CA - Boeing 777 from S. Korea Crashes at San Francisco SFO

[Elley Mae]

http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/A320-200/777-300/

The differences in the two planes.

 

[Mahouston69]

Hubby is an A&P and pilot and said there were several factors that created this incident in his opinion. The pilot may be an "instrument guy" in his experience and the ILS at SFO was inoperable due to construction. At airport by the water that is always foggy this should be operable. period. But, it was clear and sunny and it was not necessary to rely on the airport warnings that are given by an ILS airport system. He would have been notified and using VFR before he got there. He still has a Vertical Speed Indicator and an altimeter.

Also, there is a Light Box that tells you what downward angle you are at. He made his approach too high, then he slowed the plane too much and got too low and it stalled. No air was under the wings when he tried to gun it and abort the landing. Physics raised the nose as he gave it gas and the tail naturally lowers, slamming it into the wall, and runway.

Also the approach is scary with crazy crosswinds because of the water. You have to finesse and have some decent experience with how those crosswinds affect your particular aircraft size and weight. Many planes of all sizes have had difficulty with this airport ultimately I (hubby) believes it will be ruled pilot inexperience.

 

[danzn16]

http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/A320-200/777-300/

The differences in the two planes.

Wasn't the other plane he flew a 747 not an airbus 320?


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[danzn16]

Photo of 747 vs 777


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[BetteDavisEyes]

Asiana flight attendants hailed as heroes

12 flight attendants were on Flight 214

Author: By Madison Park CNN

Published On: Jul 09 2013 05:27:55 AM EDT Updated On: Jul 09 2013 08:36:41 AM EDT

HONG KONG (CNN) -
Veteran flight attendant Lee Yoon Hye sensed something was awry as Flight 214 neared the San Francisco International Airport runway.

As the plane was supposed to land, it rose briefly as if it was trying to lift off again.

Lee had worked 18 years with Asiana Airlines and on Saturday, her skills were tested.

The plane slammed down with "great impact," said Lee, who sat in the front.

Then boom -- the plane hit again.

"It was even more than a hard landing," Lee, 40, said. The plane teetered left and right...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...roes/-/1719418/20894400/-/v77brq/-/index.html

 

[danzn16]

That is a major deal about those evacuation slides deploying inside of the plane. They had to pop them so the people stuck under them could breath?? WTH. So if this entire plane caught on fire faster than it did, those slides could have prevented a fast escape and cost more lives. Thank goodness that did not happen, but that is something that absolutely needs to work correctly!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

San Fran coroner reviews if vehicle ran over girl

LISA LEFF, AP
3 hours ago

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Amid the marvel of nearly all aboard Asiana Flight 214 surviving a crash landing, authorities here are investigating an unspeakable tragedy that may have unfolded during the frantic rescue — whether a teenage girl made it out of the plane only to be run over by a rescue vehicle.

Federal and local officials on Monday addressed the possibility that the Chinese girl, who along with a classmate comprised the crash's two fatalities, might have been killed accidentally on the runway as the first firefighters raced to the scene of a wrecked, smoking airliner.

"One of our fire apparatus may have come into contact with one of our two victims," Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White said during a news conference called to highlight the heroic efforts of first responders. "I assure you, we are looking closely at this"...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130709/US--San.Francisco.Airline.Crash-Victims/

 

[Elley Mae]

http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-says-pilot-crashed-plane-training-010133596.html


"He has a lot of experience and previously flown to San Francisco on different planes including the B747... and he was assisted by another pilot who has more experience with the 777," the spokeswoman said.

Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet.

Co-pilot Lee Jeong-min, who has 3,220 hours of flying experience with the Boeing 777 and a total of 12,387 hours of flying experience, was helping Lee Kang-kook in the landing, the spokeswoman said.

bbm

Lee had 9,700 hours of experience flying other jetliners—the Airbus A320 and the Boeing 737 and 747, Asiana said. The co-pilot had more than 3,000 hours on the 777, a twin-engine, wide-body jet, the airline said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100869943

 

[danzn16]

It sounds to me like there were very experienced pilots. Pilots that you would feel comfortable flying you to wherever you needed to go. Did the forward speed indicators tell them they were actually traveling faster than they really were? I just don't know how they could be below speed for so long and not know it. The NTSB spokeswoman said the flight data recorder showed that their decent was not too low, that is was just too slow from the rudimentary investigation done so far. 103 knots instead of around the goal of 137 knots.

 

[i.b.nora]

When the stewardess went to the cockpit to see if everyone was ok, (they were) she asked the pilot if she should begin the evacuation of the plane and he said, "no". - CNN

 

[Linda7NJ]

I can't imagine my child surviving an airplane crash, only to die being run over by a rescue vehicle. One of only two fatalities. talk about having a bad run of luck. Geesh

 

[Kaliste]

My local news broke into a live press conference with the NTSB a few moments ago. It's still on. Looks like CNN is carrying it as well. I can't link to a live feed from my phone, apologies.

 

[Kaliste]

The spokeswoman is

talking

very

very

slowwwwwly.

So I imagine it'll be going on for quite a while if anyone wants to check it out.

 

[danzn16]

Man I missed the press conference. CNN didn't send a phone alert so I didn't think about it. Anything new from it? Was the one fatality proven to be from the firetruck?


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[danzn16]

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2502979

Pilots and crew not drug tested after the crash


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[Blondie in Spokane]

Simulator shows how the flight should have landed vs what they believe happened....


http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.h...10/ac-boeing-flight-simulator-tuchman-pkg.cnn

 

[danzn16]

Simulator shows how the flight should have landed vs what they believe happened....


http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.h...10/ac-boeing-flight-simulator-tuchman-pkg.cnn

I was just coming here to post this. It shows how long they would have had to correct their situation. Why didn't they? It also shows how you can just have the plane land itself without you needing to. So....????? This landing with lights and speed is the same with the other jets that have been flown so why can three pilots with great experience not land this plane? Not happy that the Korean airline did not allow drug testing that is protocol in the US. What's going on here


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[mysteriew]

I picked up on CNN that the pilots have said they set the auto throttle for like 137 knots, which was what it should have been. But they came in significantly slower. So they are investigating if there was a problem with the auto throttle.

 

[i.b.nora]

Whatever is going on, I don't think the pilot at the controls should ever be allowed to fly a plane ever again.

And, I am inclined to think the same for the other pilots but will reserve opinion until we know more.

 

[danzn16]

You'd think you'd still check your airspeed even on auto throttle. They didn't try to pick up speed until 3 seconds before crashing. They knew much earlier than then that the plan was too low and had a throttle stick shack sign saying it was too slow also. There seems to be no excuse, I have no idea how they would mess up like this unless they weren't paying attention or alcohol?


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