CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 4

[Cubby]

Anyone get any new news on their outreach for national media for Bobs case?

raying: we get some news soon!

 

[believe09]

Shot out the eye of a gopher? With what, a bb gun? And for what reason, and of course I would wonder if you can discharge a fire-arm legally from their residence...here in my town no can do.

O/T I met someone once who was bragging that they shot a rabbit with a semi automatic and they had forgotten to switch it to single shot. We were waiting in line at a bank. I turned around and gave him what I thought was a pretty accurate estimation of his manhood.

Hunter? Fine as long as you field strip it and use what you kill. Do no harm in nature. It is patently sadistic to use a firearm on things like gophers, squirrels, birds (non game) etc...very unsportsman like.

 

[believe09]

So far the only info I can find for the stick is:
-it's a kind of fishing rod for salmon etc or fly fishing
-in the urban dictionary it means to kick someone's behind.

well that was a fun diversion.

 

[Angelo]

Anyone get any new news on their outreach for national media for Bobs case?

raying: we get some news soon!

I resent all my requests over the weekend. You never know who is reading so I will resend every few weeks.

 

[believe09]

I heard back from the Masons-their response has me completely energized! I will keep everyone in the loop regarding Crimestoppers as well...

 

[Angelo]

Unless he turned his cell phone off, I believe the SIL's cell phone pings are one of the keys to pointing us to Mr. Harrod's remains.

I believe it is up to the individual phone companies how long cell phone ping records are kept.

I hope the PPD were able to obtain SIL's records before they were destroyed.

 

[believe09]

I think we might have a few more candidates for cell phone records, fwiw. I am certain that this department subpoenaed the records...I still believe they did a pretty solid investigation.

Wouldnt you all love to know if they have the curio cabinet???

 

[Angelo]

I think we might have a few more candidates for cell phone records, fwiw. I am certain that this department subpoenaed the records...I still believe they did a pretty solid investigation.

Wouldnt you all love to know if they have the curio cabinet???

I hope they have all cell phone records of all family members, starting from the day Mr. Harrod told his daughters about Fontelle and that they intended to be married.

There may have been a flurry of phone calls and emails. The daughters trying to figure out what they were going to do about this situation.

As for the curio cabinet/display case, I hope PPD has it. It is a beautiful piece of furniture, I find it strange that J was so eager to give it away. Not only give it away, but to do it within weeks of her father's disappearance. I would think J would have more important things to think about.

Yes, it is a beautiful display case.

 

[Cubby]

I hope they have all cell phone records of all family members, starting from the day Mr. Harrod told his daughters about Fontelle and that they intended to be married.

There may have been a flurry of phone calls and emails. The daughters trying to figure out what they were going to do about this situation.

As for the curio cabinet/display case, I hope PPD has it. It is a beautiful piece of furniture, I find it strange that J was so eager to give it away. Not only give it away, but to do it within weeks of her father's disappearance. I would think J would have more important things to think about.

Yes, it is a beautiful display case.

You and me both! No doubt there was a reason to give away an expensive piece of furniture so soon after Bobs disappearance.

jmo

 

[Cubby]

Maybe a little OT?

Very interesting article about convictions on no body murder cases. In the article Thomas "Tad" DiBiase is quoted, he is known to be an expert on no body murder cases. IIRC another family of a missing person was seeking his assistance.......

http://www.newsmax.com/US/US-Bodyless-Murders/2010/04/11/id/355384

No Body? No Problem Convicting, 90 Percent of Time

excerpts:

More than 300 hundred such cases that have gone to trial in the U.S. since, more than 90 percent of them resulting in a conviction, DiBiase said.
Although defense attorneys often try to convince jurors that no body means no proof a person is dead, DiBiase has found only one case, around 1886, in which a victim turned up alive after his supposed killer — tried twice on charges he killed his lover's husband — had been convicted and executed.

<snip>

Pendergast says the enormous public appetite for forensics has led to jury pools full of people who "want to see every little fingerprint."
She has convinced juries that a person was really dead even though no body was ever found, because the victim didn't access bank accounts or credit cards after they disappeared.


Definately worth the read imo....

 

[Cubby]

Another snippet from the pp article:

Two of the nation's most high-profile murder cases without bodies &#8212; the killing of a wealthy Manhattan socialite by a mother and son team, and a doctor who killed his wife and tossed her body from an airplane over the Atlantic Ocean&#8212; were prosecuted by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau.

Hmmm.. Doesn't Bobs grandson have a pilots license? I wonder if he took a plane up around the time Bob went missing....... Almost makes me wonder if Bob is buried with his first wife Georgia.

jmo

 

[believe09]

Now, this is truly strange. I dialed the phone number listed under Mr. Harrod's name and it has been changed to a new number listed under his wife's name.

I was told that the phone was disconnected by the people acting in the name of the trust, ie the conservators.

Why would that happen, I wonder? Why would Bob be prevented from calling home? Why change the number at all, much less have it disconnected?

Just when I think I am coasting along, something raises up and derails me.

 

[Cubby]

Now, this is truly strange. I dialed the phone number listed under Mr. Harrod's name and it has been changed to a new number listed under his wife's name.

I was told that the phone was disconnected by the people acting in the name of the trust, ie the conservators.

Why would that happen, I wonder? Why would Bob be prevented from calling home? Why change the number at all, much less have it disconnected?

Just when I think I am coasting along, something raises up and derails me.

BBM. If you would like my opinion, and this is jmo - (and I am going to offer it anyway, )

It's part of the more than obvious 'shift the blame game' being played by the people acting in the name of the trust. Not only was the phone number disconnected by the people acting in the name of the trust as you mention, but they are the same people who recommended Fontelle get the door locks changed and then have publically complained about it.

When one takes a look at the total sum of much of the behavior including the inconsistent time line and insisting on pointing the finger at a POI(s) who had been officially cleared by LE months and months earlier it is very much like the shell game imo. And that is just what we see, I'm sure behind the scenes- info we are not privy too the list is much much longer than what we have uncovered.

I completely understand the derailed thing.... Just when I think something isn't going to offend me or shock me worse along comes more.... Pretty soon, maybe very soon, it's going to be much worse I'm afraid..... Like reading a book and almost being afraid to turn the page.

~jmo~

Eta, in addition to the Menendez bros. flashbacks it gives me zanny the nanny flashbacks too. :crazy:

 

[Montjoy]

Why change the number at all, much less have it disconnected?

Yes, I hope this doesn't seem like beating a dead horse, but I'm a bit exasperated -- why wasn't stopping payment on it enough? How does this serve Bob or the trust?

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Now, this is truly strange. I dialed the phone number listed under Mr. Harrod's name and it has been changed to a new number listed under his wife's name.
I was told that the phone was disconnected by the people acting in the name of the trust, ie the conservators.

Why would that happen, I wonder? Why would Bob be prevented from calling home? Why change the number at all, much less have it disconnected?

Just when I think I am coasting along, something raises up and derails me.

BBM

The way I see it..The new Mrs Harrod wants the house and everything in it...She can't get the phone number changed on her own because the house is not in her name nor are the utilities. It's been a year and maybe she has finally gotten something done thru her attorney to get the phone number changed and SHE changed it..This is JMHO

 

[Montjoy]

BBM
The new Mrs Harrod wants the house and everything in it...

(respectfully snipped)

I'm not sure what the connection might be between Bob's house/household possessions and his disappearance, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that it may be Fontelle's legal obligation to safeguard her husband's possessions. The house and the items in it are not the property of his daughters -- they are Bob's. (If the daughters had any legal right to the items, they would have them already; so too would they have them if Bob had wished it while he was alive.)

I think that a very deep-rooted feeling of entitlement underpins a lot of what Bob's daughters have said and done. I think that they have had no sense of boundaries between what is theirs and what is their father's property for a long time. I think we can see that overbearing sense of entitlement with their criticism of how he spent *his* money when he was alive, and how they have treated *his* home and personal property since he has gone missing/been murdered.

All jmo.

 

[Cubby]

BBM

The way I see it..The new Mrs Harrod wants the house and everything in it...She can't get the phone number changed on her own because the house is not in her name nor are the utilities. It's been a year and maybe she has finally gotten something done thru her attorney to get the phone number changed and SHE changed it..This is JMHO

I think that is the goal, the daughters wanted others to have the above opinion and they've convinced some but not all.....

Fontelle did get something done through her attorney when the number was changed. She won the right to have the phone company leave the standard recorded message giving callers who dialed Bobs disconnected number the new number. Just in case Bob did call home, Fontelle made sure he had a way to get the new number and didn't just get the "this number has been disconnected, no further information is available about" recording.

The old telephone number is part of the trust assets and I think the courts legally considering Bobs telephone number his property has something to do with changes in the law a few years back allowing a person to keep their telephone number for a lifetime and transfer it with them wherever they move. I forget the exact details of how that worked....but since it does it is part of the trust/assets/estate of Bobs as Bobs property..they had the right to not allow it to be transfered to the person currently listed on the phone bill.

I'm not sure why the telephone number was such an important part of Bobs property ... perhaps the daughters wanted to retain that number in the event Bob called from some island somewhere someday and wanted to transfer his old telephone number to his current residence so they made sure he had the opportunity to do so. I can't think of any other semi logical reason when considering Bobs best interests to insist through the courts the number stay with the person rather than staying with the house but since legally it can stay with the person and is considered Bobs property they had the right to reserve that number for Bob.


jmo

 

[Angelo]

Yes, I hope this doesn't seem like beating a dead horse, but I'm a bit exasperated -- why wasn't stopping payment on it enough? How does this serve Bob or the trust?

It seems whenever anyone stands up to these women they turn into "schoolyard bullies."

IMO, disconnecting the phone and stopping Fontelle from using the number was done to show Fontelle "who is in charge." They could do it, and they did. Just their way of being cruel to the woman their missing father deeply loved.


Mr. Harrod stood up to his daughters July 26, 2009...........the next day he disappears. Hmmmmmmmm

 

[believe09]

Fontelle doesnt need a house that comes with this kind of baggage. You are aware that she is fragile, just like Bob was DPM?

I think you must have a perspective on what she has attained since she arrived, and like Montjoy, I also believe she is a gatekeeper until the criminal and civil cases have run their course. She has had the utilities shut off, one can only presume this is an attempt to "starve her out?" I am willing to bet the mortgage payment on the home far exceeds what she paid in MO-the trust should be paying it. The house is owned by Bob, who has not been declared dead. She is doing nothing wrong by living there as she expected and still expects to be residing in the home with her husband.

Should he found deceased, the threshold is going to change.

We can agree to disagree on this point, but I do not for a moment believe you think that shutting off the phone is a good plan.

Fortunately there is a message that forward's the caller to the new number, so that if Bob calls, he will be able to figure it out.

 

[Cubby]

Fontelle doesnt need a house that comes with this kind of baggage. You are aware that she is fragile, just like Bob was DPM?

I think you must have a perspective on what she has attained since she arrived, and like Montjoy, I also believe she is a gatekeeper until the criminal and civil cases have run their course. She has had the utilities shut off, one can only presume this is an attempt to "starve her out?" I am willing to bet the mortgage payment on the home far exceeds what she paid in MO-the trust should be paying it. The house is owned by Bob, who has not been declared dead. She is doing nothing wrong by living there as she expected and still expects to be residing in the home with her husband.

Should he found deceased, the threshold is going to changed.

We can agree to disagree on this point, but I do not for a moment believe you think that shutting off the phone is a good plan.

Fortunately there is a message that forward's the caller to the new number, so that if Bob calls, he will be able to figure it out.

Excellent points believe'. I'd like to add to this if you don't mind believe.

Fontelle had changed the utlities and telephone number into her name only after having been in a situation with them shut off for non payment so she could pay them herself and ensure they are paid in a timely fashion. When the girls failed to follow through with the reward they so wanted to offer when taking the matter to court they didn't only fail to come up with even a miniscule reward for information leading to their fathers whereabouts, they were inconsistent at best at paying the upkeep and utilities on Bobs home.

I fully agree with the 'strong arm' attempt to push a frail elderly woman wishing to find out what happened to her husband and ensuring those responsible for his disappearance face justice.

Fontelle gains nothing financially in this, there is no monetary incentive whatsoever for her. The courts have already granted the girls control of the trust... what is theirs is theirs, they just want it now and want this whole issue of finding Bob to go away. As believe posted, Fontelle is the gatekeeper in the civil and criminal investigations here... and, imo, that is the issue at hand. One party is seriously interested in searching for answers on Bobs disappearance the other hasn't demonstrated usual behavior of missing persons family and gives the appearance of just trying to make this go away by numerous attempts to divert the attention off themselves and in various directions.... In too many ways to list, some obvious, some not so obvious.

jmo