CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 4

[suzyq211]

Agree. They knew either before the deed was done, or after. I am not so sure a second Sunday meeting didn't take place after they left Mr. Harrod's on July 26th.

The daughters went on a campaign to smear their father and others immediately after Mr. Harrod disappeared. This was done IMO to deliberately point the finger of suspicion away from the individuals responsible for Mr. Harrod's disappearance. Additionally, they hoped no one would care about a mean, cold, elderly man.[/QUOTE]

BBM
...and let me tell you, that is what makes my blood BOIL!!!!!!

 

[believe09]

The same guy who appeared at his neighbor's checkbook in hand to try and save their house? I am still trying to verify this story, but that certainly speaks to some incredible generosity of spirit.

 

[Angelo]

The same guy who appeared at his neighbor's checkbook in hand to try and save their house? I am still trying to verify this story, but that certainly speaks to some incredible generosity of spirit.

Yes, that would be him. It appears Mr. Harrod was the exact opposite of the man his daughters tried to portray on the WWW.

It would be interesting to find out the total amount of money Mr. Harrod has given or loaned to family members over the years.

 

[Montjoy]

It would be interesting to find out the total amount of money Mr. Harrod has given or loaned to family members over the years.

JMO, but including gifts, never-repaid loans, discounts, vehicles, properties -- I would have to guess that he's given well over 100k to family members. (That may be a very conservative estimate, too.)

 

[Angelo]

ETA: Imo, and this is only my opinion, there are far too many inconsistencies in the timeline and the incredibly vague/odd statements and behavior coming from Bobs daughters, and the silence from SIL and AH to believe a thing they've stated. Their credibility is shot with me. I'd be hard pressed to believe I stand alone with regards to their credibility at this stage of the investigation.

JMVHO

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The whole thing doesn't pass the smell test. SIL is supposedly at Mr. Harrod's house to do "repairs" the day after a heated family meeting about finances. Mr. Harrod just happens to disappear that day. I'm not buying it!


I wonder what was bought at the Home Depot and are those items now in Mr. Harrods house. Just what were the repairs the SIL was doing at Mr. Harrod's house? Can anyone other than daughters, SIL, and grandson verify that repairs were needed at Mr. Harrod's house?

 

[Cubby]

Yes, that would be him. It appears Mr. Harrod was the exact opposite of the man his daughters tried to portray on the WWW.

It would be interesting to find out the total amount of money Mr. Harrod has given or loaned to family members over the years.

JMO - But let's just suppose Bob really was as his daughters portrayed. they certainly spent, what, another 30+ years keeping him in their life once they became of adult age. Technically each of his daughters are about double the number of years Bob was 'legally' responsible for them as minors. I find it terrible hard to believe an adult who was a victim of any kind of non fictional abuse would continue to keep someone in their life for an additional 30-35 plus years. Not to mention, the mother they so adored would have remained happily married for more than 50 years to someone as 'evil' as Bobs daughters attempted to portray him. Imo, IF, Bob was so 'rotten to the core' they would have cut contact with him AND his money once they became legal adults.

Which is why, I think the image they attempted to portray of their father was for one purpose and one purpose only, with the hopes this case would get cold, stay cold and the old man would be simply forgotten. I'm here for the long haul for Bobs case.

JMVHO

 

[Cubby]

JMO, but including gifts, never-repaid loans, discounts, vehicles, properties -- I would have to guess that he's given well over 100k to family members. (That may be a very conservative estimate, too.)

Wow, you are very conservative. I would guess, that 100K would be less than 5% of what he has given to his daughters, SIL and GS. But of course that is just a guess, and we weren't privy to all the debts GS wrote off when he went BK in 2001. I wonder, is it every 7 years someone can file BK and is he ready to do so or was he getting ready to do so again? If Bob 'lent' him money after the first BK is there something legally Bob could have added to any contract which would negate GS being able to file BK on grandad a second time? Could that be a possible motive in the scheme of things here?

JMHO

 

[Angelo]

Wow, you are very conservative. I would guess, that 100K would be less than 5% of what he has given to his daughters, SIL and GS. But of course that is just a guess, and we weren't privy to all the debts GS wrote off when he went BK in 2001. I wonder, is it every 7 years someone can file BK and is he ready to do so or was he getting ready to do so again? If Bob 'lent' him money after the first BK is there something legally Bob could have added to any contract which would negate GS being able to file BK on grandad a second time? Could that be a possible motive in the scheme of things here?

JMHO

From looking at the public documents on the Orange County, CA Grantor/Grantee Search it seems Mr. Harrod was helping the grandson both before and after grandson filed for bankrupcy. Also checked the value of grandson's house on Zillow.

Looks like 100k may be very conservative for the grandson alone.



http://cr.ocgov.com/grantorgrantee/index.asp

 

[Fairy1]

JMO - But let's just suppose Bob really was as his daughters portrayed. they certainly spent, what, another 30+ years keeping him in their life once they became of adult age. Technically each of his daughters are about double the number of years Bob was 'legally' responsible for them as minors. I find it terrible hard to believe an adult who was a victim of any kind of non fictional abuse would continue to keep someone in their life for an additional 30-35 plus years. Not to mention, the mother they so adored would have remained happily married for more than 50 years to someone as 'evil' as Bobs daughters attempted to portray him. Imo, IF, Bob was so 'rotten to the core' they would have cut contact with him AND his money once they became legal adults.

Which is why, I think the image they attempted to portray of their father was for one purpose and one purpose only, with the hopes this case would get cold, stay cold and the old man would be simply forgotten. I'm here for the long haul for Bobs case.

JMVHO

That's a great point, Cubby.

The case may be cold in many ways, but it certainly seems what's going on here at WS is moving the needle in some unexpected ways.

 

[Cubby]

From looking at the public documents on the Orange County, CA Grantor/Grantee Search it seems Mr. Harrod was helping the grandson both before and after grandson filed for bankrupcy. Also checked the value of grandson's house on Zillow.

Looks like 100k may be very conservative for the grandson alone.



http://cr.ocgov.com/grantorgrantee/index.asp

Then minimally, Bob was a forgiving man, no?
Not one to hold grudges and say no more - after the loss on his investment if he chose to 'reinvest'. IMO, their wasn't enough blood in this turnip and the blood ran dry when Bob chose to remarry.

I can wish but hindsight is 20-20 as they say.

- If only Bob had only chosen to further distance himself after that 6 month hiatus he requested from his girls and relocated to Fontelles neck of the woods. I bet he would still be around, and the few who knew his name would only know based on the media surrounding his reconnecting with his first love.....

The man lived up to his 'til death do us part vows....

I think I will always wish for Bob to have had his last days being a happy peaceful man enjoying himself. He is likely at peace now, no more greed....

I remember one of my friends dads after he lost his wife. I visited them down in the Orlando area. I had an oldstyle with him and watched the Cubs during the monsoon season in July in Florida. He had 3 dughters and 2 sons... and I will never forget having that Old Style with him, and him telling me - why can't you be my daughter have a beer with me and watch the ball game? Hey I'm a baseball fan! I loved him sharing that with me as much, and I think I would have just loved to have met Bob.

I think I would have dug hanging out with Bob... even if it was in some old goofy home with paneling and driving some old full sized station wagon with paneling. I think Bob is pretty cool and I would have been honored to have met him. I'm going to take comfort in knowing we have a few here, fighting for Justice for Bob.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

That's a great point, Cubby.

The case may be cold in many ways, but it certainly seems what's going on here at WS is moving the needle in some unexpected ways.

Thanks Fairy! I just want justice for Bob.

If I have any say in the needle, it is gonna be in a 1969 SuperBee
and I am gonna push that needle as far as I can. and I am doing this for Bob!

 

[Angelo]

I think Mr. Harrod knew what was important in life, and it wasn't money.


Quote from Ca Exile:
"When I knew him he was a devoted husband. Georgia was in very bad health. Bob hated to leave her alone at any time. He felt he needed to be there for her. He took care of her until she died. He had a sliding chair put in for the stairway. He had a hospital bed brought in when she was so incapacitated she could not go up the stairs."

Quote from daughter J:
"would you send my dad some warm thoughts as his beloved Sassy (15 yr old Pomeranian) is ready for the Rainbow Bridge. I hate to see him alone but he will not leave her side, just as he would not leave my mom's side."

 

[suzyq211]

I think Mr. Harrod knew what was important in life, and it wasn't money.


Quote from Ca Exile:
"When I knew him he was a devoted husband. Georgia was in very bad health. Bob hated to leave her alone at any time. He felt he needed to be there for her. He took care of her until she died. He had a sliding chair put in for the stairway. He had a hospital bed brought in when she was so incapacitated she could not go up the stairs."

Quote from daughter J:
"would you send my dad some warm thoughts as his beloved Sassy (15 yr old Pomeranian) is ready for the Rainbow Bridge. I hate to see him alone but he will not leave her side, just as he would not leave my mom's side."

Yeah, every now and then they forgot and actually let the truth slip in...:innocent:

 

[Montjoy]

Yeah, every now and then they forgot and actually let the truth slip in...:innocent:

If you're talking about daughter J's statement about Sassy -- well, she wrote that when Bob was still alive (28 November 2008). The nasty comments from the daughters seemed to emerge after Bob disappeared/was killed and was unable to read or respond to them, IMO.

 

[cloudajo]

[snipped]
- If only Bob had only chosen to further distance himself after that 6 month hiatus he requested from his girls and relocated to Fontelles neck of the woods. I bet he would still be around, and the few who knew his name would only know based on the media surrounding his reconnecting with his first love.....

The man lived up to his 'til death do us part vows....

I think I will always wish for Bob to have had his last days being a happy peaceful man enjoying himself. He is likely at peace now, no more greed....

[snipped]

Agree. IMO, he was a good man and quite frankly, they didn’t deserve him. The sense of entitlement of these 50+ year old women to Bob’s money and what they’ve posted about him is nothing less than outrageous. They referred to what happened to Bob as “this mystery” and “this very strange puzzle,” well, the pieces are certainly coming together. No need any more to be in a frozen state, emotionally paralyzed, in limbo, baffled, traumatized, or bewildered.

Slightly O/T: A tip when drying a down comforter; bring a couple of tennis balls and throw them in the dryer load. The balls keep the comforter fluffy.

 

[believe09]

Wow cloud, thanks for that tip. 'Tis comforter drying season after all.

Does anyone know who attended the Sunday 7/26/09 meeting? I know we were unsure of GS-so we have RB, PB, JM, SIL...did I miss anyone? And Bob of course. I would love to know what Bob told Fontelle about what happened at the meeting and who said what when he called her later.

 

[cloudajo]

Wow cloud, thanks for that tip. 'Tis comforter drying season after all.

Does anyone know who attended the Sunday 7/26/09 meeting? I know we were unsure of GS-so we have RB, PB, JM, SIL...did I miss anyone? And Bob of course. I would love to know what Bob told Fontelle about what happened at the meeting and who said what when he called her later.

Interesting, so the SIL was at the family meeting on Sunday, 7/26/09.

 

[cloudajo]

Wow cloud, thanks for that tip. 'Tis comforter drying season after all.

Does anyone know who attended the Sunday 7/26/09 meeting? I know we were unsure of GS-so we have RB, PB, JM, SIL...did I miss anyone? And Bob of course. I would love to know what Bob told Fontelle about what happened at the meeting and who said what when he called her later.

I wonder if the bunch of them went over to grandson's house for a 2nd meeting after leaving Bob's that Sunday.

 

[believe09]

I wonder if the bunch of them went over to grandson's house for a 2nd meeting after leaving Bob's that Sunday.

I think it makes sense at a minimum-GS had a vested interest in any discussion regarding additions to the will or trusts. (I know that so far the daughters have denied this was what the conversation was about. They are firm that it was a discussion of the bypass trust.)

Beyond that, there were kids to visit and it was on a Sunday...some like JM and SIL had driven quite a distance...it only makes sense, given their strong family feeling, that they might have stopped to visit the home which was a 1/2 a block away?

 

[Angelo]

Wow cloud, thanks for that tip. 'Tis comforter drying season after all.

Does anyone know who attended the Sunday 7/26/09 meeting? I know we were unsure of GS-so we have RB, PB, JM, SIL...did I miss anyone? And Bob of course. I would love to know what Bob told Fontelle about what happened at the meeting and who said what when he called her later.

BBM

The fact that Mr. Harrod spoke to his wife on Sunday and told her what happened during the meeting seems to make the daughters very nervous. They have posted several times about what Mr. Harrod told Fontelle about the meeting. They have tried to discredit Fontelle's account of the heated Sunday meeting.

Example:

Daughter R - "I'm sure Dad told Fontelle whatever he wanted her to believe and, her version is nothing near the truth of what really happened that early AFTERNOON. After all, they only had almost two weeks together and that is not enough time to truly know someone, realistically."