GUILTY CA - Boat fire near Santa Cruz Island; 34 missing, Sept 2019 *captain charged*

[yeoman]

I doubt anyone in the group thought about the night patrol, honestly........

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I retired from diving years ago, I dove on many socal charter boats (including Truth Aquatics), overnight multi day trips, as a diver and customer I don't think I ever thought about or worried about if there was any night patrol or not. I just didn't think about it because I was either thinking about the diving and or dive planning, or I was too exhausted as the end of the trip got closer.

 

[IQuestion]

This incident is definitely a horrifying example of why this shouldn’t be happening anywhere, ever. It’s so awful.

Owners of dive boat that sank off California coast, killing 34, suspend operations
Owners of dive boat that sank off California coast, killing 34, suspend operations

 

[BeachSky]

Coast Guard May Change Sleeping Rules After The Conception Fire

CHANGING 'DOUBLE BUNKS' TO SINGLE BUNKS

TWO CREW MEMBERS AWAKE AT NIGHT

 

[BeachSky]

Boat Fire Lawsuit Filed By Anaheim Hills Victim's Wife
Justin Digman was one of 34 lost in the boat fire off Santa Barbara earlier this year. His widow filed a wrongful death lawsuit this week.

 

[Richrd]

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Portable Lithium Batteries Among the Possible Causes

Los Angeles Times:
Coast Guard slow to act on fire dangers of lithium-ion batteries
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[ilovewings]

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Portable Lithium Batteries Among the Possible Causes

Los Angeles Times:
Coast Guard slow to act on fire dangers of lithium-ion batteries
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[Contribution # 6985
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Thanks for the update---I have been wondering about what was going on
With the investigation in this case-still no definitive cause for the fire

 

[ilovewings]

Before Conception boat fire, some captains say Coast Guard safety rule was ignored

Updated info regarding the on-going investigation.

California boat fire: Conception wasn't built to charge dozens of phones, batteries and cameras. Did this cause the blaze?-

The Conception was not built to power the personal electronics revolution that could have caused this fire

 

[BeachSky]

Suits filed against owners of dive boat hit by fatal fire - Marine Log

The claimants were among the 34 individuals asleep below deck, directly beneath the heavily-used battery charging station in the galley. Due to the vessel’s inadequate life-safety system design, including woeful means of ingress and egress, the victims were trapped and unable to escape when the fire erupted about 3:15 a.m.
The filings allege that the 75-foot, 41-year-old vessel was in blatant violation of numerous Coast Guard regulations, including failing to maintain an overnight “roving” safety watch and failure to provide a safe means for storing and charging lithium-ion batteries.

According to the law firms, as well as being a claim by the victims, the filing is an answer to a complaint filed by Conception’s owners, Truth Aquatics, Inc., Glen Richard Fritzler and Dana Jeanne Fritzler, individually and as trustees of the Fritzler Family Trust.

On September 5 – less than three full days after the fire – lawyers for the vessel’s owner filed for protection under the Limitation of Liability Act of 1851. That filing occurred before the last bodies were recovered by divers.

SMBB notes that it most recently represented numerous victims of the 2018 Branson, Missouri duck boat disaster that resulted in 17 deaths. In that case the firm successfully argued that the 1851 Limitation of Liability Act did not apply to the boat’s owner.

 

[al66pine]

One Year Anniversary
Criminal charges loom in California boat fire that killed 34


Criminal charges loom in California boat fire that killed 34 - - CenturyLink

 

[ilovewings]

One Year Anniversary
Criminal charges loom in California boat fire that killed 34


Criminal charges loom in California boat fire that killed 34 - - CenturyLink

Thank you for the update--with the pandemic we tend to forget stories and cases
that grabbed our attention--i remember the horror i felt when this story broke

 

[realanastasia]

California Boat Captain Charged With Manslaughter in Fire That Killed 34

 

[PrairieWind]

California Boat Captain Charged With Manslaughter in Fire That Killed 34

Well that is good news. The willful failure to follow safety regulations like this should be more often treated as criminal offenses.

 

[Keane]

Thinking of my friends, D&Y, upon hearing this news.

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-01/conception-dive-boat-disaster-families-sue-coast

Families Sue Coast Guard

As well they should---

 

[Cryptic]

Families Sue Coast Guard As well they should---

My guess is that the injury law firm was looking for free advertising when they not only took the case, but even had a press conference (yawn) to announce the lawsuit.

All government entities have sovereign immunity- and the federal government is the king of kings. Government entities may agree to pay settlements for a variety of reasons. But, they cannot be forced to pay anything and can ignore any Court issued orders related to it.

Boeing paid settlements related to the 737 Max disasters. Did the FAA?

I strongly suspect that the odds of a federal entity agreeing to pay anything to anybody for any reason is essentially absolute zero as it would open the gates for endless injury lawsuits.

 

[ilovewings]

My guess is that the injury law firm was looking for free advertising when they not only took the case, but even had a press conference (yawn) to announce the lawsuit.

All government entities have sovereign immunity- and the federal government is the king of kings. Government entities may agree to pay settlements for a variety of reasons. But, they cannot be forced to pay anything and can ignore any Court issued orders related to it.

Boeing paid settlements related to the 737 Max disasters. Did the FAA?

I strongly suspect that the odds of a federal entity agreeing to pay anything to anybody for any reason is essentially absolute zero as it would open the gates for endless injury lawsuits.

Very informative- thank you!!!

 

[PrairieWind]

My guess is that the injury law firm was looking for free advertising when they not only took the case, but even had a press conference (yawn) to announce the lawsuit.

All government entities have sovereign immunity- and the federal government is the king of kings. Government entities may agree to pay settlements for a variety of reasons. But, they cannot be forced to pay anything and can ignore any Court issued orders related to it.

Boeing paid settlements related to the 737 Max disasters. Did the FAA?

I strongly suspect that the odds of a federal entity agreeing to pay anything to anybody for any reason is essentially absolute zero as it would open the gates for endless injury lawsuits.

I agree. I don't think the Coast Guard can be sued here.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Coast Guard's failure to act on boat safety costs lives in Conception fire, feds say

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

What What What????

“a federal judge has decided to toss out a “seaman’s manslaughter” charge against the captain of the vessel.”

“If convicted, Boylan could have faced a 10-year prison sentence until Wu threw out the charge.”

Major update in horror boat fire that killed 34 guests trapped below deck

THREE years after the horrific boat fire in Santa Barbara that killed 34 people, a federal judge has decided to toss out a “seaman’s manslaughter” charge against the captain of the vessel. Jerry Ne…

www.the-sun.com

 

[ilovewings]

What What What????

“a federal judge has decided to toss out a “seaman’s manslaughter” charge against the captain of the vessel.”

“If convicted, Boylan could have faced a 10-year prison sentence until Wu threw out the charge.”

Major update in horror boat fire that killed 34 guests trapped below deck

THREE years after the horrific boat fire in Santa Barbara that killed 34 people, a federal judge has decided to toss out a “seaman’s manslaughter” charge against the captain of the vessel. Jerry Ne…

www.the-sun.com

Well they now add "gross negligence" to the charges, and refile it!!!!