CA - Boeing 777 from S. Korea Crashes at San Francisco SFO

[Linda7NJ]

I've had CNN on mute while I listened to some Youtube stuff. They've run the long distance footage of the crash about 350 times now. That's really not that much of an exaggeration either.

Pilot had 43 hours of experience flying that 777.

I guess every new pilot has to start at zero hrs of experience... But that sounds a little concerning...

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[Linda7NJ]

You'll be ok! Something like this is very rare. There are thousands of flights a day in the US that go off with out a hitch. I work at a small airport and we have 80+ landings and take offs a day. I believe last year we had 2.5 million people go through our airport and all were fine. (And we've never had a person injured on landing in the 14 years I've worked here!)

Enjoy your trip! You will be fine!

If it makes you feel any better, your odds of getting killed in a car accident on the way to the airport, are significantly higher

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Pilot was attempting his first Boeing 777 landing at San Francisco airport, airline says


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/0...rancisco-international-airport/#ixzz2YQggZ4Nv

 

[CHERIE.T]

Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim

The coroner tells NBC Bay Area they were alerted by the San Francisco Fire Department "that a fire truck may have played a role in the death of one of the girls," and are trying to determine if the teens died as a result of the plane accident or a "secondary incident."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Over-Asiana-Plane-Crash-Victim-214546021.html

:crying:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Officials probe why crashed SF jet flew too slow

JASON DEAREN, AP
2 hours ago

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Officials investigating a jetliner crash in San Francisco have determined that Asiana Airlines Flight 214 was traveling "significantly below" the target speed during its approach and that the crew tried to abort the landing just before it smashed onto the runway. What they don't yet know is whether the pilot's inexperience with this type of aircraft and at this airport played a role.

A day after the jetliner crash landed in San Francisco, killing two people and sending more than 180 to hospitals, officials said Sunday that the probe was also focusing on whether the airport or plane's equipment could have also malfunctioned.

The South Korea government announced Monday that officials will inspect engines and landing equipment on all Boeing 777 planes owned by Asiana and Korean Air, the national carrier.

Also Sunday, San Mateo County Coroner Robert Foucrault said he was investigating whether one of the two teenage passengers killed actually survived the crash but was run over by a rescue vehicle rushing to aid victims fleeing the burning aircraft. Remarkably, 305 of 307 passengers and crew survived the crash and more than a third didn't even require hospitalization. Only a small number were critically injured.

Investigators said that the weather was unusually fair for foggy San Francisco. The winds were mild, too. During the descent, with their throttles set to idle, the pilots never discussed having any problems with the plane or its positioning until it was too late...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130708/US-San-Francisco-Airliner-Crash/

 

[Elley Mae]

I asked my hubby this am, would you board a plane knowing that the guy behind the controls had 33 hours of flight time?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I asked my hubby this am, would you board a plane knowing that the guy behind the controls had 33 hours of flight time?

An aviation expert on CNN yesterday talked about the difficulty of landing in San Francisco. It sounded like the pilot should have had more hours of experience to land the Boeing 777 at that airport. Reports indicate that it was the pilot's first landing in SF

 

[Linda7NJ]

An aviation expert on CNN yesterday talked about the difficulty of landing in San Francisco. It sounded like the pilot should have had more hours of experience to land the Boeing 777 at that airport. Reports indicate that it was the pilot's first landing in SF

Gotta get experience and start from zero.

Yes, I would get on that plane... I like being ignorant of those sorts of things and focus more on the odds

 

[Steely Dan]

Gotta get experience and start from zero.

Yes, I would get on that plane... I like being ignorant of those sorts of things and focus more on the odds

He should have been a co-pilot with a pilot experienced in landing in SF. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

He should have been a co-pilot with a pilot experienced in landing in SF. JMO

I don't know anything about flying planes. I can't have an educated opinion. Dunno???

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-plane-crash-Crew-tried-to-abort-landing-4650990.php

SF plane crash: Crew tried to abort landing
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Demian Bulwa and Erin Allday
Updated 8:01 am, Monday, July 8, 2013


"Asiana Airlines officials ruled out engine trouble as the cause of the crash. The flight originated in Shanghai and stopped over in Seoul, and the company said most of the passengers were Chinese, Korean or U.S. citizens.

An Asiana spokeswoman, reached in Seoul, identified the chief pilot as Lee Jeong-min, who joined Asiana in 1996. She said Lee Kang-guk, who has been with the airline since 1994 and has logged more than 10,000 flying hours, was at the controls during the landing.

Saturday's flight was the ninth time Lee Kang-guk had flown a Boeing 777, and it was his first time landing that type of plane at SFO, said spokeswoman Hyomin Lee. She said that technically Lee Kang-guk was still training on the 777, but given his years of his experience, "training is an unsuitable word to describe him."

He had landed a Boeing 747, another large-capacity plane, at SFO "many, many times," she said. "He was very experienced."

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-plane-crash-Crew-tried-to-abort-landing-4650990.php

SF plane crash: Crew tried to abort landing
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Demian Bulwa and Erin Allday
Updated 8:01 am, Monday, July 8, 2013


"Asiana Airlines officials ruled out engine trouble as the cause of the crash. The flight originated in Shanghai and stopped over in Seoul, and the company said most of the passengers were Chinese, Korean or U.S. citizens.

An Asiana spokeswoman, reached in Seoul, identified the chief pilot as Lee Jeong-min, who joined Asiana in 1996. She said Lee Kang-guk, who has been with the airline since 1994 and has logged more than 10,000 flying hours, was at the controls during the landing.

Saturday's flight was the ninth time Lee Kang-guk had flown a Boeing 777, and it was his first time landing that type of plane at SFO, said spokeswoman Hyomin Lee. She said that technically Lee Kang-guk was still training on the 777, but given his years of his experience, "training is an unsuitable word to describe him."

He had landed a Boeing 747, another large-capacity plane, at SFO "many, many times," she said. "He was very experienced."

It makes sense that the crew tried to abort. From watching the video at one point he was straight then the nose came up. Too late, too slow but I think they did try to abort.

So it sounds like according to Korea the pilot was an experienced pilot, he had flown into SF before in a different plane. His firsts were flying into SF in this plane and flying this plane. Not quite as bad.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

He should have been a co-pilot with a pilot experienced in landing in SF. JMO

Some reports indicate that the pilot was "in training" on the Boeing 777 and that this was his first time landing this type of aircraft in San Francisco. The pilot apparently had landed other large carriers at the airport - but not the 777.

 

[mysteriew]

To the SF First Responders and their agency/org. Thank you for owning up to what happened. When an agency/org/corporation tries to hide mistakes it makes things worse.

This is a first responders nightmare. Their ideals, their hopes their everything says to save people. But when that pagers goes off or that call comes, the adrenaline starts pumping and their full attention goes to the reported incident. The fire, the accident or whatever. So their impulse is to rush to the scene. To get there, to get started saving lives. That adrenaline helps to keep them focused and also blinds themselves to their own danger. It is a great thing in an emergency situation.

Unfortunately it can blind them to other dangers. Like it did this time. I don't know what happened, I don't know what situation led to this girl being hit. But I do believe the driver didn't see her until it was too late.

I hope this will lead this department and other departments to teach their personnel about that adrenaline. About the good and the bad. About the need to control it. And about the proper approach to a scene.

 

[buffetoflies]

Newspaper article that I read earlier said this pilot had never landed the 777 before. That, for me, is the biggest wtf, because it's common sense to give it a few goes before having to land it when it's packed with people. This could have easily been avoided!

 

[danzn16]

CNN just had a news conference. Heres the info i got from it:

Lowest speed on approach was 103 knots. The goal speed for landing is 137 knots so they were well below speed.

The flight recorder showed that they did not have a too low approach but they want more time to confirm with other factors.

Also they said the inflatable slides deployed inside of the airplane and they are working to determine why that happened.

The two victims were both seated towards the rear of the plane. That is also where the most severe injuries have occurred.

There were four pilots on the plane. One is the one previously discussed that has had years of experience on the 747 but only 43 hours of experience on the 777. The pilot with him was a trainer but received his training license just one month ago. No news on the other 2 pilots. There were so many pilots because of the long trip length that they would alternate for relief. They are interviewing pilots today to determine who was flying at the time.

Autopsy report has still not been completed on the two victims.

Will have another press conference tomorrow.


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[danzn16]

He should have been a co-pilot with a pilot experienced in landing in SF. JMO

There were three other pilots. We do not know if he was the one landing the plane or not. The other was a trainer so surely he was well experienced. No news on the other twos experience levels


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[danzn16]

I can not remember all the speed levels at what seconds or but they were below target speed for an entire minute. Why would they keep dropping in speed? Does anyone know if the 747 requires slower speeds than the 777 and he could have gotten confused? Still no excuse since there were at least one other experiments pilot with him at the time and 2 other on reserve. If he was even the flying.

Also the presser said that autopilot had been shut off. Is this normal for landing or not? Anyone know?


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[danzn16]

To the SF First Responders and their agency/org. Thank you for owning up to what happened. When an agency/org/corporation tries to hide mistakes it makes things worse.

This is a first responders nightmare. Their ideals, their hopes their everything says to save people. But when that pagers goes off or that call comes, the adrenaline starts pumping and their full attention goes to the reported incident. The fire, the accident or whatever. So their impulse is to rush to the scene. To get there, to get started saving lives. That adrenaline helps to keep them focused and also blinds themselves to their own danger. It is a great thing in an emergency situation.

Unfortunately it can blind them to other dangers. Like it did this time. I don't know what happened, I don't know what situation led to this girl being hit. But I do believe the driver didn't see her until it was too late.

I hope this will lead this department and other departments to teach their personnel about that adrenaline. About the good and the bad. About the need to control it. And about the proper approach to a scene.

I read in a news article that she was under the inflatable slide on the left side of the plane. So she may not have been visible. Take that with a grain of salt until the NTSB and coroner confirm it IMO.


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[danzn16]

I asked my hubby this am, would you board a plane knowing that the guy behind the controls had 33 hours of flight time?

But ask him if you would get on a plane either a pilot that has been flying since 1996? Most people would say yes.


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