CA - Boeing 777 from S. Korea Crashes at San Francisco SFO

[Steely Dan]

It is a miracle that so few are critically injured. From the sound of witness accounts it sounds like the pilot came in too high and slammed the plane down. We'll have to wait for BB data, but that's what I think happened.

 

[danzn16]

All I can say is that I am about to get on an airplane for the first time in my life in about 11 days, and I am FREAKING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, dear Lord. Please let these people be OK, and PLEASE don't let it happen to ME!!!!

My sister just said the same thing. I looked it up that an average of 36 people die in planes per year compared to 3,000 a DAY in cars. But yet people aren't afraid of driving. I'm nervous when I fly too, probably just because its out of my hands and all in the hands of the pilot. But truly it is much safer than most things we do everyday.


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[Dr. Know?]

Fox News ‏@FoxNews 2h UPDATE: NTSB is on the scene of deadly #SFO plane crash, agency has recovered black box from Asiana flight's cockpit http://fxn.ws/1a3l3FU

 

[Dr. Know?]

TLA ‏@KTLA 1h Victims killed in #SFO plane crash identified as 2 Chinese students on school trip http://ktlane.ws/17ZEH4R

 

[mysteriew]

I take it that the cockpit crew lived through it. So reports on what happened should come out pretty quick. They won't be relying solely on the boxes, they will also be able to interview the pilot, copilot and so forth.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Asiana Airlines flight 214 crew seemed surprised by crash in San Francisco

After the Boeing 777-200 that originated in Seoul, South Korea, hit the seawall barrier at the end of the runway, snapping the tail right off the aircraft, San Francisco resident and crash survivor Benjamin Levy said the crew was simply "overwhelmed."


He said there was no verbal warning from the pilot or crew before the impact.


"I mean, the crew was not expecting it at all," Levy said. "So, I mean the ones who were able were helping, the ones who were injured were not. You know, we had to help each other out."

more

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...w-seemed-surprised-by-crash-in-san-francisco/

 

[mj12]

The airline said it was not mechanical failure, the witnesses said there was no warning but one survivor did say he thought the plane was coming down too low and too fast.

I think this one is pilot error. The black box won't show much.

 

[Steely Dan]

I've had CNN on mute while I listened to some Youtube stuff. They've run the long distance footage of the crash about 350 times now. That's really not that much of an exaggeration either.

 

[danzn16]

I saw on CNN that is said the landing technology was not working at the time but then another pilot said you did not need that to land a plane, that it was just nice to have.


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[danzn16]

Also on CNN it said that 1.5 seconds before impact the pilot asked air control for a "go-around", which is to pull up on a failed landing and try again


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[danzn16]

Here is be article. It has been updated since I last read it with new info. It is now saying that it was going at an appropriate speed or less for landing. And that the Pilots called out that they were about to experience an "aerodynamic" which is when the plane is about to loose its ability to stay in the air.

NTSB: Pilots asked to do a 'go-around'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/plane-crash-main/index.html



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[danzn16]

Video shows plane's moment of impact
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2013/07/07/vo-plane-sf-plane-crash-on-cam.courtesy-fred-hayes



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[i.b.nora]

"SAN FRANCISCO — A federal safety official said Sunday the cockpit voice recorder from Asiana Flight 214 showed the jetliner received a warning that it could stall because it was flying too slowly and tried to increase its speed before it crashed.

National Transportation Safety Board chief Deborah Hersman said at a news conference Sunday the recorder also showed the Boeing 777's crew called to abort the landing about 1.5 seconds before impact.

National Transportation Safety Board chief Deborah Hersman said at a briefing on the crash of the Boeing 777 said the plane was traveling at speeds well below the target landing speed of 137 knots per hour, or 157 mph.

"We're not talking about a few knots," she said.

Hersman also said the aircraft's stick shaker – a piece of safety equipment that warns pilots of an impending stall – went off moments before the crash. The normal response to a stall warning is to increase speed to recover control.

There was an increase in speed several seconds before the crash, she said, basing her comments on an evaluation of the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. They contain hundreds of different types of information on what was happening to the plane.

And at 1.5 seconds before impact, there was a call for an aborted landing, she said."

Associated Press article at Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/asiana-airlines-flight-214-abort-landing_n_3558625.html

 

[popsicle]

Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim

The coroner tells NBC Bay Area they were alerted by the San Francisco Fire Department "that a fire truck may have played a role in the death of one of the girls," and are trying to determine if the teens died as a result of the plane accident or a "secondary incident."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Over-Asiana-Plane-Crash-Victim-214546021.html

 

[Nana]

Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim

The coroner tells NBC Bay Area they were alerted by the San Francisco Fire Department "that a fire truck may have played a role in the death of one of the girls," and are trying to determine if the teens died as a result of the plane accident or a "secondary incident."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Over-Asiana-Plane-Crash-Victim-214546021.html

WOW!! OMG!!
God really wanted this baby!
Bless her heart!

 

[Steely Dan]

Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim

The coroner tells NBC Bay Area they were alerted by the San Francisco Fire Department "that a fire truck may have played a role in the death of one of the girls," and are trying to determine if the teens died as a result of the plane accident or a "secondary incident."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Over-Asiana-Plane-Crash-Victim-214546021.html

OMG, that fire truck driver will feel like absolute :censored: if it turns out he ran over her. I don't know how anyone could deal with that for at least a few days. I'd imagine you'd try to block the memory as much and as long as possible. JMO


I am not saying he could have avoided it.

 

[wfgodot]

matthew keys ‏@matthewkeyslive
reuters: Asiana air spokeswoman says pilot of flight 214 was "training" and that it was his first flight to san francisco airport on 777 jet

.....
Eta

matthew keys ‏@matthewkeyslive
pilot in charge of asiana air 214 that crashed at sfo had 9,793 hours flying experience, but only 43 hours on boeing 777 jet.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Amazed more weren't critically injured or died. Thank heaven.

Anyone else freaked out when landing at SFO? I've always hated that all you, as a passenger, can see is bay water, until the VERY LAST moment when one lands onto the runway. I have never liked SFO for that reason, LOL.

 

[Elphaba]

I saw on CNN that is said the landing technology was not working at the time but then another pilot said you did not need that to land a plane, that it was just nice to have.


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I have seen that talked about on various sites... bottom line, a pilot should know how to manually get a plane down safely, without all the whiz bangs helping them down.

 

[wfgodot]

Another air disaster.

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