family insisted she would never do that.

So maybe.
I still think Barbara was too close to the fifth wheel to get lost or even wander off dehydrated.
It's a struggle to envision that happening.

But what happened ??
Hoping for some new news this coming week and hope that the VI will chime in with something.

I was also wondering about Barbara's ill brother.
Is he worse ?
Am hoping the family hasn't told him as that would be an added burden to his health problems, which sounded serious-- from the msm articles.

I don't remember the details but a few years ago here in the Sacramento area a woman got in an argument with her husband and made him stop the car on a highway to let her out.

She left him and some miscreant picked her up, raped and killed her shortly thereafter.

Things like this do happen. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I don't remember the details but a few years ago here in the Sacramento area a woman got in an argument with her husband and made him stop the car on a highway to let her out.

She left him and some miscreant picked her up, raped and killed her shortly thereafter.

Things like this do happen. JMO

It’s not hard to find an outlier, but by their very nature, they are exceedingly rare.

There are far more likely explanations that don’t involve any stretching.

 

[Eloise]

I don't remember the details but a few years ago here in the Sacramento area a woman got in an argument with her husband and made him stop the car on a highway to let her out.

She left him and some miscreant picked her up, raped and killed her shortly thereafter.

Things like this do happen. JMO

Absolutely, which is why the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and why that proof has to be beyond reasonable doubt...

But statistics tell a fairly strong story when it comes to women as victims of violence re: who the perp is most likely to be. A known assailant is so much more likely than a stranger.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It’s not hard to find an outlier, but by their very nature, they are exceedingly rare.

There are far more likely explanations that don’t involve any stretching.

Can you tell us what you think happened in this case without "stretching" anything the way I seem to be doing.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Absolutely, which is why the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and why that proof has to be beyond reasonable doubt...

But statistics tell a fairly strong story when it comes to women as victims of violence re: who the perp is most likely to be. A known assailant is so much more likely than a stranger.

Statistics are fine but they don't tell me what really happened in this particular case.

That's why I'm on the fence,not sure what happened, undecided.

 

[MassGuy]

Can you tell us what you think happened in this case without "stretching" anything the way I seem to be doing.

Foul play. Barb was never there, or atleast there when she was claimed to be.

If she was there, it would be hard to get lost. If she was lost, they should have found her.

Nothing fancy. Nothing complicated.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Foul play. Barb was never there, or atleast there when she was claimed to be.

If she was there, it would be hard to get lost. If she was lost, they should have found her.

Nothing fancy. Nothing complicated.

I see some stretching in your post because we know she was there and we don't know if it would be hard for her to get dehydrated, disorientated and then lost. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I see some stretching in your post because we know she was there and we don't know if it would be hard for her to get dehydrated, disorientated and then lost. JMO.

Unless you know something I don’t, I’ve never seen proof that she was there.

I recall the VI mentioning that there were some photos, but obviously that doesn’t mean they were necessarily taken during the purported timeframe.

Is this new information?

 

[k-mac]

I think that’s the least likely scenario out of any of them.

If it’s a kidnapping, it just doesn’t happen like that. Way too many leaps have to be made.

If she planned it, then where the hell is she?

How did she do it without leaving a trace?

Why would she do that in the first place?

she didn't.... simple.
she was in the throws of getting ready for an independant international trip to see her beloved ailing brother.
EPIC!
this RV trip imoo was to appease somebody who was staying home alone.......

moo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

she didn't.... simple.
she was in the throws of getting ready for an independant international trip to see her beloved ailing brother.
EPIC!
this RV trip imoo was to appease somebody who was staying home alone.......

moo

Of course she didn't plan her own disappearance.

There is no evidence that suggests she did that.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The abduction scenario is a total non-starter for me, for all of the reasons you cited above.

Abductions are rare in this country, anyhow, with adult abductions being especially rare.

So, the odds are already overwhelmingly against BT having been abducted before you even take into account the extremely small window of opportunity in which it would have had to occur, i.e., the short amount of time b/t when they reportedly split up in the desert to when RT returned to the RV less than 1/4 of a mile away.

Then, factor in that BT is a 69-year-old woman, which makes her much less likely to be the target of a sexual predator, much less one who was out trolling for victims in the middle of the desert in the middle of the day.

It's like me saying, "Well, it's possible that I might win the lottery."

Which is a true statement. It's not impossible. It's just next to impossible.

There are other much more likely scenarios that explain BT's disappearance here.

I'm not going to go clutching at an abduction straw, especially when LE has said they don't think that's what happened to her.

JMO.

Saying that Barbara's age somehow makes it unlikely for her to be a victim of sexual assault doesn't cut it for me.

Far too many older women are sexually assaulted today.

Here are just a few examples of recent attacks.

Police Make Arrest Following Rape Of 78-Year-Old Woman In Queens

Man posing as repairman beat, tried to rape 83-year-old woman: cops
https://nypost.com/2019/03/11/man-p...beat-sexually-assault-83-year-old-woman-cops/

Neighbor accused of trying to rape 88-year-old woman in Brooklyn

Two teens charged with raping 80-year-old

 

[deugirtni]

Just wondering.. how often does a walker in the desert not get found for months, even though there is a person to say 'this is exactly the spot they were at' just before losing sight of the missing person? (Also factoring in other considerations such as it was only 1/4 mile to the RV, it was a couple who was sticking together (as opposed to a larger group where perhaps people might be going off in their own directions to see whatever sights interested them specifically), and talking about a person experienced in the environment).

 

[beatrixpotter]

There was also that recent trial of an athlete accused of raping and or exposing himself to multiple older women. A guy who would have easy access to compliant women was likely going after lots of older women. I can't remember if he was found guilty or not. Anyone? I wish I could remember his name to search for the thread. Raping older women doesn't seem all that uncommon. :/